Update on Camp Casey in Crawford Texas

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Re: off message already

Postby ZeroHaven » Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:56 pm

Watching some news blips today I think the Camp Casey message has become "bring the troops home"<br>Apparently several people have been using this phrase during their speeches there. The only name I actually caught was Patricia Roberts but other people said it and I didn't hear the 'noble cause' once. <br>Just wanted to let ya know. <p><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a239/ZeroHaven/tinhat.gif"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--></p><i></i>
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New Pix

Postby Sweejak » Tue Aug 23, 2005 6:00 pm

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Re: Kevlar?

Postby Qutb » Tue Aug 23, 2005 6:37 pm

<!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://gfx.dagbladet.no/pub/artikkel/4/43/439/439938/bush1reu.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>Who knows? Note that Bush is in short sleeves. And Myers. While Rumsfled and Cheney and that third guy are indeed wearing more clothes than would be normal. Maybe they know Bush isn't a target? Because he's just a stage prop anyway, the killing of whom would just install Evil Dick on the throne? Hmm, interesting times to live in. <br><br>I have doubts about the kevlar though. It wouldn't normally stop a rifle bullet, and a good marksman would aim for the head, wouldn't he. Still, curious dress code. <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:black;font-family:century gothic;font-size:x-small;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br></p><i></i>
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Re: New Pix

Postby GDN01 » Tue Aug 23, 2005 6:37 pm

Nice pics! <br><br>Sweejak - I left Saturday afternoon around 2:30. I recognize the people in your "camp friends" photo and I think you have a picture of the tent I slept in Friday night in "Camp 1 wakes up". It wasn't my tent but the tent owner, Mike, a veteran from the Gulf War, let me sleep in it since he was on security watch all night and I had had such a rough afternoon with the heat.<br><br>And I agree with your assessment of the Crawford police - I interacted with them several times when I was on security watch and was pleasantly surprised by the way they handled things. They seemed to be making a huge effort to ensure Camp Casey will continue, and protect the people there. From what I heard, the police may not agree with the politics, but have gained respect for the people there because of the effort they saw us all making to keep things orderly and cooperate. <br><br>And yes, Camp Casey is an amazing place to be. I so wish I could go back for the last weekend and the final days of the vigil. They are expecting a large number of counter-demonstrators to come this weekend. And I wonder how the organizers will bring this all to an end. How they will get everything taken down and get all the people to walk away. Will it be done with a grand finale event and some sort of procession down the road or what! And the crosses - how can they remove them? Lots of people are filming there and planning on making documentaries. It will be interesting to see what is said of this whole event with some time lapsed. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: New Pix

Postby Sweejak » Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:22 pm

GDN, Sorry I missed you. Camp I has to be one of the most rewarding things I've ever experienced. I'm not alone in this as I have heard it from most everyone who was there. I don't know if these folks will want to say goodbye. There was talk about joining the taking of the Amtrak Cresent out of New Orleans, the Peace Train, which I imagined as running away with the Circus.<br>Anyway, I think they may manage to take some of the spirit up to DC on the 24th. <br><br>===================<br>About the Picture of Cheney and company, is that a Kevlar head? Cheney looks positively weird, cast iron pants? When Captain May said "Kevlar" I took it as a supposition and I think he meant it that way, I didn't stop him to demand proof. I'm beginning to hate this word "compelling", but I'll leave it at that for now.<br>Pam, what do you think of Capt. May <p></p><i></i>
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Re: New Pix

Postby thrulookingglass » Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:50 pm

Had to stop by and say thanks all. Thanks for the pix. Got me teary-eyed. Thanks for going! Thank you so much.<br><br>while I'm here, the stiffs in the picture (rummy,cheney, etc) are definitely wearing body armor. They probably wear something more exotic than kevlar too. W and Condi are braving the elements. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Camp Casey

Postby Al Gomas » Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:50 am

"To protect our county." - from what? An imagined threat? A threat yet to manifest?<br><br>When their crimes seriously threaten their hold on power we will see the same justification used against us. The intellectuals, the artists, the gays and selected minorities will be identified and neutralized. The Corponazis have abundantly demonstrated their psychosis to those of us with eyes to see. I expect the worst but remain grateful for "living in interesting times". I am 53 and never imagined I would someday have my door kicked in by "Fatherland Security". Maybe life in the gulag wont be so bad. At least I will be among friends.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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The death of Juan Torres

Postby Peachtree Pam » Wed Aug 24, 2005 10:34 am

Here is a full account of what happened to him:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://lewrockwell.com/rogers/rogers166.html">lewrockwell.com/rogers/rogers166.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>Murdered in Afghanistan?<br><br>by Mike (in Tokyo) Rogers<br><br> <br><br>At Camp Casey in Crawford Texas, of course there are a very many people who have a heartbreaking story to tell. They are the families of the soldiers who have died in a war started because of a lie. Soldiers who made the ultimate sacrifice for what they believed in only for those who survived them to find out that they’ve been lied to and their sons and daughters, mothers and fathers have died for nothing. And no, I’m not talking just about the Iraq War today. I’m talking about the war we were lied into before Iraq: I’m talking about the invasion of Afghanistan.<br><br>If you have finally come to the realization that George W. Bush and his entire administration have lied to you about the reasons for the Iraq War, then it only stands to reason that you are about to break into another realization. And that is – that reality – is that the invasion of Afghanistan was another war built on lies. Without the invasion of Afghanistan, there would have never been an invasion of Iraq. These two events are not separate entities. From the day George W. Bush lied and said that "Terrorists hate our freedoms" and that 9/11 was an "act of war" and not a crime, was the day the big lie started. This big lie includes Afghanistan, Iraq, and Iran. <br><br>This is the one taboo subject, it seems, few are willing to speak about. But it is true; the war on the Taliban and the invasion of Afghanistan was yet another crime committed by the Bush administration. It is another war that is draining our youth and national treasury and it is another war that the United States can never win. It is also just one more straw on the camel’s back that is destroying the US armed forces.<br><br>At Camp Casey, I met a man named Juan Torres who had a compelling story to tell. It was a story about his son, named Juan Torres Jr., who was officially listed as the 134th US soldier to die in Afghanistan. Juan Torres Jr. was a 25-year-old Specialist in the Army Reserve. He was assigned to the 453rd Transportation Company based out of Houston, Texas. The US Army has reported that Juan Torres Jr. died at Bagram Air Force Base on July 12th, 2004 due to a single gunshot wound to the head. His death was listed as a non-combat related injury. The Army also claimed to have investigated the death of Juan Torres Jr. and reached the conclusion that his death was suicide.<br><br>But here is where the story takes a most horrifying and repulsive turn; here is where the story turns into an abomination that will nauseate any American who has ever served – or known someone who has served – in our once proud Armed Forces. Shortly before his death, Juan Torres Jr. had called his father from Bagram Air Force Base. Juan Jr. was overwhelmed with fear. He was distraught because of rampant drug abuse, drug dealing, and trafficking among officers and enlisted men inside of Bagram. He was especially upset that officers, as high up as Captains, were involved with this drug trafficking and their superior officers were doing nothing to put a stop to it. <br><br>Juan Torres Sr. does not speak English particularly well. In fact, his English is sometimes difficult to understand. But, being a foreigner in a foreign country, I could feel his pain and I could relate to what he wanted to say and his frustration at his own inability to communicate his thoughts. I videotaped an interview with Juan Torres Sr. Here is a transcript of that interview about his recollections of the final telephone call he had from his son, Juan Torres Jr.: <br><br>"My son said, ‘Daddy, there’s a lot of drugs here. The officers are dealing in drugs. I don’t like it. I talked to all my friends and told them ‘Don’t use drugs’ because it’s really terrible here.’ I told my son, to say nothing to anybody. I told him that he only had a little bit more time until he could come back. I begged him to be quiet. But he said he couldn’t. He said, ‘But, Daddy, these are American soldiers, they are not supposed to be doing this. I have to try to stop them.’"<br><br>"My son worked everyday from 6:00 PM to 6:00 AM. But the day before he died some officer changed my son’s working hours. They changed his schedule and told him to go off duty at 6:00 PM and come in at 6:00 AM. The next day, when my son didn’t report for duty in the morning, they reported that he died. The Army claims that he shot himself in the head while taking a shower. That doesn’t make sense. They murdered him inside the shower. When he was taking a shower, and he couldn’t defend himself because he was unarmed, he was shot in the head."<br><br><br>"I want to name the people who did this. One is a sergeant, and one is a captain. I sent lots of letters to congress, lots of letters to the Pentagon, but no one is interested. Nobody helps me; maybe it’s because my son is Hispanic, maybe because I don’t speak English so good. Or maybe no one helps because everyday lots of soldiers die."<br><br>"The military claimed that that they closed the investigation of my son’s death on September, 24, 2004 – about two months after my son died. But these people lied. They sent me many letters saying that they investigated but one of my son’s co-workers from his office told me, ‘Mr. Torres, I’m sorry but nobody ever investigated your son’s death because we didn’t have the people to do it – we were so undermanned. Lots of soldiers are dying and I’m so very sorry.’"<br><br>"First I got an anonymous phone call from a soldier who knew what had actually happened to my son. I have now spoken with over three-dozen soldiers who told me what really happened. But they are afraid that if they say their names, that something bad will happen to them or their families."<br><br>"I don’t know what to do. I’m only waiting for God to give me justice. My son served this country since he was 17 years old. He was first sent to Kosovo. He served this country for eight years and then was murdered by American soldiers who are dealing in drugs and smuggling drugs from Afghanistan because he was getting ready to report them. And the worst part about it is that the US Army refuses to investigate and claims that my son committed suicide. That’s a lie. He was murdered because he was going to report the drug business at Bagram Airbase." <br><br>Juan Torres Sr. I feel for you and your family. You think that no one listens to you but I did. And for what it’s worth, I want to help you to get this story out and to do whatever I can to get you justice.<br><br>And for you, dear reader, this is just one more story among the many; just one more story about a desertion, a suicide, a death; another disaster for a family. This is the story of just one more death in George W. Bush’s book of dying for a noble cause. This is just one more story about the decline of the United States. It’s a snapshot of what our military has become; it is a mirror of American society today. Thank you George W. Bush. Thank you for keeping America free and for keeping our military great. Could anyone read the above and not wonder how much longer it will be until the US military collapses like a house of rotten toothpicks?<br><br>August 23, 2005<br><br>Mike (in Tokyo) Rogers [send him mail] was born and raised in the USA and moved to Japan in 1984. He has the distinction of being fired from every FM radio station in Tokyo – one of them three times. His first book, Schizophrenic in Japan, is now on sale.<br><br>Copyright © 2005 LewRockwell.com<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Our favorite sign "perhaps"

Postby thrulookingglass » Wed Aug 24, 2005 2:21 pm

Perhaps its providence?! How arrogant, let alone an absolutely and unequivocally inappropriate and ignoble reason for war. Are you willing to risk your life or the lives of others on a “perhaps”?! Perhaps, but more likely its hegemony disguised as providence. Democracy a prerequisite?! And aren’t we in the US just the pinnacle achievement of democracy’s goals!? Yes, maybe one day you Iraqi’s can have a government as inept at solving your problems! Nay, may it create more problems for those who so desperately need their voices heard, or a hand out of abject poverty. May you suffer through boondoggles, fleecing and “pork barrel politics” that have made American’s so disenfranchise with their own government as to not participate in it. This is culling, it is social Darwinism, it is western arrogance and it is the very same ideas that lead to the genocide of millions of Native Americans, Mexicans, etc. We civilized folks will bring mannerly civilization to the Middle East. God damn! We can’t get our own shit right! Now we need to export our nationalist totalitarianism?! Why don’t you wake up and smell what you’re shoveling! <p></p><i></i>
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Cindy's coming back

Postby Peachtree Pam » Wed Aug 24, 2005 3:10 pm

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Re: The death of Juan Torres

Postby GDN01 » Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:25 pm

Pam, the father shared more details and some were very disturbing. When he was finally able to have his son's belongings he had someone look at the laptop his son had with him in Afghanistan. He showed me a printout of activity from the hard drive and there had been files erased after his son's death. He believes his son had files and information about the drug trafficking on his computer that the military got rid of. He said his son told him how the high ranking officers were in partnership with the local drug runners and they were shipping drugs to the states for a huge profit as well as dealing to the soldiers on the ground. The whole base there had become a drug smuggling operation. He showed me pictures his son had sent him of his bed area and there was a line of cards on the wall with numbers, representing how many days he had left, and there were only like five cards remaining. He was looking forward to coming home and had no reason to kill himself. I think he had a fiance, even. All he wanted to do was get out of there. I can't remember all he said, but there were other things, too. <br>It's a really sad story. <br><br>There were so many people with sad stories of losing their loved ones. I wish the president had to sit and listen to each and every one of them. Not in some photo op session when he does all the talking and the families just sit there, like what currently happens when he "visits" with these families. I wish he had to listen to their stories and hear their grief. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The death of Juan Torres

Postby Col Quisp » Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:45 pm

He should have kept quiet until he was home. How sad. <p></p><i></i>
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Drug war

Postby Peachtree Pam » Thu Aug 25, 2005 2:25 pm

Thanks, GDN01, for the report.<br><br>Everything is looking more and more like Vietnam, which was another war to gain control of drug trafficing, when herion was packed in the corpses of dead soldiers coming home.<br><br>What really floored me was something I read recently to the effect that General Abazaid and General Casey in Iraq were protected by armed PRIVATE CONTRACTORS, rather than their own soldiers.<br><br>The final step is fragging, the killing of officers by their own subordinates...which I don't think is very far in the future...<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: outsourcing security

Postby thrulookingglass » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:21 pm

The green zone in Baghdad is actually guarded by outsourced security forces. There was a good Frontline episode that tried to investigate such matters (lets just say the private corps weren't too cooperative). Only continues to stir the stomach on how deplorable and immoral this war has made us (in the U.S.).<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/warriors/">www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/fr.../warriors/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>No wonder the neocons wanna chase this stuff off the air. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: outsourcing security

Postby Sweejak » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:35 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Beware the Progressives<br><br>by Stan Goff<br><br><br>I feel compelled once again to be a skunk at the party, but it's a role I'm growing into. Cindy Sheehan's squatter's camp has re-energized the antiwar movement, but just as it has done so, it has also re-energized the herd dogs of the Democratic Party who fear nothing more than an independent mass movement.<br><br>Cindy plopped down outside the Bush gopher ranch on a 98-degree day. The cops told her to leave. As tactfully as she could, Cindy advised them in less scatological terms to piss up a rope, putting the cops, the Bush administration, and the Democratic Party in a dilemma.<br><br>Neither the cops nor the administration wanted to be held responsible on camera for dragging away the grieving mother of an Iraq war fatality (her son, Casey). For a moment, they were hopeful that there would be an untimely end to this little action when Cindy collapsed from severe dehydration on the first day; but alas she re-hydrated and re-appeared the following day and began attracting mad media.<br><br>For the Democrats, of course, of whom exactly one elected official (Maxine Waters) has deigned to visit "Camp Casey," this presented quite another problem – the same problem that the whole movement against the war presented prior to the last electoral farce in 2004. The masses were moving to their left and threatening to expose this moribund Weimar formation as the waste of both money and oxygen that it has repeatedly demonstrated itself to be. But Joshua Frank did an excellent job recently on this site of describing the Democratic Party.<br><br>I want to talk about something more specific, and that is one of the tactics being employed by the partisans of this rotting political edifice to try and contain the newfound energy that exploded onto the scene at Crawford and threatens to fill the DC Mall with malcontents on September 24th.<br><br>And that is the "exit strategy" proposal drafted by Tom Hayden and being vigorously pimped by policy-encrusted liberals all through cyberspace, the print media, and soon enough on television. This is the oral formulaic appeal to "reasonableness and realism" of weak-kneed liberals every time a mass movement threatens to gain any momentum – we have to present a "reasonable" alternative (always a POLICY alternative, of course), and we have to face the fact that we can't "move" "our" agenda without accepting a "realistic" (read: watered down) approach. You kiddies have acted up enough now; go on and play; leave the rest of this to Daddy and Mommy in Congress.<br><br>Republicans, of course, are only at risk of losing a tiny sliver of their base among the strictest libertarians over the war.<br><br>The Democrats are already grooming a few 2008 candidates, including the execrable Hillary Rodham Clinton who has stated her desire to beef up the war against Southwest Asia. Let's not forget that her husband presided over an Iraqi holocaust that George W. Bush is still trying to match. The Republicans are secure for now with their white nationalist popular base. An active and increasingly militant left is a more immediate threat to the Democrats ­ who have prospered from Republican reaction for decades now by capturing social bases that feel they have nowhere else to go. That dilemma is real, but it is also predicated on the notion that to "go there" we need to contain ourselves in electoralism and pluralist policy fights that are engineered by corporations and NGOs.<br><br>That's why Sheehan and others who propose the radical option of simply leaving Iraq are now being surrounded by the friendly faces of "progressives" who will try and redirect this newfound mobilization along the acceptable policy-debate paths.<br><br>Enter Tom Hayden with his "proposal" for disengagement in Iraq. Hayden's proposal appeared recently in the LA Times, where he explained:<br><br> "The rallying cry of 'out now' expresses the belief that the Iraq war is not worth another minute in lost lives, lost honor, lost taxes, lost allies. But its very simplicity makes the demand easy to ignore or dismiss."<br><br>Oh thank you, oh wise one, for instructing us on the finer points of political realism. And thank you for putting words in our mouths that have us express precisely the kinds of chauvinist horse manure being shoveled out of the DP stable. Most of us oppose the war because it is a cynical, amoral, imperial crime. To hell with allies and "honor." And don't worry. We will not be dismissed. Cindy Sheehan, one of those naifs who say "out now" isn't being dismissed, now is she? Except by Tom Hayden, who in a patronizing tone, calls Cindy's "bring them home now" position a "moral stance."<br><br>Tom says that we "deserve a hearing," and that this means we will have to propose an exit strategy of our own... which is actually Tom Hayden's. By the way, Tom, we intend to be heard one way or another, unless you mean we deserve to be heard – with our respectful hats in our respectful hands – by the venal "leadership" of elected official-dum.<br><br>Your statement is a non sequitur, by the way. There is not anything about our deserving-ness that in any way suggests we have to propose some abstract, unenforceable, debatable-for-the-next-five-years "exit strategy." But thank you oh so much for validating us in our deserving.<br><br>Tell the surviving families of those thousands of Iraqis whose corpses rotted under the rubble of Fallujah that they "deserve a hearing." Where do you people learn to talk like that? Is there some kind of secret school for Democrats where they get a graduate degree in Weasel Wording?<br><br>Here's Tom Hayden's "plan":<br><br> "First, as confidence-building measures, Washington should declare that it has no interest in permanent military bases or the control of Iraqi oil. It must immediately announce goals for ending the occupation and bringing all our troops home – in months, not years, beginning with an initial gesture by the end of this year."<br><br>Tom, old boy, I can't help myself. This is bullshit.<br><br>Are you joking about this? Guarantees from the US? You been to Pine Ridge lately? Ask them about guarantees from the US government. Perhaps you can explain to some of us why this administration would ever offer a guarantee to turn its back on the central goal of the whole Iraq invasion. Let me propose a different confidence building measure to reach out to Iraqis. We make the political cost so high in the US for continuing the war that it threatens the entire US state with destabilization... just an alternative suggestion, you understand.<br><br>More of Tom's "exit strategy":<br><br> "Second, the U.S. should request that the United Nations, or a body blessed by the U.N., monitor the process of military disengagement and de-escalation, and take the lead in organizing a peaceful reconstruction effort."<br><br>Tom, are you having a mescaline flashback? The United Nations? What nationalities, pray tell, will be under those Carolina-blue K-Pots? Or does the UN employ angels? Moreover, why in the world would the US or the Iraqis need anyone to "oversee" a disengagement? Here you propose a plan that is allegedly going to conform to a set timeline, yet it is utterly dependent on the script being followed by actors over whom the US exercises little to no control. I can't help remembering a similar notion that was enacted by Richard Nixon in 1969. He did get out of Vietnam, however, six years and a million dead bodies later with people clinging to the skids of UH1H helicopters.<br><br>Let me just say something about how to withdraw. This is my plan. Hey, if Tom Hayden is qualified to write up exit strategies, why not an old grunt like me, eh?<br><br>The Plan: The National Command Authority orders all US forces redeployed out of Iraq within one month and out of the theater in two months. Any commander that fails to meet the deadline will be summarily relieved, and replaced with a commander that will thereby be placed on a shorter timeline. I can promise anyone who has no experience of the military that this is perfectly feasible, and that with that kind of command emphasis, the mission can and will be accomplished.<br><br>Here, of course, is where we discern the liberal pre-occupation (pun intended) with "overseeing" disengagement and other such poppycock. Oh Gasp! they will declare. What then will become of these simple-minded brown people who want nothing more than to drink each other's blood? At the end of the day, a liberal can be every bit as much the white nationalist as any rock-ribbed Republican Confederate. They really believe that the United States is the beacon of civilization because we have sitcoms and theme parks, and that the brutality of the US military occupation is an aberration – the antithesis of our true nature. Under all this verbiage is plain, Anglo-American Kiplingesque white supremacy. Remember the "white man's burden to civilize the dark races?"<br><br>Tom, here is a delivery from the cluetrain. Iraqis were doing algebra and astronomy when some of our European ancestors still believed that a bath would leave you vulnerable to evil spirits – number one clue. Having smart bombs doesn't make you smarter. It just makes you meaner. Get over your chauvinist self. Number two clue – the primary catalyst for the intensifying violence in Iraq right now is... the US military presence. Tom, you say this yourself later on in your proposal, which only makes this protracted and abstracted "disengagement" thing all the more remarkable.<br><br>But, of course, Tom goes on:<br><br> "Third, the president should appoint a peace envoy, independent of the occupation authorities, to begin an entirely different mission in Iraq. The envoy should encourage and cooperate in peace talks with Iraqi groups opposed to the occupation, including insurgents, to explore a political settlement."<br><br>So let me get this straight. The US authorities should be replaced... by a different US authority, renamed, of course, an "envoy." And the envoy would be the countryman of... the occupying military. This bait-and-switch is... a "political settlement." Wow, I'm really getting the hang of this now. I'm beginning to feel like I might be able to CLEP out of Weasel Wording 101.<br><br>Tom reminds us that "[n]either the Bush administration nor the news media have shown interest in these voices [of the antiwar movement], perhaps because they undercut the argument that we are fighting to save Iraqis from each other."<br><br>Huh? You yourself are proposing a plan with this assumption at its very core.<br><br>But even more astonishing is the attempt to lay the blame for this war at the doorstep of Republicans (and of course the news media). There is an entire party allegedly in opposition to the Republicans – your party, Tom – that hasn't shown any interest in the voices raised against the war, until of course two things happened: (1) The polls shifted against the war, and (2) large numbers of non-Republican people became disenchanted with the utter and gutless capitulationism of the Democratic Party and started listening to actual leftists.<br><br>Some of us were saying all the way back when that Arkansas horseshit-huckster was in the Oval Office that Iraqis were being killed off by the hundreds of thousands in a war (and its sanctions) that started – by the way – in 1990 and has not ceased for one moment since. That war went on all the way through both terms of that sexually exploitative (It DOES matter!) prevaricator, who bombed Yugoslavian bridges and aspirin factories with the same enthusiasm that Bush the Younger has displayed in bombing Afghani weddings and Iraqi hospitals. Where were the Democrats listening to "these voices" then?<br><br>Here's another voice the DP can listen to. "You're over." More and more of us are learning that we can never let you take us for granted again. And we can fight Republicans on our own terms... by any means necessary.<br><br>See you in September.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://lewrockwell.printthis.clickability.com/pt/cpt?action=cpt&title=Beware+the+Progressives+by+Stan+Goff&expire=&urlID=15283444&fb=Y&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lewrockwell.com%2Forig6%2Fgoff1.html&partnerID=10">lewrockwell.printthis.cli...rtnerID=10</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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