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Private Jacob Kovco

Postby wintler » Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:42 am

This is big news in Australia, starting a thread here cos the story just keeps gets stranger. <br><br>Instant synopsis is Australian soldier dies in Iraq of gunshot wound to the head, either accidental or self inflicted, while in his room with two comrades. The Aus. Defence Minister Brendan Nelson proceeds to make conflicting statements to the press about how he died, as Kovco's body is mislaid and the body of a Serbian man mistaken flown back to Australia. The Kovco family (from Sale in Victoria) are sheilded from the media by soldiers from Kovcos unit and they receive an apology from Prime Minister John Howard.<br><br>Today, the first day of ADF inquiry, we hear that Kovco had dreamt and written of his death exactly a month before hand. (link to Murdoch-owned) Australian Newpaper<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,19515488-1702,00.html">www.theaustralian.news.co...02,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Fallout so far is kicking Kenyon International off the ADF repatriation contract and redoubled advertising to up recruitment of cannon fodder. Everything seems to be going wrong for the gov./ADF on this, my bet is all parties will try to ignore the story to death. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby wintler » Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:59 am

Ahem, corrections so far:<br>it was a Bosnian mans remains, not Serbian, that were mistakenly flown to Aus. instead of Kovco. <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://webdiary.com.au/cms/?q=node/1438">webdiary.com.au/cms/?q=node/1438</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> , also has the family questioning the official story).<br>Also the Kovco's are from Brigalong in Victoria, not very far from but certainly not in Sale. <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.roadtosurfdom.com/index.php/2006/05/05/is-this-true/">www.roadtosurfdom.com/ind...this-true/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>points out that Kovco's funeral was uniquely honoured with the attendance of PM Howard AND Defence Minister Nelson, tho that could be just naked opportunism on both their parts.<br><br>I have no strong view of what did or is happening with this 1st uniformed death in Iraq (we've also lost a couple of mercanaries, and have admitted to have killed at least three civilian Iraqis). <br>I get vertigo considering this one mans death against the 2500+ US soldiers, + merc's + 3rd country contractors, plus of course the benighted Iraqi people, now at least tens of thousands fewer since fredom and democracy came their way. My tinfoil hat tells me maybe normalising the vertigo is the point, embedding the Aussie/the rest differentiaion.<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Private Jacob Kovco

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Jun 19, 2006 2:07 am

Its amazing isn't it.<br><br>Poor family, I feel for them.<br><br>Not just to lose someone in those circumstances.<br><br>Lest we forget - I think that the pisspoor performance is such an insult to the family. the government had forgotten.<br><br>I dunno about specultion on this matter either. He's the only dead Aussie soldier so far. And he died just after the announcement of the next phase of the Aussie deployment.<br><br>Thats why Nelson and Howard were at the funeral. Cos they stuffed up big time. Not cos they actually care.<br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=joehillshoist>Joe Hillshoist</A> at: 6/19/06 12:40 am<br></i>
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re:Private Jacob Kovco

Postby rain » Mon Jun 19, 2006 6:48 am

<br>Kovco- Wrong Body Was Halliburton Contractor<br><br>Submitted by Richard Tonkin on May 19, 2006 - 7:02pm.<br><br>The body sent to Australia in the place of a fallen soldier was that of a Halliburton contractor from Bosnia. The Kellogg, Brown and Root employee was finally buried last Friday, a month after he died.<br><br>Halliburton have indicated that they will pay compensation to the family of Juso Sunanovic, who the company claims died of a brain hemorrage while playing table tennis in Iraq.<br><br>The revelation is the latest in a situation filled with procedural errors. Pte Jake Kovco's body was moved from the scene of death before MP inspection on orders from the commander of Australian armed forces in Iraq despite an MP command that the location remain undisturbed for investigation purposes. After being ceremonially escorted to a waiting plaine, his body was accidentally substituted with that the Halliburton employee.<br><br><br>A report of the incident was accidentally left by an Australian Brigadier at Melbourne airport, from where it felll into the hands of a local journalist<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://webdiary.com.au/cms/?q=node/1438">webdiary.com.au/cms/?q=node/1438</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: re:Private Jacob Kovco

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Jun 19, 2006 7:02 am

As bad as it was for the Kovco family, at least they got their boy back before that fella got home. He was a bit older I think, possibly around 50.<br><br>I have seen a few old blokes who have come back from Iraq as private security cotractors, interviewed. they are all over 40. Whats going on - Dads army.<br><br>"Halliburton have indicated that they will pay compensation to the family of Juso Sunanovic, who the company claims died of a brain hemorrage while playing table tennis in Iraq."<br><br>They mentioned he died of a stroke on the report I saw. I know its basically a semantic difference, but a fifty year old bloke having a stroke playing table tennis is not as unlikely as it sounds at first.<br><br>they never mentioned the Haliburton connection on the media reports I saw, just a private contractor.<br><br>So as soon as I hear he works for Haliburton I have to wonder...<br><br>How the fuck did one of their bodies end up confused with one of ours?<br><br>I doubt they pay money to someone else to remove bodies, although we heard the contractor hired to return the bodies was a Kenyan company.<br><br>So we are basically paying Haliburton (maybe not maybe the Kenyan thing is legit and independant) to ship home our dead in a war that basically exists for their financial benefit.<br><br>We are paying them for the privilege of fighting their grubby little war.<br><br>Clever country my arse. <p></p><i></i>
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'...the kenyan thing..'

Postby rain » Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:06 am

I'm assuming that it's this Kenyon, um, thing...<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.kenyoninternational.com/index.php">www.kenyoninternational.com/index.php</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: '...the kenyan thing..'

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:14 am

Ah Kenyon.<br><br>I just had a Homer Simpson moment. Might be time to get my ears(or brain) cleaned out.<br><br><br><br>The inquiry into Kovco's body and the debacle that surrounded its return home, started today.<br><br>Tonight on lateline they had something a bit weird from kovco's diary.<br><br>One month before he died he had a dream about shooting himself in the head with his pistol. Apparantly it was pretty close to what happened that fateful day.<br><br>There were quotes from his journal, including something about how surprised he was at this dream, because he had no desire to kill himself whatsoever.<br><br>And apparantly he was in hiigh spirits just before it happened.<br><br>The dream is weird, but then again in the context of Iraq, maybe not.<br><br>The Aussies have it fairly easy in Iraq, (well had they've redeployed) being somewhere relatively peaceful. But maybe there's something in the air over there. Besides DU st.<br><br>There should be a transcript <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://abc.net.au/lateline/" target="top">here</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> in about 12 hours from now. And other media goodies prolly. <p></p><i></i>
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just not tennis

Postby rain » Mon Jun 19, 2006 12:57 pm

ok, so I'll agree it's not that off the scope for a middle -aged man to suffer a brain lesion, although this would usually be a stroke, not fatal. <br>and it's not that unusual for anyone to have a self- prophetic dream. often these are interpreted as timely warnings. altho, it's interesting that it's introduced as evidence.<br>but there is just so much 'strange' in this case.<br>kinda made me go hmmmm, along the lines of -<br><br>'...according to Dr. Carl Sanders, who invented the <br>intelligence-manned interface (IMI) biotic, which is injected into <br>people. (Earlier during the Vietnam War, soldiers were injected with the <br>Rambo chip, designed to increase adrenaline flow into the <br>bloodstream.) The 20-billion-bit/second supercomputers at the U.S. <br>National Security Agency (NSA) could now "see and hear" what soldiers <br>experience in the battlefield with a remote monitoring system (RMS). ...'<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.iahf.com/other/20021227.html">www.iahf.com/other/20021227.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>am I cynical enough to think that someone thought the 'little sheriff' could use some pr to galvanize patriotic sentiment. you bet.<br>guess we'll just have to wait and see which way the winds blow.<br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: just not tennis

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Jun 19, 2006 1:22 pm

Yeah its plausible.<br><br>But it didn't exactly go to plan. as usual I spose.<br><br>Although I wouldn't want to go shouting about it too much either unless I had some pretty shit hot evidence. Just cos of what his family has been through. Grief does funny things to people. They could be really offended by such an idea, and simply cos they are grieving.<br><br>I wouldn't bother too much about the inquiry. One more joke in an ever growing list of old bad and boring jokes.<br><br>On a slightly different tac:<br>I sometines think there are spirits or something nasty that hunts for suicides. i know a lot of people who have had suicidal impulses at one time or another. Many say it happened only once or twice, usually in places where the opportunity was there, and often just to see what it was like.<br><br>I am surprised by how many people I have heard say something similar has "possessed" them at times. Most of them say they are not suicidal, and have had some pretty bad times, but still not suicidal, some I know have a very strong will to live.<br><br>I have had a similar thing myself, out of the blue, and for no good reason. On a train platform as my train was coming, it was pretty close too. I so nearly fell. That was kinda freaky. <p></p><i></i>
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re:just not tennis

Postby rain » Mon Jun 19, 2006 2:07 pm

ok. yes, Joe, I know about the 'spirits', altho that term makes me cringe.<br><br>but I don't think Jake suicided, and his mother seems damn sure it wasn't an accident.<br><br>that report getting 'found' by a journo is also indicative of other 'glitches' in the system.<br><br>what's also interesting is the 'timing'. Cindy Sheehan's visit comes to mind.<br>but notedly, at least from where I sit (lol. roughly half way between Melbourne and Sale) in the last week or so there's been a supposedly grass-roots upswing in the local media. eg: lovely pictures of three of four generations standing in front of anzac monuments.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: re:just not tennis

Postby chiggerbit » Mon Jun 19, 2006 2:47 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>....there's been a supposedly grass-roots upswing in the local media. eg: lovely pictures of three of four generations standing in front of anzac monuments.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><br>Maybe you should consider the possibility that your government is tenderizing the public mind to accept deeper involvement in the Middle East. Consider "mind sets", such as had been mentioned by Eugene Dinkin prior to Kennedy's assassination:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=4733.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...4733.topic</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>"....Dinkin advised that while stationed in Europe with the U.S. Army in 1963, he had begun a review of several newspapers including the Stars and Stripes as an exercise in psychological sets. He explained that he had taken courses in psychology at college and was extremely interested in this subject matter. He advised that psychological sets was a term referring to a series of events, articles, etcetera which, when coupled together, set up or induce a certain frame of mind on the part of a person being exposed to the series. He stated that this method of implanting an idea was much in use by the Madison Avenue advertising people who attempted to influence one who was expos- ed to these psychological sets to buy the product being advertised, whether this produce was physical or an idea.<br><br>Dinkin stated that while so reviewing the newspapers for psychological sets he discovered that Stars and Stripes, as well as certain unidentified Hearst newspapers, were carrying a series of psychological sets which he believed were deliberately maneuvered to set up a subconscious belief on the part of one reading these papers to the effect that President John F. Kennedy was soft on communism or perhaps a communist sympathizer. Further study of these newspapers and the psychological sets contained therein made it evident to Mr. Dinkin that a conspiracy was in the making by the military of the United States, perhaps combined with an ultra-right economic group, to make the people of the United States believe that President Kennedy was, in fact, a communist sympathizer and further, that this same group planned to assassinate the President and thus was preparing these psychological sets to pave the way for this assassination to the point where the average citizen might well feel that President Kennedy was sympathetic to communism and should have been killed. In addition, Dinkin believed the psychological sets were adjusted to present a subliminal predisposition to the effect that a communist would assassinate President Kennedy....."<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: re:just not tennis

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Jun 20, 2006 12:40 am

So you are somewhere in or round gippsland, cool.<br><br>Thats beautiful country, ground wave transmitters or not.<br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>but I don't think Jake suicided, and his mother seems damn sure it wasn't an accident<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Yeah mothers can often have an intuively accurate sense of these things.<br><br>Most people who have anzac ancestors and actually listened to them are anti war, I find. I should know...<br><br>But the media never is.<br><br>I find it interesting that the latest Fed labour argiements about withdrawing for Iraq are in the context of expecting further involvement in the South Pacific and Asia. <p></p><i></i>
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yes

Postby smithtalk » Wed Jun 21, 2006 12:40 am

its been going on for years, every anzac day the hype gets bigger, the media coverage gets bigger, <br>murdoch produces huge lift outs gloryfyng war,<br>that scum john howard had been pushing this barrow hard,<br><br>and brendan nelson is terrifying, looks like leiland palmer from twin peaks after he's been consumed by bob,<br><br>this year i had a friend ask me if i was going to the dawn service, i said no, why would i?, and asked if he was,<br>he said " yeah i think i will this year, i've never been before but i just feel like i want to this year"<br>i was amazed, propoganda in action <p></p><i></i>
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Postby wintler » Wed Jun 21, 2006 1:20 am

<br>Current MSM coverage is tending to the 'prank gone wrong' theory, despite earlier testimony that Kovco was very professional and adept at handling weapons and was never seen fooling around with guns before.<br><br>The song Kovco & two comrades (whose names and faces we can't know) were laughing about seconds before he died was The Cranberries 'Dreams', a spooky reminder of Kovco's journal entry, exactly a month before he died, describing a dream of shooting himself in the head. <br><br>Kovco apparently kept a very detailed journal, and hoped to write a book about his experiences in Iraq. The entry on the dream is the only part of the journal that has yet been made public, and yesterday pm session was closed entirely to the public. <br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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re: yes

Postby rain » Wed Jun 21, 2006 1:44 am

chiggers. just what I was alluding to.<br><br>first they lull 'em with the 'aw shucks' family snuggles/patriotism thing.<br><br>then they'll whack with a 'gawd damn' motivational exercise.<br><br>oh wait. is that what happened?<br><br>lol, joe. yep to all a.a.<br><br>smiths, very funny and apt T.P. reference.<br>but, this feels different. like we're all about to get swamped by a really big wave.<br>refer to Joe's 'expecting (hah! planning) further involvement'.<br><br>one of the better, indicative of the level of, analyses I've heard, was when one of the locals confided that he didn't quite trust that new bloke in the white house 'cos his eyes were too close together.<br><br>shouldn't take too much manure to raise a fresh crop of fodder.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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