Judy Wood

[stevenwarran]

"Look at it this way: Wouldn't the tops of the buildings, which was the mass whose weight provided the dynamic force that along with gravity did the "work" of whatever you call what happened to the buildings that day, when that mass got down to the end of its ride, wouldn't it then break apart or something, but at least, the top portions of the buildings would present as debris different than the debris of that portion that underwent pancake-ification? And be sitting on top of the pile of other stuff?"

An appealing humility requests me to ask--am I missing anything here?

I appreciate the humility, insofar as I assume it is genuine and not some cheap rhetorical device. However, I think you are indeed missing two things. Firstly there was a large debris pile, and secondly it is quite possible that a lot of material collapsed below ground level into the vast seven floor basement. Since the basement was big enough for an underground station and a shopping mall and much else besides, it probably had room for some of that debris.

Hammer of Los, you quote me without addressing my point, which had nothing to do with the amount of debris, or where it was stored, but rather, the debris from the top sections of the buildings would have been non-pulverized and would present as distinctly different than what was underneath it.

I agree with you, it's best not to get hung up on unanswerable questions, but this isn't that. Do you see how we've moved from thermite to mini-nukes to fourth-generation nukes? What do you think might be next? Who do you think is steering that direction? Do you think it would be happening without her? Where do you think we will end up? That we are not there at the moment is understood.

Oh, I'm sorry to say, upon reflection, it was a cheap rhetorical device. Busted.

[OpLan]

As for "paid whores," you're right; I am wrong. It is overkill; "shill" would have done nicely

I suggest you read the T&C, you obnoxious little toad.

micro nukes were mentioned because thats what deagle and jones are discussing.I can't be arsed actually finding the video for you, because you aren't interested anyway. "jones deagle micro nukes" in the google video search engine should bring up the relevent video.
I mentioned the vid to illustrate that lumps of unexploded thermite have been found,not to promote more exotic weapons.In fact Jones again shows that micro nukes are unlikely.Tritium levels in mud samples from the hudson river are higher in layers predating 911.

So, our positions are moving closer together are they?

No.They most certainly are not.You are advocating bullshit pseudo-science advocated by disreputable shysters like Woods and Fetzer.
Their theory has been demolished by Jenkins and his peers.

Just a quiet observation: it's the energy of relentlessness that marks your camp, just like it marks the Zionists

lmfao@you.

Might you apply that same observation to the 6-minute video under discussion?

MmmmNope...its a simple debunking of woods insane ideas.
They have no merit whatsoever.she is nothing but a fraud.
In fact,as the video maker points out,she debunks herself on her own clumsy website.

implication behind a directed-energy weapon would hold the United States government as responsible

Plenty of existing evidence does that anyway.The proven existence of unexploded thermite in wtc samples for starters.Which is what Woods and Fetzer are trying to discredit and distract from with this exoW cobblers.

[Jeff]

You know, when you guys gang up on Dr. Woods like that it offends my sense of chivalry AND it exposes you as agenda-driven paid whores.

You ought to take OpLan's advice and acquaint yourself with the posting guidelines if you wish to remain a member of this community: "Beyond trolling and disruption, posts subject to deletion or locking will be those which...suggest a poster is purposefully spreading disinformation. If you have suspicions, contact me."

Also please take note: "Advocating or advancing theories contending that no planes whatsoever struck the WTC is discouraged, and such threads will be subject to locking, moving to the Fire Pit, or deletion."

[stevenwarran]

Let me see, "obnoxious little toad" is acceptable, while "agenda-driven paid whore" is not? Frankly my term of derision, being non-anthropomorphic, is also less ad hominem.


Not to worry Jeff, I'll get while the getting is good. After having exposed you as eminently non-rigorous, non-intellectual, non-rational, frightened, pained, beholden, and...twisting.....slowly......in the wind. You will never dare claim independence of mind from here on out. A high-tone establishment gatekeeper. Well, here's my nickel. So long.

[OpLan]

This is one of, if not The Best, forums on the net.

The rule against accusing somebody of being a shill,agenda driven whore,in the same camp as Zionists, is such an effective rule.It makes all the difference.You have to exert some considerable effort to make your point resonate.Pouting and whingeing in your own blog won't win you Kudos here.If you are Sincere in your quest for truth,You will take the criticism to your pet theory,and counter it with solid rigorous thinking to either bolster your pet theory,or reject it,due to superior deduction.

I apologise completely for calling you an obnoxious liitle toad.It was simply a reaction to your own insults.I am most certainly not some kind of agent.I was reacting to your own insults.You aren't addressing the evidence.

No Plane Theory is a total Fraud.I admit there is something iffy about the video we were shown,but I attribute that to either the MSM being so incompetent that they didnt capture the events of that shitty mornig,or the 'planes that hit the towers were'nt commercial..

come back and fight your corner.
I'm just a dumb working class kid from a slagheap in North East England,who never heard the name "tesla" in 10 years of english primary education.If you can't convince me,your theory is not sea worthy.

I love you man.and theres nothing you can say to make me refute that emotion.Ilove you.

[stevenwarran]

Alright, I'm over my little snit. I'm not sure how much "debate" I can undertake under the conditions imposed, but be that as it may.

I can provide a link to a new blog, what I consider to be rational, like all my work, not pouty or whiny. A minor effort, but maybe one more chink to crack open a mind--or a heart.

Idaho Senator Larry Craig & Depleted Uranium

I never meant to appear blithe in promoting this theory. It is an extremely difficult position to arrive at, involving enormous psychic, emotional, and physical pain--the physical part being easiest; like heart attacks and pounding headaches, and missing limb syndrome. It ravaged every belief and concept I ever formed or held, but eventually I found a God of suitable size to assist and all else is secondary.

But I am not happy doing this.

So I can understand how people can hold onto the official version of 9-11 with every breath that they have, even with so little logic, and no physical evidence on their side. I am reminded that people suffering more than me are the former fans and allies of George Bush. They experience the same looming realities as I do, the same fear and dread, but oftentimes they are getting shot at and blown up in the bargain.

Op Lan, I didn't think the point in life is to carry ones slagheap forward with them, but rather to leave it behind as an honorable reference point. You were not a gentleman in your treatment of Dr. Judy Wood, you were none of the things you proffer as advice to me. I see your cataclysmically closed mind and virulent condemnation of her considered opinion for what it is: pride that goeth before the fall, and methinks thou doth protest too much.

My behavior here has been pretty appalling. I struck the wrong tone both because I'm not used to taking myself seriously, let alone other people, and because I am very afraid of what this all means and what it is leading to. I am sorry my personality got in the way of a message much larger than me, which is sourced outside me.

You Op Lan, are a skilled communicator when you want to be one. I was touched and moved by your post. It left me not knowing what do actually. This is the best I can do at the moment. I apologize to you and the board and await inspiration. Maybe it will come from you.

[stevenwarran]

Alright, I'm over my little snit. I'm not sure how much "debate" I can undertake under the conditions imposed, but be that as it may.

I can provide a link to a new blog, what I consider to be rational, like all my work, not pouty or whiny. A minor effort, but maybe one more chink to crack open a mind--or a heart.

Idaho Senator Larry Craig & Depleted Uranium

I never meant to appear blithe in promoting this theory. It is an extremely difficult position to arrive at, involving enormous psychic, emotional, and physical pain--the physical part being easiest; like heart attacks and pounding headaches, and missing limb syndrome. It ravaged every belief and concept I ever formed or held, but eventually I found a God of suitable size to assist and all else is secondary.

But I am not happy doing this.

So I can understand how people can hold onto the official version of 9-11 with every breath that they have, even with so little logic, and no physical evidence on their side. I am reminded that people suffering more than me are the former fans and allies of George Bush. They experience the same looming realities as I do, the same fear and dread, but oftentimes they are getting shot at and blown up in the bargain.

Op Lan, I didn't think the point in life is to carry ones slagheap forward with them, but rather to leave it behind as an honorable reference point. You were not a gentleman in your treatment of Dr. Judy Wood, you were none of the things you proffer as advice to me. I see your cataclysmically closed mind and virulent condemnation of her considered opinion for what it is: pride that goeth before the fall, and methinks thou doth protest too much.

My behavior here has been pretty appalling. I struck the wrong tone both because I'm not used to taking myself seriously, let alone other people, and because I am very afraid of what this all means and what it is leading to. I am sorry my personality got in the way of a message much larger than me, which is sourced outside me.

You Op Lan, are a skilled communicator when you want to be one. I was touched and moved by your post. It left me not knowing what do actually. This is the best I can do at the moment. I apologize to you and the board and await inspiration. Maybe it will come from you.