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Death squads in Iraq? try the US Rangers

Postby jc » Mon May 22, 2006 6:51 am

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://mparent7777.livejournal.com/8757944.html">mparent7777.livejournal.com/8757944.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Ex -US soldier: 'If he didn't answer the way we liked, we would shoot his youngest kid in the head' <br>May 21, 2006<br>Jessie Macbeth, a Former Army Ranger and Iraq War Veteran Tells All<br><br>This 20 minute interview will change how you view the U.S. occupation of Iraq forever. I cannot possibly recommend this more highly. An Iraq war veteran tells of atrocities he and other fellow-soldiers committed reguarly while in Iraq. I have never seen this level of honesty from a U.S. soldier who directly participated in the slaughtering of Iraqis.<br><br>Excerpts:<br><br>"When we were doing the night raids in the houses, we would pull people out and have them all on their knees and zip-tied. We would ask the man of the house questions. If he didn't answer the way we liked, we would shoot his youngest kid in the head. We would keep going, this was our interrogation. He could be innocent. He could be just an average Joe trying to support his family. If he didn't give us a satisfactory answer, we'd start killing off his family until he told us something. If he didn't know anything, I guess he was SOL."<br><br>and<br><br>"For not speaking out, I feel like I'm betraying my battle-buddies that died."<br><br>Watch the video here.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog/archives/informational_posting/000394.php">dahrjamailiraq.com/weblog...000394.php</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Crossposted with commentary at 'If he didn't answer the way we liked, we would shoot his youngest kid in the head': Ex-US soldier<br><br>MARC PARENT<br>CRIMES AND CORRUPTIONS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER NEWS<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://mparent7777.livejournal.com/">mparent7777.livejournal.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/14409">www.tpmcafe.com/blog/14409</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/ccnwon">www.dailykos.com/user/ccnwon</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://mparent7777.livejournal.com/8757944.html">mparent7777.livejournal.com/8757944.html</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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more on this

Postby jc » Mon May 22, 2006 6:57 am

<br><br>Ð If some people came into America, a huge foreign army doing the crap that we did to them, I would just like them do the same back.<br><br>ÔCause people have the right to fight for their families and for their country, especially if we're teroorizing someone's country, they have the right to fight back.<br><br>Ð We'd do that to several housesÉ slaughtering, you know, thirty-forty people a night sometimes, doing houses, women and children.<br><br>Ð We were ordered to go into a mosque, this really hurts me a lot man, my nightmares come from this most times. We were ordered to go into a mosque, man, and these people were doing some kind of late night prayer. They don't usually don't do a late night prayerÉ We infiltrated the mosque ahead of time. We all posted up there and we waiting for them to come in. 'S like maybe a couple hundred people are just praying, all ages, women and men. While in their prayer we start slaughtering them, start shooting them, started taking them out.<br><br>Then É we'd hang their bodies from the rafters in the mosque and write stuff on the wall, you know, and tell them, you know: You're not safe, leave hereÉ My country turned me into the very same thing we're trying to fight against. You knowÉ now that I look back at it, we are the terrorists. We're the ones terroizing the country, a whole nation of people.<br><br>Ð Our job was just: Kill, kill, kill.<br><br>Ð You know the death toll of Iraqis? It's not what they say in the news. It's like hundreds of thousands of people. I didn't know that many people can die and be hidden from the world!<br><br>Ð It's like mass genocide.<br><br>Ð If I have to fight again man, it'd be to take that asshole out of office.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8988839271260945473&q=jessie+macbeth">video.google.com/videopla...ie+macbeth</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://mparent7777.livejournal.com/8757944.html">mparent7777.livejournal.com/8757944.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.peacefilms.org/">www.peacefilms.org/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/14409">www.tpmcafe.com/blog/14409</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.dailykos.com/user/ccnwon">www.dailykos.com/user/ccnwon</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>www.ivaw.net<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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oops, sorry, dupe. didn't see it was already posted.

Postby jc » Mon May 22, 2006 6:58 am

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Re: epiphany

Postby AlicetheCurious » Mon May 22, 2006 11:07 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>we are the terrorists<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: epiphany

Postby sunny » Mon May 22, 2006 11:25 am

Alice, you speak absolute truth. But you know, that means we hate America. For my part? So be it. <p></p><i></i>
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Military Culture of Brutality and Violence

Postby StarmanSkye » Mon May 22, 2006 7:36 pm

Thought this commentary below by a Vietnam Veteran appropo, piercing the question of how brutality and violence for its own sake is encouraged and perpetuated thru the macho military culture, and sentiments that build on psychological dispositions and cultural mores, especially an exaggerated sense of might-makes-right privelege, moral entitlement and common self-defense fears. <br><br>How else to explain the 'doctrine' of Free Fire Zones where EVERYTHING was a legitimate target, or the routine killing of enemy wounded and prisoners, the blending of civilian and armed enemy, the destruction of crops and livestock and villages, and the routine use of truly horrific weapons with indiscriminate effect -- like cluster bombs and Agent Orange and mines. <br><br>Since these and other atrocities that characterized the US Military's 'anything goes' doctrine were never really challenged by Congress or the American citizens, it's inevitable the same issues would continue to dog the military's actions in successive conflicts -- as happened in Bosnia, Herzegovina and greater Yugoslavia with the US's horrific, entirely politically-motivated bombing and subsidizing Islamic terrorists, air-strikes reproduced on a smaller scale in Panama, the semi-official torture, kidnapping and mass-arrests approved by the Pentagon and CIA and White House, and now the documented war-crimes of the US military in Afghanistan and Iraq (AND covert-ops terrorism in Iran and numerous false-flag bombings and assassinations and death-squads in dozens of nations).<br><br>And too, this brutal culture glorifying violence and force is evident in our prisons and in the actions of Police in confronting political-activists, and anti-war and anti-globalist protesters.<br><br>This latest confession by a Ranger describing late-night home invasions and summary killings of civilians in pursuit of 'information' isn't a one-off damning report, but is part of a well-documented pattern of atrocities and war-crime abuses that is part of almost every violent conflict, but especially where enormous miscalculations, mistakes, abysmal planning, errors and poor leadership have become endemic -- as is the case in Iraq. The US's early failure to take the initiative and provide adequate security and support for local Iraqi police have greatly contributed to creating the current situation of rampant crime and sectarian murders, in which the US military is now at such a disadvantage I doubt it can EVER reclaim the initiative. <br><br>Such horrific mismanagement as we've seen in Iraq is SO atrocious it can scarcely be argued this was entirely accidental and NOT the purpose of the Bush Regime and Pentagon all along -- thus creating an out-of-control crisis that encourages indicriminate violence and atrocities. In a just world, the top US political and military officials would be prosecuted for grevious human and civil rights crimes, with serious hard-time and seizure of their assets as partial reparations and punitive economic judgements.<br>Starman<br>******<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.vvaw.org/veteran/article/?id=125">www.vvaw.org/veteran/article/?id=125</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>Delivering Death Like Mail: Confessions of a REMF<br>By Horace Coleman<br>[Printer-Friendly Version]<br><br>Recently I saw an interesting e-mail on the VVAW list. Someone was doing a dissertation and wondered if anyone would comment on the correlation between the "brutalization" of basic training and atrocities in 'Nam. I told her why I thought atrocities happen:<br><br>Defense / expansion of "the American way of life" <br>Desire to accomplish the mission <br>Desire to create and maintain a positive image with peers, and to meet norms and the expectations of superiors <br>Education / interpretation of history & recent events <br>Emotional coarsening and the deadening of feelings <br>Fear <br>Frustration <br>Ideology <br>Ignorance <br>Individual and group psychopathology <br>Patriotism (chauvinism) / indoctrination <br>Professionalism (military type) <br>Rabid anti-communism (even if you didn't really know what that was or that it might actually and temporarily be better then what someone currently had) <br>Racism <br>Religion <br>Revenge <br>Self-preservation; exaggerated definition of threats to personal and national security <br>Xenophobia <br><br>Of course the basic reason is lack of control, and insufficient leadership and character. After all, you're supposed to "kill clean"; that's the moral, mentally efficient and professional thing to do. . . .<br><br>The very existence of war is an atrocity. "Brutalization" begins with childhood acculturation into society.<br><br>Whatever reasons and justifications a society has for using physical force are expanded and amplified in wartime. Violence is only lastly physical, though. Mental preparation comes first.<br><br>Ignorance fuels abstraction. Fear, xenophobia, racism, ethnocentrism, the desire to avenge fallen buddies, not letting "the other guys" down and "keeping the faith" cause terrible things. Young men in groups, with or without weapons and official authorization, are capable of terrible things anyway. Think skinheads, soccer hooligans, and the NYC groups that harassed young women at a street fair.<br><br>Aircraft temporarily under my "control" as an intercept director / air traffic controller routinely used napalm, .50 caliber machine guns, the notorious cluster bomb units (CBUs) and high explosive bombs. Irony: many American servicemen are alive because of the authorized and unauthorized air strikes (ad hoc missions not ordered by the chain of command) I coordinated. Many VC died - along with countless Vietnamese civilians who weren't engaged in acts of war but were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.<br><br>There's a photograph I took way down in the Delta. In it you can see an intense young Vietnamese man, an infant (his son), and a US army doctor. The child had been given penicillin for an infection. No one knows it but he is allergic to the drug. He will die shortly. You can't see that his father is missing an arm above the elbow.<br><br>He lost it in combat. He used to be a soldier in the ARVN (the Army of the Republic of Vietnam). You can't see that the amputee is a widower. The family rice paddy was in a "free fire zone." Anyone found there could be killed on sight. His wife was working there when killed by fire from an American helicopter. Xin loi.<br><br>I don't know exactly who I helped kill. The citation accompanying the low-ranking Bronze Star medal I received (Meritorious Service) says I'm credited with 99 aircraft saves and rescues. That's not right.<br><br>There were more. Hanna Arendt was right, though - evil is banal. And very human. Israeli troops and settlers gunning down Arab rock-throwers or Arab suicide bombers, Africans hacking off the lips or arms of people from "enemy tribes," Boston Irish mobsters "taking out" someone for $$$, Latino gang-bangers killing for the right to sell dope on certain corners, Crips and Bloods "putting in work" or cops "fearing for" their lives all have something in common. Some drunken yahoo decides to drag someone to death behind a pick-up truck. Any excuse will do. Maybe that's why the phrase "wasting" someone came about.<br><br>We've evolved into using "better" tools, but we haven't evolved much morally. Leaving work the other day, some smartass saw me closing my backpack.<br><br>"You don't have a gun in there do you?" he said in a smarmy tone.<br><br>"Not today," I said.<br><br>The fool kept at it. "Oh, too scared to use one?"<br><br>"Nope: too smart to."<br><br>I didn't tell him what I really thought, which was: Some people aren't worth the trouble to kill them.<br>*****<br>Horace Coleman is a veteran, poet and writer living in California.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Military Culture of Brutality and Violence

Postby greencrow0 » Mon May 22, 2006 8:18 pm

<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The War the Media is Not Reporting — An Iraqi Veteran</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> Speaks Out Printer-Friendly<br>E-Mail This <br> <br>Apr 26, 2006 <br>By Justice <br> <br>Jesse Macbeth, formerly a Special Forces Ranger in Iraq, is now active with Iraq Veterans Against the War in Tacoma, Washington. The Rangers are elite units sent door-to-door in Iraq to combat the insurgency. They were also sent into Fallujah to crush all opposition to the occupation of that city. Justice recently interviewed Jesse. <br><br>How did you end up in the military? <br>I grew up on the streets. I got into trouble for fighting. The same judge that I'd been dealing with my whole life told me that I wouldn't have to do adult time if I signed up for the military immediately. Sometimes I kinda wish I went to jail instead. <br><br><br>How did you become a Special Forces Ranger? <br>Basic training was easy for me. Growing up on the streets, I was used to running from cops. I was used to not eating for days. I got picked to go to Ranger School. <br><br><br>What did your division do? <br>I was in the Third Ranger Battalion. Our job was to strike fear in the hearts of the Iraqi people. <br><br><br>We would go into people's houses and plow down entire families. We would interrogate people. If we didn't like the answers that they gave, then we would kill the youngest child. If they gave more answers that we didn't like, then we'd move on to the rest of the family. They could've been innocent people. <br><br><br>We would leave the bodies in the streets and blame it on the Shi'ites or the Sunnis. [In Fallujah] we were ordered to go into mosques and slaughter people while they were praying. I won't go into full detail because I'm still haunted by the memories. <br><br><br>What was the assault on Fallujah like? <br>Fallujah is where we slaughtered people in mosques. We provoked the people there. Some people escaped from the mosques and saw us. We would dig holes and leave mass graves of children, women, and old men. We were ordered to let people die on the street. We were told that the Geneva Convention means nothing to us in combat. <br><br><br>We were ordered to fire on peaceful protesters in Fallujah. Somebody threw a rock at us, and an officer said that he thought it was a grenade. Then we were ordered to fire. When it's daylight in Iraq, it's daylight! Nobody really thought it was a grenade. <br><br><br>What medals did you get in Iraq? <br>I got a lot. I got a purple heart. Half of them, I don't remember. I got five or six medals just for landing. I got a bronze star. <br><br><br>What injuries did you get? <br>I got stabbed many times. I got shrapnel in my knee. I got shot in the back. <br><br><br>What do you think is the role of the U.S. in Iraq? <br>The military is terrorists there. Soldiers thought we were going to fight terrorism, but we became the terrorists. We were told we were going to liberate the country and find weapons of mass destruction. The real aim is to have the U.S. own the country. The U.S. wants oil. <br><br><br>How has the government treated you since you got back? <br>Like shit. I hate them. I'm not gonna be a terrorist or anything, but I hate them. They killed my battle brothers. They used me. They messed me up. They didn't care about me. They turned me into a beast, a machine. <br><br><br>What Veteran's benefits have you gotten? <br>I ain't getting nothing. A card and that's it. <br><br><br>Where do you work? <br>I'm an Iraq vet, and I work at Wendy's. <br><br><br>How did you get involved in IVAW? <br>Veteran's Affairs told me they had no money for me. I always knew the war was fucked up, but that motivated me to say something about it. The government throws us away. They did the same thing after Vietnam. <br><br><br>Why do you think people should get involved in the antiwar movement? <br>Because it's gotta stop. Innocent people are getting killed. Bush says we have to stay the course and that it's hard work. Bush doesn't know what work is. <br><br><br>Anything else you want to say? <br>Yeah. The news here is controlled. The military lets information out that serves their purposes. We slaughtered a sovereign nation. Reporters got killed. <br><br><br>When I was growing up, everyone thought I'd be a criminal, but they were wrong. I'm gonna be one of the leaders of the revolution.<br> <br> <p></p><i></i>
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jesse macbeth a fraud

Postby jc » Tue May 23, 2006 12:12 pm

now i'm hearing jesse macbeth is a fraud.<br><br>anyone else? with info? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: jesse macbeth a fraud

Postby Dreams End » Tue May 23, 2006 12:18 pm

I was just going to caution. There was a c.o. who was going around saying similar things (much lower level) who turned out to be lying. Not that I don't assume these things are happening, but putting out some fake "confessions" and then debunking them would be a good tactic of confusion. I don't know about this particular guy, though. <p></p><i></i>
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