Bush slaps down top general after he calls for troops

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Bush slaps down top general after he calls for troops

Postby emad » Sun Aug 14, 2005 12:35 pm

Bush slaps down top general after he calls for troops to be pulled out of Iraq<br>By Philip Sherwell in Washington<br>(Filed: 14/08/2005)<br><br>The top American commander in Iraq has been privately rebuked by the Bush administration for openly discussing plans to reduce troop levels there next year, The Sunday Telegraph has learned.<br><br>President George W Bush personally intervened last week to play down as "speculation" all talk of troop pull-outs because he fears that even discussing options for an "exit strategy" implies weakening resolve.<br><br> <br>General George Casey <br>Gen George Casey, the US ground commander in Iraq, was given his dressing-down after he briefed that troop levels - now 138,000 - could be reduced by 30,000 in the early months of next year as Iraqi security forces take on a greater role.<br><br>The unusual sign of US discord came as Iraqi politicians and clerics drafting a new constitution continued their own wrangling over autonomy demands by various factions.<br><br>Jalal Talabani, the Iraqi president and a Kurd, predicted that a draft of the new constitution should be ready today, 24 hours ahead of Monday's deadline, but other delegates were less optimistic. <br><br>"If God is willing, tomorrow it will be ready," Mr Talabani told a news conference in Baghdad yesterday, but admitted that two significant issues remained unresolved: the question of federalism in the south, and the relation between religion and state. <br><br>Shia Muslims, who lead Iraq's interim coalition government, are pushing for a clause saying that all laws passed by parliament must be compatible with Islam - a proposal most other participants oppose.<br><br>Meanwhile, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, al-Qaeda's leader in Iraq, threatened to kill any imam who backs the constitution, according to a statement posted on the internet yesterday but whose origin could not be independently verified. <br><br> <br>Cindy Sheehan protesting outside Mr Bush's ranch <br>Mr Bush is expected to place phone calls to some of the senior Iraqi negotiators in Baghdad if the deadlock remains. Last week as he came under renewed pressure from anti-war protesters to pull out, he dismissed any prospect of an immediate troop withdrawal. Mr Bush was responding to calls by Cindy Sheehan, the mother of a soldier killed in Iraq who has set up a protest camp outside his ranch in Crawford, Texas, where Mr Bush is on holiday.<br><br>Politically, the administration will be under pressure to signal a significant cut in the US presence by autumn next year to help Republicans fighting mid-term elections in November 2006. Military commanders, however, also need to wind down numbers, the imperative that prompted Gen Casey's comments, according to Dan Goure, a Pentagon adviser and vice-president of the Lexington Institute defence think-tank.<br><br>"It's number-driven," Mr Goure said. "The military can only maintain these levels in Iraq if it has absolutely no choice. Otherwise, the current pattern of rotations and other commitments mean that they will have to lower numbers."<br><br>There will, in any case, be a short-term increase in US troop levels to cover the Iraq elections scheduled for December. After that, said Mr Goure, the military has drawn up three broad strategies for cutting troops.<br><br>Their "best scenario" target is to reduce numbers to 60,000-70,000 by next autumn if Iraqi forces start to make progress against the insurgents. The fall-back option would be Gen Casey's minimum 30,000 reduction by the summer. <br><br>There is also a rarely-mentioned "Plan C" - complete withdrawal if all-out civil war erupts between the Shias and Sunnis, both of whom are engaged in a last-ditch battle for political territory in the current negotiations. <br><br>The Kurds and Shia Arabs want strong regional governments to be created in their northern and southern strongholds. But the minority Sunni Arabs, who dominated the country under Saddam Hussein, fear that they will be left with the central dust-bowl.<br><br>Sunni religious leaders, who led the boycott of January's elections, are now calling for their followers to register to vote in case they decide to oppose the constitution's federalism clauses in October's referendum.<br><br>The constitution will be considered void if it is rejected by two-thirds of voters in three provinces. Sunnis form a majority in four provinces.<br><br>A chemicals production plant thought to have been built by insurgents was found by US forces last week in a raid near the northern Iraqi city of Mosul. <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/08/14/wirq14.xml&sSheet=/portal/2005/08/14/ixportal.html">www.telegraph.co.uk/news/...ortal.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Bush slaps down top general after he calls for troops

Postby dbeach » Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:33 pm

more speaking out against the TREASON.. the more awakeings<br><br>gives some lil credence to the Generals coup story<br><br>ALL is connected IMHO<br><br>Bush maybe the worst personage in the history of CREATION..One spolied brat who has to have his way and NUKE the planet...cheney may be more diablical BUT bush is more reckless<br><br>using FEAR to steal your money and hostaging the planet to a possible WW III nuclear war if he don't get his way..his way of course being the ruling elites way.<br><br>When will the top dogs and is that ever a kind word who own most of the planet realize that bush in the end will turn the guns on them?? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Bush slaps down top general after he calls for troops

Postby robertdreed » Sun Aug 14, 2005 10:57 pm

<br> <br><br><br>British Lt-Gen. Frederick Browning, advising Gen. Montgomery against his strategy for Operation Market Garden:<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"But, sir, I think we might be going a bridge too far."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <br> <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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bridge too far

Postby rapt » Sun Aug 14, 2005 11:58 pm

That is a good point Rdreed, but it applies to a standard war. What is that? Well at least for the last hundred years it has been a scam, all these wars have. So the art of war, including the decision on whether to take that last bridge, has been a subscam, something unnecessary except insofar as it is required to support the scam - a true farce, deadly tho it may be.<br><br>I can discuss this in more detail but I think you get the point, that wars, and the mental games that go with them, are created only to generate wealth for the elite while preoccupying the masses and keeping them in line. Look at the Boy Scouts. <p></p><i></i>
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Operation Market Garden

Postby robertdreed » Mon Aug 15, 2005 3:19 am

The "bridge too far" quote has long since passed into general usage as a metaphor, but the theme of your other comments jogged my mind and led me to recall this piece of writing by David Guyatt, on Operation Market Garden, which relates Guyatts conjecture that Market Garden was intentionally sabotaged in order to buy time for wealthy pro-Nazi Germans to smuggle their hoards out of Germany before the Allied forces advanced too rapidly. <p></p><i></i>
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