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Postby dbeach » Mon Aug 15, 2005 5:58 pm

neat photos<br><br>I saw the guy with the prosthetic leg and the Vets for<br>PEACE flag.. then I saw the guy with the american flag and thought bush has hijacked the flag that he NEVER served and hates ,wrapped himself in it and started 3 WARS and has his soul mate sauron cheny threatening for war 4 ..<br><br>LOSERS to a mouse cuz they are not real men!!<br><br>PEACE <p></p><i></i>
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Re: wild ideas

Postby GDN01 » Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:04 pm

Thank you, Anna. I've had a hard time keeping up with this thread, too! I've tried to ignore the developments since Norman posted. And it has pained me to see he was successful in derailing this thread to some extent. Divide and conquer always works. Feeding the trolls keeps them coming back for more. <br><br>I agree with your concerns about fighting the wealthy and powerful. It becomes their game and that's what they benefit from. For reasons I can't articulate - what's happening at CC doesn't feel that way to me.<br><br>I don't know what Cindy will do at the end of August, if this vigil keeps going until then. She has lost so much. In a post in her diary on <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://cindysheehan.dailykos.com/story/2005/8/15/44440/6234">DKOS</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->,<br>she addresses the latest attacks on her and her family. She and her husband are divorcing due to the stress of all of this. My heart breaks for her. But there is nothing more powerful than someone who has nothing left to lose. She has no reason to stop and I don't think she will. I just hope more and more people join in this movement. That's what is needed. Cindy asked everyone to set up a "Camp Casey" where ever they live and many are springing up across the country. I'll try to find a link to that!<br><br>Cindy for president - now that's a great wild idea! <p></p><i></i>
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thinking twice

Postby AnnaLivia » Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:15 pm

one point, Starman. the fact the US doesn't get most of its oil from the middle east is correct but irrelevant, because oil prices are tied together worldwide.<br><br>yes, as long as we guzzle and waste oil, most people will believe it's about oil, which is why they become hypocrites about it. and doesn't that suit the wealthpowers just fine.<br><br>it's about our having the world reserve currency, about power and wealth, and keeping it distributed as it is now, from the earners of it to the non-earners of it. <br><br>here's the ultimate in the cheap-labor predators' wet dream (from informationclearinghouse):<br><br>Half-price Colombian fighters offered for Iraq: <br><br>A US company operating out of Ecuador says it has signed up about 1,000 Colombian police and military staff to work as hired guns in Iraq, for less than half of their US counterparts' salaries.<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200508/s1437039.htm">www.abc.net.au/news/newsi...437039.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://snipurl.com/gx9u">snipurl.com/gx9u</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: photos

Postby GDN01 » Mon Aug 15, 2005 6:43 pm

Thanks Dbeach. There were so many vets at Camp Casey and it was so moving to hear their stories. The man with the Veterans for Peace flag was wonderful. A gentle man with a strength that I admire. He stood in the sun all day waving that flag at the counter-demonstrators. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: AnnaLivia's comment

Postby ZeroHaven » Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:39 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"that fighting the wealthpower giants for our rights sends the wrong message. That it sends the message that it is GOOD to fight the wealth-power giants "</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>This statement has almost exactly the same logic as was told to me by a black woman when I asked her about the problem with blacks feeling oppressed, specifically where I lived.<br><br>As a white person I was very much a minority, and couldn't understand why the blacks said they were being oppressed when they were obviously running the schools, the businesses, and so on. I mean, these people had "black only" signs on some businesses, and even a church! <br>My friend told me the few (like herself) who refused to believe in their own inferiority were ostricized for "acting white". Because of the former slavery, there was this subconscious imprint in the culture urging them to keep fighting. That most of those people who claimed to be oppressed simply had gotten used to feeling helpless and hopeless and didn't even realize that they were in fact keeping themselves down by thinking this way. They were still fighting an enemy that had moved out of town. Her examples and personal stories really made sense of it for me.<br><br>I'm not sure if the psychology involved is very comparable, considering the laws that the so-called-elite have in place against us common folk, but the resulting reality looks the same. <br>Somewhere on here was an essay comparing the black woman on the bus to the white woman in Texas. Maybe this is just the beginning of another battle for 'equal rights' with the perceived elites.<br><br>Maybe someone more scholarly than me can take the lessons from the equal rights movement and apply them to this latest battle? <p><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a239/ZeroHaven/tinhat.gif"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=zerohaven>ZeroHaven</A> at: 8/15/05 5:41 pm<br></i>
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gonna borrow a tent or make one

Postby AnnaLivia » Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:49 pm

<br>"Cindy asked everyone to set up a "Camp Casey" where ever they live and many are springing up across the country. I'll try to find a link to that!"<br><br>DOH! now, why didn't i think of that?!!<br><br>my front yard is PERFECT for that!<br><br>gimmee 24 hours or so........i gotta round up materials and paint signs.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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re: Wild Ideas

Postby Starman » Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:55 pm

AnnaLivia:<br><br>Brilliant cutting-thru the chase -- You saw right thru Norman's absurd ploy, claiming 'How Amazing!' which he contradicts in the VERY next sentence, 'I'm not surprised'. Good-eye, I *missed* this flub in my rush to catch-up on the thread, tho something within me wrankled. Man, you caught him WAAAY off-guard and knocked him ass-over-brain off-balanced with your (and others') gracious, well-intentioed and self-aware, genuinely-concerned Love out of regard -- In the interest to instruct the recklessly foolish.<br><br>Dear Norman -- valiantly asserting his insufferable 'correctness' based on nothing but a flawed perception that he's in the majority -- confusing popularity with integrity, opinion with reason. Like so many poor souls who are the unwitting beneficiaries of a corrupted Public Education program, to discourage generations of present and future citizens from developing critical-thinking skills. I used to (until I realized what an essentially lost-cause it was) engage in long, patient debates with folks who proudly exhibited their pro-rightwing, pro-war, pro-Bush biased vanities on their sleeves, as if they were 'proofs' for the correctness of their beliefs, never showing they have they slightest grasp of how to analyze information and reach their own independant opinion based on a rigorous vetting of substantiated facts. <br><br>It's hardly just coincidence that so many seemingly decent, ordinary good-hearted folks fall prey to crude propaganda, clever thought-avoiding slogans, bumper-sticker soundbite jingoism, and faux-patriotic 'popular' manipulated opinions -- it's been drummed into them, as the lessons of mass-marketting and psychological programming and media 'messaging' have been used by the PTB's technocrats to create large numbers of compliant, unquestioning citizens who fall-into-line as according to elaborate propaganda dogma. It's really rather scary how many people are hostile to ideas that challenge their deeply-invested core beliefs, which can be shown to be seriously flawed. The Alex Jones' post on his experience at Camp Cindy with the counter-demonstrators shows this extreme very clearly -- with the Marine-father raising his son to be another chunk of 'proud' but mindless cannon-fodder in one of tomorrow's Perpetual Wars.<br><br>My neighbor is one of those Born-Again Christian pro-Bush/pro-war Rupublicans who, while a generally nice-guy (he lets me use his lawn-mower), he's simply incapable of acknowledging the contradictio between Christ's teaching and the US's aggressive war-mongering and long history of destructive, exploitive, disasterous Foreign Policy, of which the US's Iraq and Afghanistan wars are just the latest chapters. Our few past discussions on political issues usually resulted in heated exchanges and angry, frustrated words -- we have both sort-of agreed to disagree -- IMO, he's simply unable to process new information that contradicts his position.<br><br>BTW: I LOVE your take on the whole issue of wealthpower giants, as forming the basis for the immense injustices and idiocies and horrors and outrages that curreently afflicts the world today. This is the same bunch I've been calling the globalist parasites, who steal the riches and feed off the energies of others, who actually produce little if anything themselves that is useful or of value. The radical privatization of Iraq's public resources and State Industries, and the resulting enslavement via pauperization of Iraq's citizens, is the ultimate neoliberal model of wealth allocation the corporate elites aka wealthpower giants would want to impose on the world -- an even more radical version of economic exploitation than the model they imposed on the former nation of Yugoslavia -- which coldblooded destruction for economic enslavement has STILL not been acknowledged for the immense crime against peace led by the US and NATO which it was. The US masses still buy the 'demon Milosevic & genocide' rationale -- just as they bought the Iraq-WMD line.<br><br>AnnaLivia said:<br>"while you were at Camp Casey, i posted something in another thread that i want to touch on again, to avoid any misunderstanding. i said, and i stand by it 100%, that fighting the wealthpower giants for our rights sends the wrong message. That it sends the message that it is GOOD to fight the wealth-power giants for our rights, that it is RIGHT to fight the wealth-power giants for our rights, that it is NECESSARY to fight the wealth-power giants for our rights, that we MUST ALWAYS fight the wealth-power giants for our rights....and that that is wrong.<br><br>wrong because it does nothing to get people to see that wealthpower giants are totally unecessary in the first place, and that the solution to the root cause of our troubles is to murder the idea of having/allowing ANY wealthpower giants.<br><br>so it may seem contradictory for me to then support what CS is doing, i realize. but here's the thing. i just see it as steps in a process. before people can really grasp the idea of seriously not having wealthpower giants at all, they have to have cause to consider that notion. and i think actions like Cindy's actually do get them further along that road (no pun intended). it would be grand to hear every activist include what i see as the biggest-picture thinking, and i work relentlessly at prompting them to do so, but even if they're not quite there yet, i have tremendous respect for all who are helping us take a step forward.<br><br>you pull. i'll push.<br><br>and we'll get there together.<br><br>i'm really curious about CS's future plans once August is over. i hate to see her disappear into Move-on or Answer or the Democratic party or something like that. ya know...i'd like to see her announce she's running for President. pretend she's serious as all hell for awhile and cause an even bigger commotion. can you imagine the buzz? strike while the iron is hot?<br><br>and she could just stash away any contributions she received to be returned later, mail herself and some sympathetic journalists a letter....to be kept sealed until time to call off the "stunt"...explaining she intended from the start to do it, not to trick people, but to do what she saw as absolutely vital to our nation's health and well-being...to help keep the groundswell growing against bushco (and the wealthpower giants). she could just shrug and say "hey, all's fair in war". i'd dearly love to hear the Bushies say they don't agree with that. how could they after Abu Ghraib and Gitmo?<br><br>maybe we should just start calling her President Cindy every time we refer to her. gee, it'd be fun to make Rush and Hannity have to speak the words just to disparage the idea, wouldn't it?<br><br>let's see...who can she announce would be her cabinet members and advisors...Cynthia Mckinney, Dr. Helen Caldicott, Sibel Edmonds, the Grandmother of Chase Comley...is Granny D still with us, bless her savvy heart?<br><br>let's dream big!"<br><br>--unquote--<br><br>'President Sheehan' -- Man, I can DIG IT! It's gonna take something like a popular that HUGE and 'outside the box' of corporate-controlled interets and influence, of people who are so deeply principled and committed to what is Right and Just, to turn the awful, destructive path this nation is on, seeking military-corporate targets of opportunity as temprary stop-gap solutions for the immense flaws, contradiction, inconsistencies and plain idiocies of modern neoliberal, 'free-market' notions requiring constant growth (like an out-of-control cancerous tumour) to reconcile -- entirely losing sight of alternative accounting systems, such as meeting all basic human needs (which OUGHT to be a global priority, doing more to eliminate terrorism and poverty and suffering than any number of limited initatives or 'programs' which don't adopt a sufficiently global perspective), living in-balance with the earth, protecting and stewarding fragile ecosystems, using the seventh-generation model of wise development, encouraging regional and intra-community models of initiative, cooperative self-reliance and diversity of development, and so-on.<br><br>GREAT insights on how steps are part of necessary, meaningful process of change -- we need to be awake and alert to options and strategies that help is think and see BIGGER, to dream MORE and MORE Creatively, to get Further.<br><br>'You pull, I'll push -- and we'll get there together.'<br><br>Precisely!<br>Regrdz;<br>Starman <p></p><i></i>
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see ya's later

Postby AnnaLivia » Mon Aug 15, 2005 7:57 pm

gotta get started now, but real quick, ZeroHaven, the difference is that getting rid completely of the idea of having whites is not good nor doable, but getting rid completely of the idea of having wealthpower giants is BOTH.<br><br>but i get what you're saying.<br><br>cheers, everyone! <p></p><i></i>
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heath7...

Postby robertdreed » Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:40 pm

please, read for context!<br><br>My earlier remarks were not aimed at you- they were referencing my exchange with Norman Miller. (I've edited my earlier comment to make it more obvious to whom I was referring. If you could modify or withdraw your earlier comment upon reading this, I think it would help clear up some confusion.) <br><br>I've returned to the board to find that the vast majority of the writing in the interim has veered off-page to the topic of Norman. That doesn't surprise me...note how many of his comments consist of name-calling, labelling the other contributors around here en masse. He's inviting "piling on."<br><br>I think Miller fits the definition of a troll- aggressively uninterested in dialogue, making careless and frequent resort to sarcasm, haughty, preening, reliant on antagonizing people rather than conveying information about ideas, intent on derailing topics and enthroning himself as the center of attention.<br><br>He'll probably remain on the board as long as he can find someone to bait, or until he's kicked off of the board by Jeff. If he is kicked off, I recommend leaving at least the opening salvo of comments that he's posted in this discussion on the record. Prima facie evidence, as it were...<br><br>I think I've responded sufficiently to Norman's comments, and see no point in paying further heed to him. I have a scroll mouse, after all. <br><br>Carry on...please, by all means,back on-topic. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 8/15/05 7:56 pm<br></i>
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Her husband has filed for Divorce

Postby normanmiller » Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:29 pm

Hmmm.....family doesn't like what she is doing and now her husband files for divorce. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Her husband has filed for Divorce

Postby normanmiller » Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:30 pm

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Re: Geez thanks for the attention

Postby normanmiller » Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:39 pm

Enslave my family?<br><br>Maybe your enslaved but I live a happy life. Great wife, great kids and great parents. Good job. Doesn't sound like enslavement to me.<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Her husband has filed for Divorce

Postby normanmiller » Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:55 pm

Just like I said twice before. I am entitled to my opinions just as you. Different views are what makes the world go around. Got to start work;<br><br>See ya!<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/happy.gif ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Geez thanks for the attention

Postby toscaveritas » Tue Aug 16, 2005 12:12 am

sounds like a good soviet citizen-- with those criteria, you don't deserve better than utter tyranny<br><br>"No people are more hopelessly enslaved than those who believe they are free' J. W. von Goethe <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Geez thanks for the attention

Postby normanmiller » Tue Aug 16, 2005 12:23 am

Just got back from 7 days in Hawaii. I must be most free slave there is. I don't see a task master whipping me back to work. If you let you mind enslave you, it will. <p></p><i></i>
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