Two Britons in Basra killed in shootout with Iraqi police

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Two Britons in Basra killed in shootout with Iraqi police

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:46 pm

Sound <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/09/carry-on-killing.html">familiar</a><!--EZCODE LINK END-->?<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>'Britons' caught up in Iraq shootout</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Two men were burned to death in their car after a shootout with Iraqi police in the southern Iraqi city of Basra today and security officials said the victims were British citizens.<br><br>In London, a Foreign Office spokesman said he was aware of unsubstantiated reports of an incident involving non-Arabs.<br><br>A third person in the car, also believed to be a British citizen, was wounded and rushed away by police, said police Capt. Mushtaq Kadhim.<br><br>Two Iraqi policemen and two civilians also were wounded in the shooting, he said.<br><br>Britain’s Ministry of Defence said it was aware of reports of an incident in Basra and was making inquiries to establish the veracity of claims fatalities.<br><br>A ministry spokesman, speaking on customary condition of anonymity, said no British military personnel had been involved in any incident or injured today.<br><br>The Foreign Office spokesman, also speaking on condition of anonymity, said his department was aware of ”unsubstantiated reports of an incident involving non-Arabs.”<br><br><br>There was no information available to suggest British diplomats were involved, the Foreign office spokesman said.<br><br>According to Kadhim, the attack occurred around 9pm after a police patrol chased two suspicious cars and forced them to stop in the Jazaer neighbourhood of central Basra.<br><br>As policemen surrounded the cars and asked those inside for identification, one of the vehicles sped away, Kadhim said.<br><br>As the second car tried to follow, policemen opened fire, setting it on fire and killing two occupants. One person was wounded.<br><br>Shortly after the shooting and as the car was still on fire, a British military force in two armoured personnel carriers and four armoured jeeps appeared at the scene of the conflict but quickly left.<br><br>British troops are headquartered in Basra.<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.irishexaminer.com/breaking/story.asp?j=213988617&p=zy398948x&n=213989560&x=">Irish Examiner</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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The Third Man

Postby antiaristo » Mon Mar 06, 2006 8:37 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>A third person in the car, also believed to be a British citizen, was wounded and rushed away by police, said police Capt. Mushtaq Kadhim.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Wow! What will they do now?<br><br>This could be REALLY big. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Two Britons in Basra killed in shootout with Iraqi polic

Postby slimmouse » Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:37 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Sound familiar?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> If true, it sounds all too familiar. One does of course need to be aquainted with the nature of sound.<br><br> And so far the silence of our MSM in our fair and sceptred isle is deafening.<br><br> I guess we'll see <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Third Man

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Mon Mar 06, 2006 9:53 pm

I thought the earlier Basra incident should have been big, too, but the press seemed to know to fall silent pretty fast on that one. Still, we'll see. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Third Man

Postby thumperton » Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:08 pm

caught red handed <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=thumperton@rigorousintuition>thumperton</A> at: 3/6/06 7:08 pm<br></i>
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Re: The Third Man

Postby Darklo » Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:27 pm

A friend of mine is a Journo Whore for a tabloid, he says they get slapped with D-Notices all the time on stuff like this.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.dnotice.org.uk">www.dnotice.org.uk</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Noam Chomsky's "manufactured consent" is bullshit, the security services have near total control of output in this area.<br><br>In many cases the press actually contact the MOD or Foreign Office before going to press in order to ensure it wont hurt operations. They bend over b ackwards so they dont get cut out of the "leaks list".<br><br>Actually while I am at it, I used to really like Noam Chomsky, but the poor man is completley lost. He created this global conspiracy theory where no-one really is to blame, where America is a person, and its the system that makes it so. <p></p><i></i>
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The Big Difference

Postby antiaristo » Mon Mar 06, 2006 10:44 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I thought the earlier Basra incident should have been big, too, but the press seemed to know to fall silent pretty fast on that one. Still, we'll see.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br><br>That's because they destroyed half an Iraqi town to get them out.<br>The locals are learning.<br>They RUSHED him away.<br><br>Just as well, really, if the Brits came after them with SIX armoured vehicles. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Third Man

Postby StarmanSkye » Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:17 am

Darklo said:<br>"Actually while I am at it, I used to really like Noam Chomsky, but the poor man is completley lost. He created this global conspiracy theory where no-one really is to blame, where America is a person, and its the system that makes it so." <br><br>What a useful idea -- He's unworthy because he only gives names to the victims.<br><br>Actually, that's pretty close to Slimmouse's recent suggestion about changing focus from talking about the identity of perps to just discussing what terrible things are done to people -- essentially making the world's worst criminals anonymous so 'we' can eliminate laying blame, and can put all our effort into changing the nature of human society, accepting our collective responsibility for all the terrible things that happen and removing the incentive for crimes to be committed by acknowledging we're all ONE, all linked to the Whole Thang.<br><br>I'd thought perhaps that folks like Chomsky who take big risks and do original research and disseminate information typically hidden, obscured or denied, have a highly-developed sense of self-preservation, keeping just to the inside edge of the barely-acceptable Truth 'safe' zone where you don't give someone-bad in particular cause to rub them out. Way too many truth-speakers have met early ends for crossing the line of 'acceptable' or bearable information -- Perhaps Chomsky's odds-defying longevity and merely 'hostile' instead of unacceptable rep. vis-a-vis the PTB is due in larger part to his deftly-handled third-person discussion of taboo subjects than the inherant decency or honor of those he alludes to as intricate to the system of fraud, corruption, abuses, crimes and atrocities he critiques. <br><br>But why is it some people seem to expect the most earnestly-hidden, obscured and rigorously excised and 'forbidden' information be provided in neat tidy unabridged packages? Perhaps this expectation might have more traction if these same people had put themselves out-there and put the time and effort into similiar volumes of published works and had participated in likewise-innumerable lectures, conferences, debates, forums, interviews, programs and classes?<br><br>Even Amy Goodman who has put her life on the line and come within a 7-pound trigger-pull impulse by crazed murdering brutes of joining several-hundred massacre victims lying on some obscure bloodspattered dusty road in East Timor, and striven to provide a voice for the voiceless and dispossessed, is accused of being a 'gatekeeper' by many whose OWN self-sacrifice and struggle for social justice and human rights and committment to truthtelling has never left the ambiant intellectual-exercise comfort-zone of would-a/could-a/should-a dones.<br><br>(It never amazes me, but it's no-wonder the 'left', progressives, peaceniks, anti-Globalists, reformers, neo-Wobblies and who-all, aka opposition to the rightwing zealot warmonger Mafia gangster thugs etc. can't organize an effective, powerful, cohesive resistance -- nobody is ultimately, sufficiently 'acceptable' or worthy of respect and honor for playing their part in the greater struggle -- we need to find every last difference and 'wrong' we object to as reason to discredit whole swathes of fakers and false-doctrine-believers and evident disinfo agents and gatekeepers working for the 'other side' -- Is it any wonder the left has no heros or models but perhaps a few long-dead Marchers and Truthseekers who the passage of time has sufficiently sanitized to make their faults insignificant in the context of their mythologized stature as 'worthies' to inspire us.)<br><br>But: By all means -- GO for it! Line up the publishers and the radio stations, the newspapers and magazine editors, advertisers and supporters, forums and foundations and organizations who will facilitate your detailed nitty-gritty no-holds tell-all let-the-chips-fall-where-they-may Take-No-Prisoners 'They-Can't-Handle-The-Truth' REAL DEAL Low-Down with your reams and notebooks and data-tapes of highly-incriminating damning blood-cribbed notes and deathbed-confession exposes with Names-Dates-Places-Dollar-Amounts-Secret-Conversations-Hidden-Sources-Intell-Deals-Secrets-etc. to blow the lid off what and who and how and why and when and where is little-known and officially-unacknowledged, covered-up and denied and innoculated-against etc, you-know the whole schtick Chomsky and Goodman and Perkins and all the rest of the lay-down gatekeeper coward sell-outs won't talk about --<br><br>Go for it! We need a reliable sole-source for the Whole Truth!<br>and, Thanks in advance!<br>Starman <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Hey Starman.

Postby slimmouse » Tue Mar 07, 2006 12:24 am

<br> Hey Starman, I think youre being slightly economical with one basic fact here. However, to quote you ;<br><br> <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Actually, that's pretty close to Slimmouse's recent suggestion about changing focus from talking about the identity of perps to just discussing what terrible things are done to people -- essentially making the world's worst criminals anonymous so 'we' can eliminate laying blame, and can put all our effort into changing the nature of human society, accepting our collective responsibility for all the terrible things that happen and removing the incentive for crimes to be committed by acknowledging we're all ONE, all linked to the Whole Thang.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> That is a rather an ill informed, and with respect a low blow. <br> <br> And here is why;<br><br> Surely someone who can make words sing, like you can, should be able to spot difference between me and Chomsky yet ?<br><br> Or perhaps its a logic thing. Believe me when I say, Im not trying to patronise you in any way. <br><br> There are logical prose, and there are artistical/ creative prose. You have an incredible talent ( as does Jeff ) for the latter.<br><br> However, and meanwhile, ask Chomsky about 9/11.<br><br> Then ask me.<br><br> And then, follow "your instincts"<br><br> On edit. Your thoughts on the main topic Starman ? <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=slimmouse@rigorousintuition>slimmouse</A> at: 3/6/06 9:50 pm<br></i>
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The story changes

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Tue Mar 07, 2006 4:03 am

A correction, or a scrubbing?<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Two die in car after gunfight with Iraqi police</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><br>TWO men were burned to death in their car after a shoot-out yesterday with Iraqi police in the southern city of Basra.<br>Local security officials initially said the victims were British. However, last night a Foreign Office spokesman in London said no British nationals had been involved but he was aware of the involvement of "third party nationals".<br><br>He said the only British involvement had been a quick reaction force which had been deployed to the scene.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/57486.html">The Herald</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The original article was...

Postby slimmouse » Tue Mar 07, 2006 3:49 pm

<br> Apparently aired by the AFP.<br><br> The Scotsman has also run a piece on this also. These transcripts can be found on the truthseeker site. <p></p><i></i>
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distraction used again?

Postby OpLan » Tue Mar 07, 2006 6:11 pm

I remember the original soldiers-dressed-as-insurgents story..we were treated to the sight of a british tank crew being petrol bombed..I think the only time I've seen burning soldiers before then is an old Northern Ireland clip-and even then its just his foot and riot shield..in the Iraq footage,the soldier is engulfed in flames..virtually nothing was reported on the undercover soldiers.<br>This time round I think its the new video of the kidnapped aid workers.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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