Michael Parenti: Amy Goodman Altered DN Transcript

[Al Gomas]

Hey troll, (oops, I meant to say prol) do you think she is anti-semitic too? <p></p><i></i>

[dbeach]

the dems have given bush EVERY thing he wants and more.<br><br>they just voted for roberts and the new non-judge and please excuse me BUT where is the opposition party??<br><br>gatekeepers has its own thread..<br>Since I am not aboce criticism neither is any left or right shill<br><br>shutting down the arguement based on one word <br> defocuses from the pt of this thread which is that the critical piece of the interview was omitted..<br><br>Confronting the lies of bush is gonna include the dems that are in on it with bush and/or enablers of him.<br><br>there is no voice for me in either party and thats my opinion.<br><br>Freedom of speech is not yet oulawed BUT they are moving in that direction <p></p><i></i>

[FourthBase]

I tend to agree with those who see most of the leading leftists in the media as gatekeepers, even those beloved "heroes" like Goodman, who probably act as unconscious gatekeepers.<br><br>Yet...all this gatekeeper talk reminds me of Ghostbusters.<br>Are there likewise keymasters? <p></p><i></i>

[GDN01]

Prol - this is the second time you've started a thread on this very subject.<br><br>I will repeat what I wrote the first time.<br><br>First, where is the proof that this happened? We have this one person's account. Has anyone asked Amy Goodman if this did indeed happen, and if so why? Was it Amy, herself, or a producer who made the change?<br><br>And in my opinion, this is usually called "editing". I have been interviewed several times for news outlets. Frequently, things I said have been cut, and statements presented that I felt were taken out of context. In answers given to specific questions, sometimes the entire answer would not be quoted, changing the intended message. In interviews, there is no guarantee that I'm aware of, that everything you say will be used and produced. If Parenti had this agreement, it might change my view.<br><br>The statement that supposedly was cut from the interview seems hardly worth cutting. I have heard interviews conducted by Amy with people who disagree with her. Is there some reason why this statement would be "cut" that makes this so important? <p></p><i></i>

[proldic]

<br>"burn every last jew in the ovens"<br><br> Democracy Now 1/23/05 <p></p><i></i>

[professorpan]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"burn every last jew in the ovens"<br><br>Democracy Now 1/23/05<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Ummm. . . got reference? <p></p><i></i>

[AnnaLivia]

Yes, it chaps my chocolates to “defend” a guy who still owes me an apology, but calling Proldic a troll just means you don’t know the definition of troll. He is NOT that by any stretch of the imagination.<br><br>Ahem.<br><br>Quote: “…they removed that part from the transcript.”<br><br>What…by accident?<br><br>And then<br><br>Quote: “Amy Goodman does a tremendous service with her program.”<br><br>Oh yeah? Censorship is a tremendous service to WHO, exactly?<br><br>Sorry, no sale here. I don’t buy bankrupt ideas.<br><br>So, part of the truth kept away from the poor addled public, who couldn’t possibly be trusted with the whole truth. Heavens! Inform the masses fully? Nah, we’ll judge what they should hear, and we’ll judge according to what is good for our sponsors. (T. Jefferson spins in his grave!)<br><br>Fuck that shit. It’s why we’re in this artificially constructed nightmare...which, if it can't be reformed, has to be replaced. (i keep working to try to make the second option unnecessary, myself.) People gotta know who is helping hide the whole truth. Whether it’s accidental or on purpose, the result is the same. Anybody noticing the danger of what has resulted?<br><br>Has AnnaLivia had it up to here with apologists and fence-sitters? You’re goddam right she has. Anna forgives mistakes if they are acknowledged, as fast or faster than anyone. But she doesn’t forget unacknowledged attempts to control…to exercise power over others. AG knows she’s got power. i'll cut her some slack if i find out she didn't do the "editing" AND she publicly protested its being done.<br><br>yeah, see smedley butler. that's how it's done.<br><br>i've got no use for media players who help stop the right questions from being asked.<br><br>That left gatekeepers thread was the very first thread I ever started here. I had just found it, and asked for evidence that THAT site was gatekeeping or dis-information itself (and got none). Investigating the left gatekeepers issue is what made me leave another forum (when it became apparent it was a sin to question Michael Moore or Gloria Steinem or insist the truth of 9/11 be told or we were missing our greatest opportunity to expose the matrix), and it was then I found this place. the number one "unwritten" rule around here seemed to be NO censorship (at least until there's actual blood or flames involved), so i stayed.<br><br>This may sound counter-intuitive coming from someone who warns against extremes, but there’s a red pill, folks, and there’s a blue pill. If you want a purple one so you can stay in the middle and escape making the important discernments, big pharma is happy to provide.<br><br>Here’s a link that will take you to that chart again, since it keeps being mentioned:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://questionsquestions.net/topics/left_gatekeepers.html">questionsquestions.net/to...epers.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br><br>aside: Proldic, Amy’s gatekeeping was not news to me, and I apparently do not get my information from sources many others around here use. (thank goodness) But I do have a hero. I will just have to get mad at you if you’ve got any stinky lowdown on Howard Zinn, but you know I’ll thank you, too. Do you have anything I need to know about Howard? (crossing fingers the answer is no, but I’m braced for it and I’ll investigate it if you do.)<br><br>If I could get every American to read one book, it’d be Zinn’s “Declarations of Independence…Cross-Examining American Ideology”. I cannot name a better wake-up call for Americans. And it’s Americans who have to take the lead to fix this shit we’re in!<br><br>Shame on anyone who hasn’t, or doesn’t now, read it, yet calls themselves well-informed. Turn off amy goodman and read it…if you’re interested in democracy, now or later. If you can afford it, buy several copies and pass them around.<br><br>One more thing…if we’ve got “right-wingers” in here, how come none of them are taking me on in debate about cheap-labor economics? Is it because they don’t have one sound argument against what I have been presenting? i get the impression that VERY few are even reading it. I know it’s not an economics board, but every one of you lives your every second and takes your every breath immersed in commerce. Hello?<br> <p></p><i></i>

[Qutb]

Zinn: definitely a good guy, in my opinion. Reportedly very suspicious of 9/11, but he's coy about it in public. He probably feels he should have more evidence, which I can understand. He did sign the "9/11 Truth Statement" last year (but so did a lot of unsavoury people, too). <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:black;font-family:century gothic;font-size:x-small;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br></p><i></i>

[AnnaLivia]

yes, i sure as hell want the "burn every last jew in the ovens" comment explained. prol, can't you see how you invite the negative comments?! yr not being cryptic, yr being unclear. sheesh! <p></p><i></i>

[rapt]

Mebbe no responses AnnaL because so far no one has felt the need; I mean you are advocating a fundamental change here, which is lets face it, unlikely to happen, so why get all worked up defending a system that is so comfortably settled?<br><br>I agree in principle with your argument, to the extent that I understand it, but I work with what I have, not with what I wish I had. It must be quite scary for most of us to look squarely in the eye of a distorted (unfair) system like ours and contemplate yanking out all the stops to rebuild it. Most of us see that as an impossible job, and too scary, like I said.<br><br>I am a small manufacturer who has to compete, keep cost down etc., but stil a large part of the margin goes to keep the employees happy. And you want more? Of course you do, as does everyone. <p></p><i></i>

[robertdreed]

<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The statement that supposedly was cut from the interview seems hardly worth cutting.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Bullseye.<br><br>I've heard much more provocative comments aired on <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Democracy Now</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> than Michael Parenti's assertion that the Bush Brain Trust knew exactly what they were doing when they invaded Iraq like a herd of bulls in a china shop. <br><br>That's a statement with which I'm inclined to concur, in fact. At minimum, they didn't give a shit about how to go about the invasion, because their primary goal was to accomplish the simple swinging of the wrecking ball, asap, before anyone could block their moves. <br><br>Notwithstanding my view that Parenti's position is a legitimate surmise, one that fits the data much more than "incompetence"- yet and still, his highlighting the significance of the supposed editing cut by DN is all too reminiscent of the infamous Captain Queeg's ravings about the Great Strawberry Theft. (hoping folks can catch that reference)<br><br>I think Parenti needs to cool his jets. Or if he has a beef with Amy Goodman, he needs to find a more substantial point of contention.<br><br>Once again, the pattern re-emerges: someone on the Left making an issue of who has the REAL take on "serving the people"- and upon close examination, the claim resides in the Idiopathic Realm. An Individual Ego Trip. An Individual With a Chip On Their Shoulder, engaging in an Internecine Battle for Ideological Turf against an Adversary identified from within from their own ideological affiliation, excoriated as being In League With The Enemy. <br><br>I don't get it. I don't even have a partisan stake in the fight. Even more crazily, I've encountered contributions by both of the Contestants that I've found to contain authentic journalistic insight, on more than one occasion. <br><br>Maybe I should just go out and get some popcorn and a paper cup of beer. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 10/5/05 6:22 pm<br></i>

[AnnaLivia]

Rapt…I am extremely heart heavy tonight…over the flu thing…the perfect crime…perfect method…headlines will read man vs. nature instead of man vs. man…universally acceptable…and so I weep…and wonder when…sooner? …later?<br><br>But short answers for you in thanks for responding… I bother because I want to survive and be happy, and do not think it undoable at all. I bother because I cannot NOT bother. What I stare in the face is far scarier than the thought of major change.<br><br>And, the small businessman IS Joe Workingman in my book! (I hate to break it to anybody with a million, but they are not rich. We’re talking about billionaires and trillionaires, when I say rich. Google “the L curve”) for instance, why should you as a business owner have to pay for your employees expensive healthcare?? There is zero reason not to have universal healthcare! I bet you could hire a person or two if we finally woke up to the fact that for-profit private vehicles are no way to deliver healthcare. For what we spend now, everyone could be covered! Sigh…there are a million good choices once we ask the right questions about the failed choices we have made.<br><br>You’d be so much better off under the global happiness plan than you can imagine!<br> <p></p><i></i>

[Project Willow]

I thought Amy Goodman was Jewish, I believe I've heard her speak about her family heritage before and the line of strong women from which she came.<br><br>I met her once when she was in town, I handed her a copy of Carol Rutz's book and a letter I'd written saying that I too had been tortured and experimented on as a child. I never heard a word from her. There could be several reasons for her non-response, including the standard "just another crazy person handing me a book." The topic is difficult for anyone, but it was disappointing. <br><br>We've covered this ground before. I'll speak for myself, but the actions of gatekeepers on the left feel more like betrayal. I would expect to be ignored by a repug, and quite a few liberals and mainstreamers, but when you sell yourself as someone who "speaks truth to power" and fail to even acknowledge many atrocities, then it hurts a bit more. <br><br>Zinn, I do appreciate that man. I saw him speak once, it was like listening to a very wise, compassionate, and humble grandfather.<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=projectwillow@rigorousintuition>Project Willow</A> at: 10/5/05 9:48 pm<br></i>

[maggrwaggr]

But I have to say I would trust Amy Goodman over any of the people on this board, with perhaps the exception of Jeff.<br><br>Amy Goodman works her ass off, and I can't remember a time when she's ever seriously identified herself with the Democratic party. She seems more interested in just getting the truth out regardless of political affiliations. <p></p><i></i>

[Al Gomas]

If Amy is a "gatekeeper", she is not very good at her job. I have learned more about the sorry-ass state of the world from her show than any other media. She consistently turns us on to radical truth tellers that we would not be exposed to in the corporate media.<br>She proved herself in East Timor, putting her life on the line to bear witness to the news. When the neowhip comes down she will be one of the first to be silenced. Personally, I think of her as my own "canary in the coal mine", when she goes, I go. If fact, I have already begun to arrange my exile to a more sane society. By this time next year I will be ready at a moments notice to say AMF.<br><br>I called prol a troll because I percieve him to have a glaring agenda. He is always ready to defend Sharon's agents (AKA, neocons) by crying anti-semitism. If he has a blind spot like that, his judgement on other topics must also be suspect. This is why I mostly ignore his posts.<br>Please correct me if I am off base here, after all I am a newbie. Maybe he is being sarcastic in his pro Israel stance and I don't have the requisite sense of humor to get it.<br><br>I also think the Police State is more advanced than we know. After being exposed to a bio-weapon attack in DC a few days ago, I trust no one any more. I see a snitch or a spy behind every bush (so to speak) now. <br>If I could leave tomorrow, I would. <p></p><i></i>