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Operation Iron Fist

Postby heath7 » Sat Oct 01, 2005 5:35 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Operation Iron Fist</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> began early today in Western Iraq. The usual house to house intrusions and overhead attack vehicle are involved. Gotta love the name, <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Operation Iron Fist</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->.<br><br>Unrelated, but great for enhancing mood, I stumbled upon this magazine ad:<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2005/09/30/2002532395.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br><br>From this <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002532657_boeingad1m.html" target="top">link.</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br>Boeing and Bell apologized for running the ad AGAIN!!! They said the ad was never meant to run. I would like to hear them apologize for even creating the ad.<br><br>Gotta love the soldiers rappelling down the rope, to unleash <!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:red;font-family:courier;font-size:medium;">hell</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--> in the mosque.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Operation Iron Fist

Postby foptiludrop » Sat Oct 01, 2005 5:44 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Here is what BOEING says on its website: </em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Boeing Statement on CV-22 Advertisement</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>The CV-22 advertisement that appeared in the National Journal is clearly offensive, and did not proceed through the normal channels within Boeing before production. <br><br>“We consider the ad offensive, regret its publication and apologize to those who like us are dismayed with its contents,” said Mary Foerster, Vice President of Boeing Integrated Defense Systems Communications.<br><br>“When the Company became aware of the advertisement we immediately requested that our partner’s agency withdraw and destroy all print proofs of the advertisement and replace it with one that was appropriate,” Foerster said. “Unfortunately despite our best efforts to have the ad replaced, a clerical error at the National Journal resulted in its publication this week.”<br><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.boeing.com/news/breakingnews/2005/050930a.html" target="top">BOEING "Current Statements" page</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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osprey ad

Postby albion » Sat Oct 01, 2005 5:55 pm

I think the offensiveness of the ad is refreshingly honest. I'd like to see them apologize for the hell. <p></p><i></i>
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A limb

Postby Inanna » Sat Oct 01, 2005 6:05 pm

I'm going to go out on a limb and say I think all these "mistakes" and "leaks" are not mistakes and leaks. I think they may well be intentional in order to foment trouble in Iraq.<br><br>I almost think what they really want to see is a never ending war with all sides fighting each other. <br><br>I dunno, just seems to me like they don't try real hard to NOT have situations such that things won't escalate. Maybe I am nuts or just tired today (I am tired today). <p></p><i></i>
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Osprey

Postby rapt » Sat Oct 01, 2005 6:35 pm

Somewhat OT<br><br>Some of you may remember that this VTOL airplane was originated in the 1960s as a development program for Bell/Boeing. I think Bell got the design going but needed Boeing for backing, and for DoD inside connections to keep the $$ flowing. At the time I was very much into this type of aircraft so I kept my eye on it through the years, about 45 of them so far.<br><br>Here is the main point: This type of aircraft design works on a small scale, and small scale is what was originally proposed; lightweight, maybe 4 passengers, in-and-out. Bell/Boeing demonstrated that they could do this from the gitgo, and got the contracts for development. Pols stepped in and said "Lets make it bigger. See, if it is big we can do so much more with it." (and it will be worth so much more money too)<br><br>Engineers knew it would never work if it was big; the physics aren't right for that. But of course engineers never have the final say, and so the mgrs said fine lets make it bigger. Stockholders said fine, govt keeps paying huge bucks for this endless project; what could be better? And so it has gone for many years. The design is not finished because it can't possibly, and never could, accomplish the objective, - when enlarged way beyond the original concept -.<br><br>The insurmountable obstacle, for those who have stuck it out so far and are curious, is that for this type of VTOL tilt-wing big-screw apparatus to work, it must be small. There are serious instability problems inherent in the concept, which a skillful pilot cannot cope with. So now we must rely on a computer to do the flying, and it just isn't reliable enough. Every error is a fatal error, as has been demonstrated repeatedly in this program. This craft can't glide in for a dead-stick landing, or even autogyro like a helicoper can; it just crashes and kills all aboard whenever something doesn't work as specified.<br><br>But it is still a funded govt program.<br><br>I'm wide open for other comments and criticisms from anyone else familiar with this. Set me straight; tell me it works. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Osprey

Postby Dreams End » Sat Oct 01, 2005 6:37 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> Set me straight; tell me it works.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I hope it doesn't. <p></p><i></i>
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re: A Limb ...

Postby Starman » Sat Oct 01, 2005 7:06 pm

With great principled candor Inanna wrote:<br><br>"I almost think what they really want to see is a never ending war with all sides fighting each other. <br><br>I dunno, just seems to me like they don't try real hard to NOT have situations such that things won't escalate. Maybe I am nuts or just tired today (I am tired today). <br> <br> *****<br>Precisely -- My thoughts too.<br>(And I share your tiredness, at least today.)<br>This kind of 'apology' seems to be a calculated pose --If they were sincere, one would expect that there would be serious repercusions, like people actually fired or at least held accountable -- and a public statement made to that effect. Can anyone imagine what a shitstorm of controversy and outrage would arise if an American institution or Christian Church or Jewish Synagogue were featured in such dramatic, manipulative and opportunistic manner? Where ELSE would such an ad featuring an Osprey Special Forces Rapid Deployment team be placed where public attention wouldn't trigger controversy and an apology not be necessary -- like in an exclusive, rarified cost-plus corporate environment or membership of the Military-Defense industry.<br><br>Will this ad, and attention generated, be seen in the Arab Street -- thus playing-to and aggravating further Crusades-type war-and-violence fear-and-anger reaction? Might this secondary-consequence be part of the ad-placement strategy, ie., provoking the 'adversary' and ramping-up tensions?<br><br>Jeez, I wouldn't put ANYTHING past the Globalists and Imperialists in perpetrating their perpetual war agenda for power and wealth Amen.<br><br>The ad is SO reflective of American Policy, and thus at least is honest -- while the apology is inherantly disingenuous. Like, who's REALLY being fooled, if anybody? The 'message' of American might at the service of policy could HARDLY be less ambivalent. It's like when Dubya sez most Muslims are good,decent people -- he does it with his characteristic teflon<br>smirk.<br><br>Layers upon layers, like an onion more putrid and rotten and reeking the deeper ya peel it -- the whole ediface of power and wealth is a vile, stinking corruption.<br><br>My outrage is succumbing to exhaustion, the more I see and am offended by. God, I'm weary, cause for hope seems more and more deferred every day. Still, I must plod on, believing there IS light and justice.<br>Starman<br> <br> <br> <p></p><i></i>
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recently heard theory, explains a lot

Postby glubglubglub » Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:03 pm

peak oil or no the oilfields in the middle east are probably finite. so, currently keep iraq a shambles until the saudis run out of oil (really come close to running out, but you get the idea) while menacing iran...then invade iran and let iraq get back up online, and then finally when iraq's dry set up iran...that way you stretch out the supply pinch / profit surge for much longer than if the saudis, the iraqis, and the iranians all manned the pumps at the same time.<br><br>Whatever else happens is probably icing on the cake under this theory...and I'd be surprised if something like this theory WASN'T dictating the timeline. <p></p><i></i>
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glub?

Postby Homeless Halo » Sat Oct 01, 2005 10:56 pm

one problem, glubglub:<br><br>Any military strategist who has read ONE book on past wars in the ME region would realize that it is one thing to rebuild Iraq and maintain control of its oil reserves. It is another thing entirely to maintain Iraq while invading Iran. <br><br>Not gonna happen. If it did, it would be a sure sign of mental illness, not evil genius. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: glub?

Postby dbeach » Sat Oct 01, 2005 11:51 pm

Iron fist<br><br>Welcome to the pre-Iron curtain<br><br>The USA is occopied by a fascist elite with private armies like blackwater and others like them to do their bidding.<br><br>The commies forced millions to live behind the Iron curtain til that wall came down in 1989<br><br>My wife lived under Soviet occupation and what you hear about the police state of the USSR was oh so real.<br><br>then I learn the commies are all part of the same NWO.. just another name...<br><br>WE DO NOT want that iron curtain here..<br><br>The Iron Curtain of HATE and FEAR<br><br>Boeing . WHADDA corporat bag of deceit. <p></p><i></i>
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Kurt Nimmo's take:

Postby * » Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:21 am

<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://kurtnimmo.com/?p=42">link</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>embedded links at the original<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Syria, al-Qaeda in Iraq, and Big Lies in Bushzarro World<br></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br>October 1st, 2005<br><br>As Hitler knew, “in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility,” and as the inventors of the Big Lie, the British Office of Strategic Services, realized, “if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.” Both of these propagandistic techniques are currently at work in Iraq. For instance, consider the following, reported by the Associated Press: a U.S. military offense in western Iraq, called Operation Iron Fist, is “aimed to root out al-Qaida militants who have taken hold of the village [Sadah, characterized as a “known terrorist sanctuary” by ABC News] and use it as a base for attacks on Iraqi civilians and security forces.” Operation Iron Fist is “also aimed to stop foreign fighters from entering the country from Syria and improving security in the region before Iraq’s Oct. 15 referendum on a new constitution, the military said. Sunni insurgents have vowed to derail the referendum and have launched a surge of violence that has killed at least 200 people—including 13 U.S. service members—in the past six days.”<br><br>In short, the occupation of Iraq is at least partially about “al-Qaeda” and its supposed ability to enter Iraq from Syria, a country deemed to be part of an “axis of evil” (people who hate Americans and want to kill them), and because they hate us and our “way of life” (which presumably includes democratic government), “al-Qaeda” and their Syrian backers and protectors are attempting to “derail the referendum” in Iraq through terrorism, that is to say slaughtering innocent civilians, especially Shi’ite civilians.<br><br>Hitler said the Big Lie must contain “a certain force of credibility.” However, the Big Lie at the heart of the invasion and occupation of Iraq (which has mutated at least three times) is not credible, i.e., the U.S. is engaged in a “war” against a tenacious terrorism and the focus of that struggle (promised to last a hundred years or more) is in Iraq—or more accurately, the border region between Iraq and Syria. For many, this fairy tale is credible, even though the real reason for such operations—spreading violence and fear on the border of the next target “rogue nation” in the “war on terrorism”—is transparently and absurdly obvious.<br><br>“‘We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality,” a Bush aide announced some time ago. In Bushzarro world, reality is Platonic, that is to say it is speculative and theoretical, and facts “on the ground” are meaningless. As the corporate media reports on occasion, citing Pentagon sources, there are few “foreign fighters” and virtually no “al-Qaeda militants” in Iraq. Bush’s “war on terrorism” is essentially a series of slogans—for instance, al-Qaeda hates “our freedoms… our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech” and the “terrorists’ directive commands them to kill Christians and Jews, to kill all Americans and make no distinctions among military and civilians, including women and children,” etc.—and tangible facts (the Iraqi resistance is a national liberation movement determined to expel Anglo-American occupation forces) are not allowed to penetrate this shroud of vacuous slogans and neocon shibboleths.<br><br>In a conversation with Ernst Hanfstaengl, Hitler declared there “is only so much room in a brain, so much wall space, as it were, and if you furnish it with your slogans, the opposition has no place to put up any pictures later on, because the apartment of the brain is already crowded with your furniture.” In the same way, Bush—or rather Bush’s neocon handlers and strategists (Bush is little more than a front man, a cardboard cut-out without a philosophy of his own)—has done a masterful job of crowding out objective reality in regard to Iraq and “al-Qaeda” and has replaced the intellectual furniture of many if not most Americans with a PNAC (Project for the New American Century) living room set.<br><br>Even back in August of 2003, a few months after Bush’s invasion—when we were told the invasion was all about weapons of mass destruction—the neocons employed the “al-Qaeda” ruse and linked it to Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia (the latter since characterized as the epicenter of Islamic evil and thus unofficially listed on the “axis of evil” roster). “The [Iraq-Syria] borders are quite porous, as you’d imagine, and the fact that we’ve captured a certain number of foreign fighters in Baghdad and around Iraq indicates that the ways that these people are getting into the country is from Iran and from Syria and from Saudi Arabia,” declared the neocon Richard Armitage, then Deputy Secretary of State. “Ayman al-Zawahiri, Al Qaeda’s chief ideologue, has written of the need to shift Al Qaeda’s confrontation with the US from relatively peripheral places like Afghanistan to the Middle East,” added the Christian Science Monitor.<br><br>Thus an indigenous Iraqi resistance is owned by the Jordanian “militant” Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Abu Azzam, “a major figure” in “al-Qaeda,” according to Anthony Cordesman, a former senior intelligence analyst for the US and now an “expert” on the Iraq insurgency at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, a neocon “officials-in-waiting” think tank. Azzam, who is said to be dead (and then not dead), is the “No. 2 Al Qaeda operative in Iraq, next to Zarqawi,” as Gen. Richard Myers, the outgoing chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, put it the other day. Azzam is also characterized as the emir of “al-Qaeda” operations in Baghdad.<br><br>As Hitler knew, a ceaseless stream of lies and half-truths, as disseminated by official propaganda outlets (in Nazi Germany, the Ministry for Public Enlightenment and Propaganda; in the United States, the corporate media feeding off Pentagon backgrounders), endeavor to rearrange the intellectual furniture of Americans, who now believe “al-Qaeda” is in Iraq, although they are apparently less convinced Bush’s occupation and offensive operations in Iraq (such as Operation Iron Fist or the Orwellian sounding Operation Restore Rights in Tal Afar) will defeat this illusory terrorist threat.<br><br>Of course, the United States is not fighting against “al-Qaeda in Iraq” but rather the Iraqi resistance and the “operations” (invasions) of villages near the Syrian border are designed to remind us that Bush’s “war” is a noble cause determined to defeat international terrorism before it reaches our shores. In fact, Bush and crew have long claimed Iran and Syria “harbor and assist terrorists,” including “Palestinian militant groups such as Hamas and Islamic Jihad,” as CNN reported soon after Bush’s invasion (al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad—this potpourri of disparate “terror” organizations share the same objectives, according to the neocons, and thus pose a monolithic threat, as absurd as this idea is to people who actually use their cerebral cortex).<br><br>“Even before the U.S. occupation forces settled into Saddam Hussein’s palaces in Baghdad, the neoconservatives who have set the direction of the Bush presidency’s radical foreign and military policies were looking toward Syria,” writes Tom Barry. “The road to Damascus, which is at the center of the Bush administration’s roadmap for restructuring the Middle East, doesn’t run directly from Baghdad. Its starting points are in Washington, Jerusalem/Tel Aviv, and Beirut—charted by the neoconservative think-tanks, the Christian Right, and the right-wing Zionists who move easily back and forth between Capitol Hill and the Middle East.”<br><br>Now that the Bushcons have followed Hitler’s advice to the letter—using prefabricated Big Lies to rearrange the intellectual furniture of average, often intellectually lazy Americans—the push is on to demonize Syria as the source of evil, including suicide bombings in Iraq (pay no attention to those SAS men lurking about) and the presence of “al-Qaeda” bad guys who so easily slip across the border, apparently with Bashar Assad’s blessing.<br><br>In short, Operation Iron Fist is all about destabilizing the border and setting up the pretext to conduct bombing raids against Damascus, “the center of the Bush administration’s roadmap for restructuring the Middle East.”<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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