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Re: RI Representing in Crawford!

Postby Sweejak » Tue Aug 09, 2005 11:31 am

My sign?<br><br> Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war.<br>-- Donald Rumsfeld<br><br>or maybe:<br> <br>"People are fungible"- Rumsfeld<br><br>Looks like big storms up there this morning. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: RI Representing in Crawford!

Postby heath7 » Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:45 pm

Cindy's all over the news again today!<br><br>This is an awesome oppurtunity.<br><br>Even The <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2005/08/09/mr_bush_lets_talk/?rss_id=Boston+Globe+--+Editorial%2FOp-ed+pages" target="top">Boston Globe</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> has a nice call-to-action quote:<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Driven by personal grief, Sheehan does not accept the commonly accepted boundaries between the people and the person who occupies the Oval Office. With nothing to lose since she lost her son, she is barging into personal presidential space and posing rude questions.<br><br>How long before more Americans join her and the clamor invades the Bush castle -- and that other castle known as Congress?</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: RI Representing in Crawford!

Postby heath7 » Tue Aug 09, 2005 1:48 pm

maryk, you've written that you're located somewhere in Sonora right? <br><br>Do you happen to be anywhere near Phoenix?<br><br>Wanna carpool to Texas?<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START ;) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: RI Representing in Crawford!

Postby ZeroHaven » Tue Aug 09, 2005 2:56 pm

oh boy, I can't exactly hop on a plane just yet. Best of luck to you guys.. and look out for those "anarchists in black".<br>they start wreaking havoc, you grab em for me! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>for everybody who wants to do something in the US but can't make it, I recommend <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.freewayblogger.com/" target="top">freeway blogging</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> again.<br>any message you feel is important will do! <p><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a239/ZeroHaven/tinhat.gif"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--></p><i></i>
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Re: RI Representing in Crawford!

Postby GDN01 » Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:57 pm

For those wanting to track this story, <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.iconoclast-texas.com/News/2005/31-40/32news09.htm">the local Crawford newspaper</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> has set up "Cindy Watch", with frequent updates.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: RI Representing in Crawford!

Postby heath7 » Tue Aug 09, 2005 3:58 pm

The reason the money-grubbers hold sway right now is because they act.<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The aide (a senior adviser to President Bush) said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. 'That's not the way the world really works anymore,' he continued. 'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors ... and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do." -- Ron Suskind, New York Times Magazine, Oct. 17, 2004.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <br><br>We must be judicious, but we must also act.<br>Its not so difficult as we're made to believe. I'm broke, too. I have kids too. But eventually we are going to have to get around that. I know that if I put my mind to it that I could get my ass to Crawford with no ill consequences, and I know everybody else could too. Criminy, we're Americans! If we don't have the wherewithal to get cracking, then who does?<br><br>If not now, when?<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>What do we want?<br><br>Peace!<br><br>When do we want it?<br><br>Now!!!</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>...I still maintain that this is an unbelievably awesome oppurtunity, and that sacrifice <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>will</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> be rewarded if people would simply mass together<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Are there any veteran DUers in here that could get passionate about this at DU, or any other forums? I'm not going to go rant and rave as a newbie at DU, especially after successfully avoiding becoming a member all this time. <p></p><i></i>
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The Tao of Cindy

Postby Dreams End » Tue Aug 09, 2005 4:25 pm

It's quite an interesting lesson. No amount of planning could possibly have produced as much energy and attention as this action is generating. The action was small but at just the right place and just the right time. Minimal effort, maximum impact. they look for the big stuff...they never expected this! Go Cindy, GO! <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Tao of Cindy

Postby marykmusic » Tue Aug 09, 2005 7:40 pm

It's beautiful. Like guerrilla warfare, when ya can't out gun 'em, ya hafta out-think 'em. Small but creative efforts can overcome the if-it-doesn't-work-do-it-again-bigger attitude.<br><br>Sorry, Heath, I can't drop everything and zip off to Texas. We're in the middle of moving up to the Verde. (Be jealous.) --MaryK <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Tao of Cindy

Postby Sweejak » Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:11 am

Via Crawford Peace House:<br><br>Bed & Breakfast and Campgrounds. Many Motels can be found in Waco the nearest larger city. <br><br>Motels: Waco<br>Rates vary depending on if there is a Baylor game or special event. There are many motels along I-35 near Baylor but they are very expensive. Below are the less expensive ($39-$59 a night)places to stay.<br>        •        Budget Inn, 1700 Jack Kultgen Freeway?(254) 756-7461?<br>        •        Motel 6 3120 Jack Kultgen Freeway?(254) 662-4622?<br>        •        Super 8 1320 S. Jack Kultgen Freeway?(254) 754-1023?<br>        •        Victorian Inn 720 MLK Blvd.?752-3388?<br>        •        Knights Inn 1510 E I-35?(254) 799-0274?<br>        •        Super 8 1320 S. Jack Kultgen Freeway?(254) 754-1023?<br>More expensive but near Hyway 6 which is en route to Crawford<br>        •        Best Western 6624 W Hyway 84?(254) 776-3194?<br>        •        Fairfield Inn 5805 Woodway Drive?(254)776-7821?<br>Bed & Breakfast<<br>        •        Prairie Chapel B&B?3144 Wolf Lane, Crwaford?(254) 934-2489??<br>        •        The Lighthouse?421 S. Harrison, McGregor?(about 10 minutes from Crawford)?(254) 709-1126?<br>        •        The Cotton Palace?1910 Austin Ave., Waco?(254) 753-7294?<br>Campgrounds<br>        •        Tonkawa Park, Hyway 185 Crawford?$10.00 a night, $22.00 with hookups?Call City Hall, Crawford (254) 486-2125 for more info.?<br><br>======== also<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://bagnewsnotes.typepad.com/bagnews/2005/08/nobody_here_but.html">bagnewsnotes.typepad.com/...e_but.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>========<br>In spite of some misgivings about this being overrun with press (wouldn't it be worse with no press) and everyone's agenda I'm still planning on going. I'm not a Democrat, not a Republican and would resent being herded into those categories and I am aware of the likelihood of this ultimately being a game, as Jeff has pointed out:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/07/great-race-and-marathon-of-hope.html">rigorousintuition.blogspo...-hope.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>It's difficult to watch the perpetual dashing of hope in America amongst those who still think politics matters, and that political action is sufficient to reverse America's fascist course. To them, it remains a race. C'mon gang - we can win this thing! But their opponent is more than a competitor: he is also the track official, and what a bloody-minded bastard he is. He has neither conscience nor fear of reprisal for tripping them up, tying together their shoelaces and moving the finish line. If he's seen to be running, it's simply to be seen. And so he's not even a true competitor, because there is no competition.<br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>But, it might be helpful to recall that Martin Luther started something rather big when he nailed up his 95 bullet points on the church door. The time was right of course, but, arguments could be made that the Reformation didn't turn out all that well either. The same argument could be made of the Declaration of Independence. <br><br>Short of the mythic and much discussed global evolutionary event about to propel us into another dimension (something I am all for) this is how it's done on Earth. <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Tao of Cindy

Postby GDN01 » Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:27 am

I'm going, too. Looks like it will be early Thursday a.m. when I get to leave. But I need to go.<br><br>There is a book called Feminist Ethic of Risk, by Sharon Welch. She writes about how the patriarchal focus on being the "winner" is damaging to social action. It creates the mindset of "there's no point in protesting, (or marching, or doing anything) because we probably won't succeed in bringing about the desired change." This is seen in how our govt. has had the policy for sometime that it won't enter a war it is not guaranteed to win. <br><br>Protesting an injustice is not about "winning". It's not about changing the other people, or the other side. It's about doing what is right. It's about being able to get up in the morning and look in the mirror and know you've done what you can do. It's about not quietly co-existing with a wrong. <br><br>And Welch suggests that each act of protest lays the groundwork for the next one. The ultimate goal may not be reached, this time. But it will start the conversation in a different place the next time. If Ghandi had not led his people on the Salt Walk, the March to Selma may never have taken place. <br><br>If we don't do something NOW - our children may not have the courage to stand on the road and demand the truth, when their time to stand has come. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Tao of Cindy

Postby Sweejak » Wed Aug 10, 2005 1:38 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Protesting an injustice is not about "winning". It's not about changing the other people, or the other side. It's about doing what is right. It's about being able to get up in the morning and look in the mirror and know you've done what you can do. It's about not quietly co-existing with a wrong. <br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I was trying to figure our how to say something like that. I was going to say that this event is going to be determined by your expectations.... but then I thought about getting billy clubbed and somehow it didn't seem to make sense... but it does. It does. <p></p><i></i>
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un-rigging the game

Postby robertdreed » Wed Aug 10, 2005 2:19 am

"But their opponent is more than a competitor: he is also the track official, and what a bloody-minded bastard he is. He has neither conscience nor fear of reprisal for tripping them up, tying together their shoelaces and moving the finish line. If he's seen to be running, it's simply to be seen. And so he's not even a true competitor, because there is no competition."<br><br>That's only true in some realms, for some purposes. That leaves many other realms where they're vulnerable. <br><br><br>The trick is to not allow them to continually define the game, and to choose the playing field, in the first place. <br><br>As for those times one has to contend in one of the Neocon/Bushco games, I'm increasingly of the mind that a course in Military Strategy and Tactics would help "liberal" and "Left" political activists immeasurably. <br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 8/10/05 12:22 am<br></i>
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Re: un-rigging the game

Postby Sweejak » Wed Aug 10, 2005 3:17 am

I never studied tactics, other than a little chess.<br><br>You know something occurred to me, tactically, when I was at the NYC/RNC demos and that was the fact that "we" had them surrounded. No one seemed to really appreciate that. Aside from that there were instant messaging events and very fluid and spontaneous developments. <br><br>Some shots online here<br> <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://homepage.mac.com/kaaawa/iblog/C2128262602/E234122605/index.html">homepage.mac.com/kaaawa/i...index.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Strategically all I can think of is a general global strike. <p></p><i></i>
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Cindy's Words

Postby GDN01 » Wed Aug 10, 2005 5:13 am

<!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/10/13342/3953">From DKos</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The Peaceful Occupation of Iraq<br>by CindySheehan<br>Tue Aug 9th, 2005 at 22:33:42 PDT<br><br>Day 4<br>Today started at 4am when I had to get up and get ready to be on Good Morning America. It was pouring down rain at Camp Casey. The wind was blowing and there was thunder and lightening. It was pretty exciting. The interview went very well. I haven't seen it or read a transcript. Since it was taped, I am just wondering if they showed it when I said Bush doesn't want to see me because he likes to surround himself with "sycophants." I also interviewed with Randi Rhodes, Ed Schultz, Greta Van Susteran, and many others, and closed out the day with my pal, Mike Malloy.<br><br>The "first meeting" controversy died down a little today when my town's newspaper printed an op-ed that contradicted Matt Drudge's cherry-picked account of my first meeting with George.<br><br>But since they don't have that controversy, they apparently have been lying about other things. Bill O'Reilly said that I am doing this because I have been bought out by, "The Arab Anti-Discrimination League." He was telling his viewers that I am a tool for the liberals and that I am a tool for the anti-war movement. Right now, what we are doing right here in Crawford is the anti-war movement. We have such a strong coalition of groups. GSFP, Code Pink, Veterans for Peace, Military Families Speak Out and the Crawford Peace House.<br><br>I talked with John Conyers today and he wrote a letter to George signed by about 18 other Congress members to request that he meet with me. I also talked to Maxine Waters tonight and she is probably going to be here tomorrow. I am so overwhelmed by the support.<br><br>I did non-stop interviews today. 100 people came through today to visit with us. About 25 people are staying the night. More food, water, flowers, and money came through today. One father brought his 2 and 4 year old sons out to meet me and thank me for trying to save his boys from the same fate Casey suffered.<br><br>Celeste and Dante Zappala from Philadelphia and Bill Mitchell from Atascadero, Ca., all members of GSFP, came out today to support me and help me do interviews and greet all of the people who are arriving.<br><br>There is a huge action tomorrow in Aurora, Il. George Bush is leaving the ranch tomorrow to go to Aurora, Il to sign a part of the energy bill at the Caterpillar factory. True Majority has raised money to dog George Bush when he leaves the ranch. Every time he leaves, there will be a GSFP member, MFSO members, VFP members, and Code Pink members who will protest him and say "Meet with Cindy." We will not let him have a 5 week nice vacation when there are millions of people in harm's way in Iraq due to his careless policies. The people of Iraq and our soldiers are suffering. Why should George have a nice vacation?<br><br>Thank you for all your support and interest.<br><br>We are making a difference.<br><br>Keep up the good work.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>She's right - This IS the anti-war movement. And it's not going away. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: act - ivism

Postby thrulookingglass » Wed Aug 10, 2005 11:46 am

Y'all are overwhelming! My deepest and most sincere congratulations to those who are/have made an effort to support Cindy Sheehan! They don't own the track, we gave it to them, by our own inaction. Yes, their assumed power is an immense barrier to overcome. Sometimes a small hole can be the catalyst to the deluge that follows the breaking damn. Just thought I'd post this to let people here know...<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.unitedforpeace.org/article.php?list=type&type=91">www.unitedforpeace.org/ar...pe&type=91</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>Don't let them assume power. You have a voice. <p></p><i></i>
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