Shots Fired Near Camp Casey

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Shots Fired Near Camp Casey

Postby GDN01 » Sun Aug 14, 2005 11:00 pm

Both nights while I was at Camp Casey, we heard gunfire from across the field to the northwest of the camp. I heard the gunfire myself the first night - a few pops, and that was it. It caught our attention, but after nothing more happened, we put it out of our minds. The second night, I was on security patrol for the 12-3 a.m. shift, and a sheriff car drove into the camp. I approached him with another security person, and we were told that a report had been phoned in of gunfire. After asking around at the camp, we confirmed that, yes, gunfire had been heard again. It was identified by several as a 22 automatic being fired. The sheriff said he had been told it was automatic gunfire, also. The sheriff went on to tell us the Secret Service had been the ones to phone in the report. The SS and the sheriff searched the area and could not find the person responsible.<br>With this being the second night of hearing gunshots nearby, many campers were nervous. Thankfully, the rest of the night passed quietly.<br><br>Then this morning, a man who lives across the street from the protest site, drove to the edge of his property and fired several shots from his rifle into the air. No one panicked, but it caused a flurry of activity. Here is the report from <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://198.65.14.85/News/2005/31-40/32news2.htm">the Lonestar Iconoclast</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->:<br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><br> As I walked to my car to call the office with an update, I heard a popping sound. When I turned around, I saw a man with a shotgun aimed upward. He looked over his shoulder and then back and fired more shots. Even though I was only about 20 feet from him, it took seeing him with the gun to realize what I was hearing. He put the gun into the cab of the pickup and walked back to his house without saying anything.<br><br>He fired the gun from inside his fenceline—well within his property; his name is Larry Mattlage—which is across to the east of Camp Casey. He did not fire anywhere but into the sky, away from the camp.<br>I walked over to the fenceline to take a shot of the pickup with the Keystone Light box and the American flag in the back and saw him coming back out. He came to the truck again, took out a sign, and walked to the fence where I was standing. As he hung a “No Parking” sign on his fence, he said:<br><br>“We’re gonna’ start doing our war, but we’re gonna’ do it underneath the law, or whatever it takes. So you all go find you another place to do whatever you’re gonna’ do, because this is our front yard and back yard.”<br><br>I asked him, “When you say you all, do you mean the protestors?”<br><br>He answered, “I’m talking this whole damn country is neighbors and friends and this is our country. And if this group says that they are so much in Jesus and neighbors' rights and all that they pretend to be, why don’t they show it. You gotta’ live it. You gotta’ live Jesus Christ. And this is not Jesus Christ . . .<br><br>Another reporter walked up and asked, “Are you Mr. Mattlage?”<br><br>“I sure as hell am,” he answered. “Well, I want to get on the Letterman Show. I want to get on Jay Leno. This is a joke out here. You done your right and I believe in ??. This ain’t about Democrats and this ain’t about Republicans. This is about my rights and these people’s rights as American citizens who live here. You done your deal. You done your show. Now move on. I’m asking that as an American citizen and a taxpaying citizen, because I pay taxes to the middle of this road, and I mow it, and I keep it clean, and all I got now is trespassers. If that ain’t right, it ain’t right, but I want the whole world to know what they’ve done. They started out doing right and now they are doing wrong. When they first got here, I understood their cause and I appreciate it. I don’t like the war no more than anybody else, but right here we got war . . right on my front yard. Everybody here is sick of it. If everybody will leave now, everybody will go home a winner. Then the president can enjoy his vacation like everybody else and these farmers and ranchers can go check their cattle without having to go through a campsite.”<br><br>Deborah: Are any of them prevented from getting to their cattle now?<br><br>Mr. Mattlage: Ma’am, who wants to wade through all these people walking around there. What this is a war of porta-potties and the one with the most porta-potties is gonna’ win and you know who that is don’t you. You all got started out going to the bathroom in a five gallon bucket. Now, I see three porta-potties. How many more porta-potties are we going to have to put up with? Now, George Bush has more porta-potties than you all, so if I was a bettin’ man, I’d say he’s gonna win. So let’s don’t make this a little more ridiculous than it is now. Everybody go back a winner. You’ve made your point. I’m proud of you. God bless all of you.<br><br>Reporter: Did you fire a shotgun?<br><br>Mr. Mattlage: Yes I did! I got a right to fire up in the air. I am getting ready for dove season and you all are messing up my dove huntin’, so if you all could please leave and go somewhere else, this whole community would be behind you.<br><br>Reporter: How many acres do you have?<br><br>Mr. Mattlage: It don’t make any difference. That don’t have nothing to do with it. I pay taxes to the middle of this road and that person over there (he said as he pointed across the road to the opposite side) pays taxes to the middle of that road.<br><br>Reporter: So this is your land right here?<br><br>Mr. Mattlage: This is my land right here. We’ve been here for 125 years, okay. And this group ain’t running us out. Our family’s fought in wars, drought—grew up without any water—we’re pretty tough folks. We will survive this. This group is like Frosty the Snowman here. It’s gonna’ melt and they’ll be back another day. We are just waiting for Frosty to melt. We’ve got one group over here that’s not gonna’ give up and we’ve got one group over here won’t give up and we right here in the middle. Do you understand? This ain’t New York and it ain’t California and it ain’t Washington. I’m not political. I’m just a taxpaying citizen that wants my rights. That’s all I got to say. Thank you. And I will be back here all night long and I’ll be shootin’ at doves in the air, so anybody that camps here better get ready for some gunfire. If we don’t hit anything, I want every redneck in Texas to come on my property and this property here and we gonna’ really have a show. Thank You.<br><br>— Mr. Mattlage turned and walked back in the direction of his house. Both Secret Service Police and McLennan County Sheriff’s showed up to talk with Mr. Mattlage. The men went into his gate and they spoke together for a few minutes. Mr. Mattlage then turned and walked back in the direction of the media waiting at his gate.<br><br>Mr. Mattlage: What we have here is we got the Secret Service here and the Sheriff. The Secret Service has got all the power, but they don’t have any rights to get rid of this stuff. The Sheriff’s department has got the law which means, they said that we have no rights because they can’t stop this. So we’ve got two law enforcement agencies and all these helicopters up here and none of them can do nothing and will do nothing.<br><br>Reporter: Larry, why did you shoot the gun?<br><br>Mr. Mattlage: Well, I’m getting ready for dove season and you all are still gonna’ be here, I’m practicin’.<br><br>Reporter: Was there another message involved in the gunshot?<br><br>Mr. Mattlage: You figure it out for yourself.<br><br>Reporter: Are there any laws . . .<br><br>Mr. Mattlage: No, in Texas, you can shoot . . I ain’t threating nobody. I ain’t pointing a gun at nobody. This is Texas.<br><br>Reporter: What do you want them to do Larry?<br><br>Mr. Mattlage: Well these people don’t know what to do (pointing at the sheriff and the Secret Service)<br><br><br>Reporter: What do you want them to do?<br><br>Mr. Mattlage: When they first came out here, I was sympathetic to their cause, right. They as American citizens have a right to march to protest. It is like this—it’s like having company, if you have your brother-in-law at your house for five days, wouldn’t it start stinking after a while. You are ready for him to go home, aren’t you? Five weeks of this is too much. We live here. It’s our community. Apparently we have no respect over here and we have no respect over here. Somebody has got to get together and clear it out. It’s a damn shame. The news media has got to solve this dilemma. But we got a dilemma here. We got a battle of the porta-potties. You all got started out going to the bathroom in a five gallon bucket. Then they moved one porta-pottie in here. No we got two porta-potties. And now we have three and if this keeps up, it will be all the way down the road. And they’ve got more porta-potties over there (pointing at the Bush ranch). The only one winning here is the one cleaning the porta-potties.<br><br>Reporter: Now, what are they doing that you don’t like?<br><br>Mr. Mattlage: Sir, this community is a tight-knit community. This is a German community of farmers and ranchers who settled this land 145 years ago. We have fought a lot of battles with drought and everything else. This is a tough group of people and they want to just mind their own business. There is nobody said nothing here right now, because they’re not that away.<br><br>Reporter: How has your life changed since your new neighbors . .<br><br>Mr. Mattlage: Well you can answer that question yourself man. You’re standing right there watching it. That’s changing my life. Where are you from? Do you want somebody to put this in your back yard? Huh? Or your front yard. This is our yard right here. We just happen in Texas to have a bigger yard than they do in Maryland.<br><br>Reporter: They said that they would leave in the president came and spoke with Cindy, do you support . . .<br><br>Mr. Mattlage: Sir, I’ve lived here for six years since the president have moved here, okay. I don’t even know him and he’s my neighbor. I love him as a neighbor. I don’t care what he does, that ain’t my business. I ain’t a politician. All I know is that when he gets done with the presidency, he is our neighbor and all of you all and all of this protest is out of here. The Good Book says you love your neighbor so I love George Bush. He will be our neighbor as long as we’re here then he becomes a part of our community.<br><br>Reporter: What do you say to the fact that these people are just temporary neighbors? Would you love them just the same?<br><br>Mr. Mattlage: I loved them for a week. I mean, would you want somebody invading your house for a long time and blocking your view and blocking the road? I wake up every morning to this stuff. I go to bed every night and got a campground down here on a public road that I’m taxed to the middle of this road. The sheriff’s people down there says that I don’t have no rights, but I am paying taxes. The man over there is paying taxes to here. This is how it is in Texas. So, actually, I can’t prosecute nobody for trespassing and the sheriff knows it so he’s allowed them to park on my property—my own damn sheriff—allowing them to park on my property.<br><br>Reporter: Well, what do you want him to do?<br><br>Mr. Mattlage: It’s all about respect. Where has common courtesy gone in America? Somewhere, you supposed to respect people. I respect them and I respect George Bush. I can’t do nothing about the world situation, okay. Somebody has got to settle. And that’s what I’m saying to you people, so the whole world understands my position. I’m not a negotiator.<br><br>Reporter: Those folks down there, they’re not used to being out here, understand. This is not their neighborhood, and then you shoot a shotgun in the air and scare them. Did you take that into consideration?<br><br>Mr. Mattlage: I was shooting a bird. You missed it a while ago.<br><br>Reporter: Understood, but can you see where they might get scared that you’re shooting a gun in the air?<br><br>Mr. Mattlage: Sir, what I’m afraid of is if this thing don’t get settled—these neighbors out here are upset—I don’t want nobody getting hurt. I just want ‘em to pack their damn tents and go back to where they came from. Their plea is over with. What distures me in thinking about all of this is George Bush really want this going on because that’s probably helping his effort in the war. I don’t know strategy, okay. Maybe it is. I know one thing, they made their point and everybody understands it. How many times do you have to tell people? I feel for that young lady. She hurting. I know she’s hurting. But there are people hurting in this whole community. All of you are hurting because you’re leaving your family, coming out here filming this mess. Everybody got a problem. Everybody got a problem and I got one right now. How we resolve it, I don’t know. If I could get George Bush over here, I’d get him in a minute. If I could get her and if everybody would go home—but I don’t think they will solve the problem. The president can’t go talk to everybody that’s got a problem, okay. He got other work to do and I understand that. Let me ask you, what are you all going to do about it (he was asking the press)? ‘cause you all are part of the problem, too. You all come out here in a car, which you are blocking the road, which if this lady up here that’s 85 years old, if she has to go to the hospital, the damn ambulance can’t even carry her to the hospital. Now, is that any respect? You tell me? That’s all I got to say about that.<br><br>Reporter: Larry how do you spell your name?<br><br>Mr. Mattlage: It’s on the mailbox.<br><br>Mr. Mattlage turned and walked back into the direction of his house, still inside his fenceline. He spoke with the law enforcement there a moment more and they moved to come out to where the press waited as he went inside his barn.<br><br>Afterward...<br><br>The McLennan County Sheriff Larry Lynch came outside Mr. Mattlage’s gate and spoke to the reporters, saying:<br><br>. . . (stay) on the right of way and don’t impede any traffic while these folks are trying to take care of their business out here. There’s nothing we can do."<br><br>Reporters: What about shooting a gun?<br><br>Sheriff: He’s on his own property. He’s getting ready for dove season.<br><br>Reporters: What would have made that a violation?<br><br>Sheriff: If he had aimed over there. He can’t shoot across the road like that. He’s on his property, so he’s fine<br><br>Reporters: Did you visit with him about using some restraint or . . .<br><br>Sheriff: Of course I did. Everybody needs to use restraint in this situation out here. This is a situation that’s taken all these folks by storm and it’s impacted the way a lot of business run out here. So far, everybody has complied and that’s what we’re here for. The deputies are here, to make sure that this continues on in a peaceful manner. The folks have got to comply with all the rules and regulations and laws of the state of Texas and McLennan County and that’s what we’re here to tend to this morning.<br><br>Reporters: How long can these people camp out?<br><br>Sheriff: There’s no rule on that. There will be some issues brought up at the Commissioners' Court next week.<br><br>Reporter: How about shooting a gun so close to the president’s property, anything there?<br><br>Sheriff: No.<br><br>Reporter: The people said that they’re worried, they got scared, they called and said that they didn’t get a response . . . .<br><br>Sheriff: We responded.<br><br>Reporter: You did respond.<br><br>Sheriff: Look around you son. Look around you and see that we responded. Don’t say that we didn’t respond. That upsets me.<br><br>Reporter: I’m sorry. That’s what they told me<br><br>Sheriff: Well, check your facts. Just look around you. Whenever there is a violation of the law or a potential violation of the law, this department and everybody else around here is going to respond. Don’t say we don’t respond.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Calling on others to bring their guns and join him, and saying, <br>“We’re gonna’ start doing our war, but we’re gonna’ do it underneath the law, or whatever it takes. So you all go find you another place to do whatever you’re gonna’ do, because this is our front yard and back yard.” seems like a threat to me. I hope and pray this does not escalate.<br><br>And I will say, all of my interactions with the law enforcement were very positive. They were respectful and responded to any concern brought to their attention. Even a 2 a.m. phone call about seeing someone with flashlights across the field, after the second incident of gunfire - which ended up being someone who had gotten lost trying to find the camp after driving all day to join us! <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=gdn01>GDN01</A> at: 8/14/05 9:03 pm<br></i>
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Re: Shots Fired Near Camp Casey

Postby dbeach » Mon Aug 15, 2005 12:20 am

the rancher has his pts..The larger issue is he can kiss his ranch and paradise good bye cuz busheviks are gonna take away evry piece pf property in the usa after they kill off most of us..so the rancher with his huge redneck energy could be an asset to either side...<br><br>This is tuff work and thank you's from the sleeping majority are most rare..nice that HE LIVES IN SUCH AN INSULATED WORLD .. NICE FOR THE CONTROLLERS WHO EXPLOIT him and us AT EVERY TURN.<br>bush may be his local resident BUT he is no neighbor .<br> <br>bush has his agenda of COMPLETE and TOTAL control of this planet..same agenda that every madman in history has been possessed with/by<br><br>THANX for going and trying to make a difference..thought of ya all today as the Hurricaine Irene sweeps up the east coast .<br> <br>Thought of justice and mercy for the USA and the planet.<br><br>bush will show neither!! <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Shots Fired Near Camp Casey

Postby GDN01 » Mon Aug 15, 2005 1:30 pm

thanks dbeach. Having been there, I don't really think the landowner is accurately describing the situation. So he has to drive by things he doesn't want to see... The road is being kept clear for the most part. Saturday we couldn't keep it clear with 1,000 cars showing up with people to support Cindy. Even the Sheriff gave up! I'll be posting more soon about the whole thing. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Shots Fired Near Camp Casey

Postby ZeroHaven » Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:48 pm

A few hours later, this story twisted a little in my head and here's what came out.<br><br>The man was upset because they were interfering with his plans to kill. To <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>kill a traditional symbol of peace</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->.<br><br>The man felt that he paid taxes <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>only</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> up to the middle of the road, rather than for all the roads in town.<br><br>He explained the phrase 'love thy neighbor' as literal cohabitants of the surrounding area, rather than the meaning Jesus used in the Bible.<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>he hung a “No Parking” sign on his fence<br>You gotta’ live Jesus Christ.<br>I’m getting ready for dove season and you all are still gonna’ be here, I’m practicin’.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br>You figure it out for yourself.<br><br> <p><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a239/ZeroHaven/tinhat.gif"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--></p><i></i>
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where's Darryl and Darryl?

Postby AnnaLivia » Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:33 pm

yes, the magnitude of Larry's confusion is really remarkable. he's one big dog in one small yard, eh? since he's all for the "i was here first so it's mine you get out" point of view, i guess next he'll start a movement for us all to return to other parts of the globe, and give this land back to the american indians, right?<br><br>and, have you ever seen a dove, sans it's feathers? you'd have to kill dozens to feed a family one meal. i'm not against hunting, i'm just against killing for the sake of his ego.<br><br>what a spoiled brat he is. his self-righteous blathering about being inconvenienced? take a trip to Iraq, Larry, and find out what a real hardship looks like. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: where's Darryl and Darryl?

Postby chiggerbit » Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:18 pm

Come on, talking the language of fanatics ain't gonna make no points. You have to LISTEN. <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Mr. Mattlage: <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>When they first came out here, I was sympathetic to their cause, right</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>They as American citizens have a right to march to protest.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> It is like this—it’s like having company, if you have your brother-in-law at your house for five days, wouldn’t it start stinking after a while. You are ready for him to go home, aren’t you?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I'd have a hard time maintaining my manners for that long if I had to put up with a circus with portapotties invading my ditch, invading my privacy. Well, I doubt I'd have that problem for long--poison ivy, every burr known to mankind, prickley ash, thorny locust, multiflora, etc. But I can certainly empathize. Give the guy a break. He sounds pretty reasonable, for Texas. <p></p><i></i>
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I think it is time for people to be inconvenienced.

Postby GDN01 » Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:47 pm

I'm sorry, but if this man has to suffer for the month of August for an anti-war message to get out, so be it. As long as no laws are being violated, Camp Casey should be allowed to stay. And I'm all for civil disobedience - have an arrest record even for two acts of civil disobedience. <br><br>Again I will say, except for about four hours tops, on Saturday afternoon, all streets have been kept clear. And during those 4 hours, it was only the small area around the triangle off to the side of Prairie Chapel that we had to close to traffic, at the sheriff's discretion. The main road, Prairie Chapel Rd. remained open to traffic all day, even though it was slow moving for about a couple of hours. <br><br>The land where the cars are parking are public property. We have paid for the right to use public property with our taxes. I'm sorry he doesn't like looking at the cars. I don't like looking at the bodies that are being blown apart by bombs, our soldiers as well as the people of Iraq. If we Americans were forced to look at the atrocities every day that are the result of this war - the occupation of Iraq would be over.<br><br>Compare the level of "inconvenience" here. For a month, people have to drive a little slower and see cars and people and porta-potties in their neighborhood in Crawford Texas. Since Camp Casey began, since the beginning of August, 54 U.S. soldiers have been killed. How many wounded? How many with shattered lives? How many Iraqi's have been killed? How many stores blown up? How many hours of electricity are they getting each day? I honestly don't care that this man is ready for everyone to leave. People NEED to be uncomfortable right now. People need to get pissed off. But - he has no right to be threatening people with his gun, and don't even pretend that he was practicing for dove season. <br><br>I was reminded of something Martin Luther King had said in a speech, <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.aavw.org/special_features/speeches_speech_king03.html">The Domestic Impact of War.</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The war in Vietnam has produced a shameful order of priorities in which the decay, squalor and pollution of the cities are neglected. And even though 70% of our population now live in them the war has smothered, and nearly extinguished the beginnings of progress toward racial justice. The war has created the bizarre spectacle of armed forces of the United States fighting in ghetto streets in America while they are fighting in jungles in Asia. The war has so increased Negro frustration and despair that urban outbreaks are now an ugly feature of the American scene. How can the Administration, with quivering anger, denounce the violence of ghetto Negroes when it has given an example of violence in Asia that shocks the world. [Applause]<br><br>The users of naval guns, millions of tons of bombs, and revolting napalm can not speak to Negroes about violence. Only those who are fighting for peace have the moral authority to lecture on non-violence. [Applause]<br><br>Now I do not want to be misunderstood. I am not equating the so-called Negro violence with the war. The acts of Negroes are infinitely less dangerous and immoral than the deliberate acts of escalation of the war in Vietnam. [Applause] In fact, the Negroes in the ghetto goaded and angered by discrimination and neglect have for the most part deliberately avoided harming persons. They have destroyed property. But even in the grip of rage the vast majority have vented their anger on inanimate things, not people. If destruction of property is deplorable, what is the word for the use of napalm on people. What would happen to Negroes if they not only set fires but killed people in the vicinity and explained blandly that some known combatants had to die as a matter of course. Negroes would be called savages if we were so callous. But for generals it is military tactics.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>If the inconvenience of a dozen of ranch owners is unacceptable - we aren't even talking about destruction of property here - what is the word for what is happening in Iraq?<br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://winds.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/child.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br>This young girl covered in the blood of her dead parents, screaming - this is something to get angry about - not cars parked in your ditch.<br><br>I made this video of war images <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://winds.typepad.com/life/files/fallujah_2004.wmv">From Fallujah</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> back in November of 2004. Look at it and then tell me what we should do to end this situation. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=gdn01>GDN01</A> at: 8/15/05 8:06 pm<br></i>
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Re: I think it is time for people to be inconvenienced.

Postby chiggerbit » Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:53 pm

If we are to "win" this war, we must appeal to the people sitting on the fence IN THE US!. This attitude only appeals to the people already won. We need a "win, win". For pity's sake, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>let the man know that we are listening</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, else the "war" is lost. Please read my post on Tacayan in data dump. What arrogance is this? Bush is arrogance, not us. Have you no concept how this attitude will be used as propaganda against us? <p></p><i></i>
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meanwhile, back at the ranch

Postby mother » Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:03 pm

What we got here is a million Larrys who claim to love Jesus yet have no love of the truth. Will somebody show Larry that photo? That photo, and the series from which it originates exactly illustrates what these fiends, what "they" have in store for us, and all the doves, and our children. Larry's been living too long in the toxic energy field of his "neighbor". That ain't no neighbor, it ain't even human. Shootins too good for it. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: I think it is time for people to be inconvenienced.

Postby chiggerbit » Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:03 pm

Have you absolutely no idea that this is "guerilla warfare" that we are engaged in, for the minds of the people? Is your arrogance so blind?<br><br> <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> In effect, the human being should be considered the priority objective in a political war. And conceived as the military TARGET of guerrilla war, the human being has his most critical point in his mind. Once his mind has been reached, the "political animal" has been defeated, without necessarily receiving bullets.<br><br>Guerrilla warfare is born and grows in the political environment; in the constant combat to dominate that area of political mentality that is inherent to all human beings and which collectively constitutes the "environment" in which guerrilla warfare moves, and which is where precisely its victory or failure is defined.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: I think it is time for people to be inconvenienced.

Postby GDN01 » Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:10 pm

Everything we do will be used as propaganda against us. I am sick and tired of sitting in my house wringing my hands over the deplorable situation of the world and my country. <br><br>WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO??<br><br>Don't tell me what we shouldn't do. Tell me what we should do. And every chance someone gets from CC to reach out to the other side, it has happened. This one Counter-Demostrator stayed Saturday night. He had been unbelievably abusive during the day with this insults and yelling. A group of us went over to him as night was setting him and brought him water and bug spray. He was overcome by the kindness he was being shown and nearly broke into tears. We told him he didn't have to sit there alone, he could spend the night in our camp, but he declined.<br><br>It is difficult to talk to a man that is shooting guns to intimidate you. But if he wanted a dialogue, I am sure someone from Camp Casey would talk to the man. As long as Americans have their comfortable life, they can't be bothered to get involved in anything. This was a common theme of many of our discussions. We don't want to rock the boat for fear of losing what we have managed to get a small hold on. Well we will lose everything if the people of this country don't start acting and taking a stand in the streets for freedom, peace, and truth. And this will be inconvenient. It will make people mad who want to keep their heads in their collective ass while they watch a little reality TV to escape the reality of what is happening in this country. <br>I won't do it anymore. I won't smile and make nice while this war is going on. <p></p><i></i>
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If the target is the mind

Postby GDN01 » Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:17 pm

The warmongers that are running this country are winning that battle already. They have dumbed people down to only being able to comprehend a 30-second sound bite. They are drugging people into submission left and right. They are feeding people lies and encouraging people to value their SUV over someone's life. We have to wake people up out of this brain-dead slumber. People have to be shaken out of their comfort zone so they will pay attention. <br><br>Again - tell me what we should do. What do you suggest someone should do to galvanize thousands of people into action as Cindy has accomplished. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: I think it is time for people to be inconvenienced.

Postby chiggerbit » Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:28 pm

Fine, I give up, you have lost even me. Can you imagine how may others you will lose? Arrogance. Have you no idea of its evil? Failure to listen. Do you not hear? Taliban, al-queda, Muslims, Arabs, Christians, Texicans? Quiet, listen. Do you not hear the river? LISTEN! Hear them. Talk to them, understand what they are saying. HOW can you understand if you will not listen? JUST LISTEN! That's all I ask, just listen, let them know you are listening. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: I think it is time for people to be inconvenienced.

Postby chiggerbit » Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:36 pm

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Re: I think it is time for people to be inconvenienced.

Postby GDN01 » Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:47 pm

We listen. I listen. I hear what they are saying. That doesn't mean we have to go home and sit on our hands in our houses because someone will be upset by what we do. <br><br>If this conversation is all it takes to make you decide to support the war and the lies and actions of the Bush regime, then you weren't even near the fence. <p></p><i></i>
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