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Re: Basra: What really happened

PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:22 pm
by antiaristo
scollon,<br>I don't think you understand.<br>She runs a PROTECTION RACKET using her control of the courts (think BCCI) and the bureaucracy (think Iraq).<br><br>Anybody that opposes her is breaking the law. They are as likely as not to be killed.<br><br>It's no coincidence that John Smith died on the same day that Anglia published the "New Team" press release. 12 May 1994.<br><br>It's no coincidence that the wholesale money launderers choose to operate from within her jurisdiction.<br><br>For a cut of the profits she provides 100 percent protection. <p></p><i></i>

Re: Basra: What really happened

PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 3:26 pm
by marykmusic
<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I'm Irish. We've got neutrality in our Constitution. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I'm jealous. Got Scot-Irish blood, of course. Came from a farming family (Croft is a real thing.) --MaryK <p></p><i></i>


PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:30 pm
by zangtang
Anti - can you gen me up on 'freeborn englishman' - or shall i google? - I take you at your word when you say 'o9fficial legal status' - but that sounds like there's a price to pay.<br><br>A man needs a country to call home <p></p><i></i>

Re: Basra: What really happened

PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 5:55 pm
by antiaristo
Mary,<br>Maybe we're cousins <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :D --><img src= ALT=":D"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>My passport is my most valued possession. I owe it my life.<br><br>zangtang,<br>Freeborn Englishman is from the days of slavery (and before that, the Feudal system). In other words the Laws of England were not the birthright of a slave, but of those born free.<br><br>I actually have two countries - England and Ireland. The former nationality is based on birth, and I was born in London. The Irish nationality is based on parentage, and my father was born in Dublin.<br><br>Not sure what you're getting at, but you might want to take a look at the English Constitution, which is the Act of Settlement.<br>The Guardian has it on-line.<br>Also I wrote a longish thread on this act, which I called the NWO Achille's Heel. It explains in detail what the royal family have done. It's on about page 7 of the Deep Politics archive (don't bother with the search function).<br><br>Feel free to ask away. I'd actually be grateful if someone could identify a flaw. 'Cos the truth is really scary. <p></p><i></i>

Power Struggle

PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:52 pm
by antiaristo
This is quite interesting, and encouraging. It suggests some resistance at last to the Windsor power-grab.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Cabinet 'still reviewing MP phone taps' <br><br>Tania Branigan and Richard Norton-Taylor<br>Monday January 16, 2006<br>The Guardian <br><br><br>John Reid, the defence secretary, yesterday confirmed that the cabinet was still considering proposals to allow MPs to be phone-tapped, following reports of a ministerial row over the issue.<br><br>The plans, which were drawn up in the light of a review of recent legislation, have brought warnings that people may feel less confident in speaking openly to their elected representative in future.<br><br>In December, Downing Street issued a written statement saying Tony Blair was considering the "possible implications" of advice from the new commissioner for the interception of communications, Sir Swinton Thomas. Whitehall sources suggested the prime minister was almost certain to approve an end to the convention that exempts MPs from a phone tap.<br><br>But Mr Reid, who is understood to oppose ending the convention, told ITV's Dimbleby Show: "Sir Swinton Thomas has made a recommendation to cabinet and cabinet quite correctly decided that this was worthy of deep reflection ... I know that neither the prime minister nor my cabinet colleagues would take such a change lightly, but the important thing is the idea does not originate with us."<br>The convention, known as the Wilson doctrine, because it was introduced by Harold Wilson in the 1960s, guarantees that MPs' phones will not be tapped by police or security services. By law, MI5 has to apply to ministers for warrants to intercept phones, emails and faxes.<br><br>"MI5 only ever applies for a warrant on the basis of threats to national security," a Whitehall official said. The suggestion is that the doctrine could have been overruled if ministers were convinced an MP posed a security risk.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href=",11026,1687393,00.html">,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>If you read my post above (1/15/06 8:57AM) you will seethe piece from the Independent - "the politics of paranoia".<br><br>You will notice that I bolded the name Sir Swinton Thomas.<br>Why did I do that?<br><br>Because he's a nobody.<br>The phonetapping of MP's is proposed by "Mr Nobody".<br><br>Now read what John Reid says:<br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>"Sir Swinton Thomas has made a recommendation to cabinet and cabinet quite correctly decided that this was worthy of deep reflection ... I know that neither the prime minister nor my cabinet colleagues would take such a change lightly, but <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>the important thing is the idea does not originate with us."</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Can you see what's going on here?<br><br>I can think of at least four other cases where a straw man is employed to get something underway, then powerful invisible forces remove any barrier to its path.<br><br>- The Niger Forgeries<br>- The founding of the Berlusconi Empire<br>- The bombing of Madrid<br>- The prosecution of Paul Burrell<br><br>This last should give some clue as to who it is that employs this modus operandi. <p></p><i></i>

Re: Power Struggle

PostPosted: Tue Jan 17, 2006 10:38 pm
by antiaristo
Is this more intimidation of MP's?<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Ousted MPs reflect on 'a situation as dreadful as success was a delight' <br><br>The Commons has heard testimony on the trauma of leaving an elite club <br><br>David Hencke<br>Tuesday January 17, 2006<br>The Guardian <br><br><br>You are a member of the country's most elite club. You enjoy many of the privileges and perks of power, combined with the moral satisfaction of being a custodian of democracy. But when you quit, either from choice or because those who put you there remove you, how do you cope with the sudden loss of status and power? At the general election last May 136 MPs left parliament. Now 22 have poured out their hearts to a Commons committee about how they have coped with the upheaval. These are some of their comments:<br><br>Peter Bradley Labour MP Wrekin 1997-2005<br>"Even for hard-bitten politicians, losing office is not a happy experience. MPs who lose their seats lose much more than their job. They also, virtually overnight and very publicly, lose their status to which they have become accustomed in their local community, access to a significant part of their social circle at Westminster ... their own sense of identity ... I have heard former colleagues liken the experience to a bereavement."<br><br>He calls for counselling "to help ex-members through the difficulties associated with defeat, which could typically include a sense of failure, loss of self esteem, fear about the future."<br><br>Tony McWalter Labour MP Hemel Hempsted 1997-2005<br>"One is left suddenly without any period of preparation to deal with a situation which is as dreadful as success was a delight. The treatment meted out is very similar to that facing employees of private companies sacked for dishonesty. The latter are required to move all personal effects and to be accompanied while they clear their desks until they leave the premises never to return. Being an MP is very similar, except that all vestige of courtesy or gratitude is entirely absent ... to move from being someone who could make a difference to people's lives to full-time job seeker is a transition few would wish to make."<br><br>Syd Rapson Labour MP Portsmouth North 1997-2005<br>"When the election was called I had no real time to say goodbye to many friends, both staff and members, and my eight years of intense closeness with them all was immediately terminated ... the intensity of my sadness is felt even though I chose to retire. I had 29 years of public service as a councillor prior to my two terms in parliament and I was also 63 years old. How much worse it must be for members of younger years who lose their seats unexpectedly."<br><br>Simon Thomas Plaid Cymru MP Ceredigion 2000-2005<br>"I can think of no decent employer who would abandon ex-employees in the way the house turns its back on ex-members. Ex-members should be given pension advice, advice on entitlement to benefits, help with job seeking, CVs, interview techniques, etc."<br><br>Some dwell on their treatment when they arrived for the last time to clear out their desks.<br><br>Linda Perham Labour MP Ilford North 1997-2005<br>"When I arrived at Portcullis House, while my possessions were for the first time in eight years being put through the security check, I started to explain who I was.<br><br>"The person at the desk did not know what to do and began telephoning someone. Meanwhile my pass was taken from me and, despite my vainly telling the security person that it was disabled, he tried to use it to operate the swing-door entrance gate.<br><br>"It of course did not work ... a discussion then ensued on whether I would be permitted to go up to my office unaccompanied ... finally, I was allowed to walk to the lift and go up on my own."<br><br>Brian Cotter Liberal Democrat MP Weston-Super-Mare 1997-2005<br>"I was expected to clear out my office in the House of Commons within seven days, indeed less. I went to the HoC on Tuesday after election day with notice to be out two days later on Thursday."<br><br>It would be wrong to say all ex-MPs complained. Many praised staff and were very happy with the arrangements. Typical was Sir Teddy Taylor, Conservative MP for Southend East, 1980-2005. "My only real problem I have had since retirement is putting on weight."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href=",,1688024,00.html">,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>So, if you join the club and lose your seat, you will be looked after. But if you do your duty, and we can force you out and you will face 'a situation as dreadful as success was a delight' <br><br> <p></p><i></i>