Isn't this the company Dov Zahkeim ran?

by **darkbeforedawn** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 10:04 am

posted at Humint Events online. I am wondering, is this the same company Dov Zahkeim was CEO of before he was comptroller at the pentagon. Where is he now? Why Were Raytheon Employees on Every 9/11 Flight that Officially Hit a Building? Fascinating findings. Flight 11: Peter Gay was Raytheon’s Vice President of Operations for Electronic Systems and had been on special assignment to a company office in El Segundo, Calif. This division is one of two divisions making the Global Hawk. Kenneth Waldie was a senior quality control engineer for Raytheon’s electronic systems. David Kovalcin was a senior mechanical engineer for Raytheon’s electronic systems. Flight 175: Herbert Homer was a corporate executive working with the Department of Defense. And for some very strange reasons he was listed for several days as having died in the while working in the Pentagon. Flight 77: Stanley Hall was director of program management for Raytheon Electronics Warfare. One Raytheon colleague calls him "our dean of electronic warfare." Charles S. Falkenberg: He worked on "EOS Webster" a mapping system which provides Landsat Images, which are part of the mapping system for the Global Hawk technology. Raytheon is working on Global Hawk piloltless aircraft program. Now, if this is not coincidental enough for you: What are the odds that Raytheon also had one office in the WTC2? It was located in 91st floor in WTC2. Raytheon shared the floor with Washington Group and Gibbs&Hill. While 13 employees of Washington Group died. None died of Raytheon and Gibbs&Hill. This is rather surprising as after the hit of the second plane only four person survived who were above the 78th floor where the plane hit. And the 91st might be significant in another way: "every person believed to be above the 91st floor died: 1,344." The 91st floor was the line between life and death in the WTC tower opposite to Raytheon's office. Or in other words: The first plane hit the WTC1 in the 91st floor. (please see linked article for citations) One has to wonder if these Raytheon employees were knowingly taking part in some sort of drill on 9/11-- and then were killed because of their knowledge. posted by Spooked at 11:31 PM 7 comments

by **Qutb** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 10:09 am

No. Zakheim worked for <a href="http://www.sysplan.com/" target="top">System Planning Corporation</a>. <a href="http://www.raytheon.com/" target="top">Raytheon</a> is one of the biggest defense contractors in the US, and in the world. Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.

by **dbeach** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:02 pm

<a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=1421.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...1421.topic</a> More info about the dov of hate .mr. 'z" how bout the missing trillions from the penatgrams budget.. he is very involved with 9/11 and possibly the insider who infiltrated the NORAD system

by **Qutb** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:03 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Where is he now?<hr></blockquote> <a href="http://www.boozallen.com/bahng/SilverDemo?PID=Home.html&NGPgID=HOME&contType=TABLE&dispType=HTML" target="top">BoozAllen Hamilton</a>, with his buddy James Woolsey. And he's member of the <a href="http://www.fightingterror.org/" target="top">Committee on the Present Danger</a>, which is now chaired by Lieberman, Shultz, Woolsey and John Kyl. The url is hilarious: www.fightingterror.org <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin"> Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.

by **proldic** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 2:09 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>...possibly the insider who infiltrated the NORAD system<hr></blockquote> I have to respectfully disagree here, because the circumstantial and historical evidence points to the fact that most of the elements that made up the US "high command" on 9/11 (ie: highest leadership levels of the US CIA, NSA, military and air force, Secret Service, White House) are the guilty parties. I'm curious as to why otherwise healthily skeptical and conspiracy-minded people, who will accept and believe the most extreme esoteric studies such as reptile-control without hard "proof", seem to have a problem with and fear acknowledging the biggest conspiracy: the idea that it's not a 5th column, the idea that the high-profile "neo-con vulcans" are as much a part of the distraction as the "texas oilianaires" or "the hawks (vs. the tri-lateralists) once were...the idea that 9/11 wasn't the result of "infiltration" by "traitors", it was business-as-usual for the US, a fundamental all-encompassing (largely organic) "accepted as policy" conspiracy, most recognizably mileposted in the last time they were on a "kill-crazy rampage" -- the era of MLK-Malcolm X-RFK-JFK (and 1000+ lesser-knowns). You of all people should know this. And this is why I seem obssesed with this point, because it's one of the biggest keys to subtly-but-vitally distracting otherwise-dangerous-to-power folks such as yourself from fully comprehending the yawning chasm of the US-based capitalist global conspiracy. So as long as you keep thinking along the Sutton-esque "pox on both the houses" line-of-thinking a'la' "Busheviks", you'll never really be a serious threat politically with your voice to them. And you could be -- especially you... But the elevation of certain characters such as Dov Zahkeim and Phillip Zelikow to high-flak positions is a key part of the game that many people seem to think is completely unreasonable. Doesn't anybody realize that they have for centuries elevated certain token Jew and (now black and latino) "Uncle Ariels", opportunists being evenly balanced within any ethnic groups, then set about to smear the "race", with what to me is obviously using it to distract from their central leadership role? What would make today any different? In fact, wouldn't it be more subtle and practiced and veiled and self-legitimizing and self-reinforcing and comprehensive than ever before? And I'm sure you realize it was many more than just "6 million jews" that were IBM-technologically exterminated during the "holocaust"... They didn't "infiltrate" NORAD. Did every radar operator know what was going down ("Is this real-world or exercise?")? No. Were the majority of the individuals in the command-and-control structure of the US air defense complicit as a whole? Yes. No infiltration necessary, in fact it would be impossible to do it any other way than with the full support of the leadership. But I'm sure you can see the difference in the accusations, and where they lead people politically, right? One -- I'll take the liberty of calling it "the infiltration-by-Neo-con 5th columnists-like [insert Jewish-name here] conspiracy" -- leads us to ignore the fundamental (revolutionary) battle that has been a core part of our country's history, going all the way back past 1963, all the way back to the times of (despite what your Chomsky's and various anarchist strains would have us dismiss) the genuine revolutionary battles between "Republicans" and "federalists" (code for monarchists), and instead blame "neo-cons", "zionists", "traitors", "infiltrators", "foreign agents", whatever, just as long as it's not the US intelligence-military-industrial complex as a whole. The other, which also happens to be the truth backed by the most credible eveidence, points directly front and center at the real heart of power, and confronts the real elephant in the living room. You decide, bro. Capitalism is the real 5th Column in a democracy. Btw, were you aware that the USA was the primary financier of the French cccupation of Vietnam, more than the French government, going back at least 12 years before Diembienphu? Doesn't that mean something huge about the historical centrality of US power globally, and the myths that many of us (even those that were over there) may accept about the Vietnam era?

by **dbeach** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:02 pm

lthough Ike would not give the French air suport at that final battle "But the elevation of certain characters such as Dov Zahkeim and Phillip Zelikow to high-flak positions is a key part of the game that many people seem to think is completely unreasonable" sucha oration is appreciated all scoundlrels need to eventually pay the fiddlers. Mr Z walks aroung like he is so clean and my pt is he is as dirty as many of the insiders Infiltrate was not the correct word I want them alll to pay from the pawns to the generallssimos the syndicate is cracked ..so this is gona get funnin

by **israelirealities** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:09 pm

Though I promised to take a leave, something I feel compelled to remind, in connection to my being Israeli. This is precisely the kind of obscuration that saddens me. The question of whether Jews are or are not involved in the big american scam, turn into an abstract discussion and the people are forgotten. If, among other ethnicities Jews of wealth and power took part in those scams (not more and not less than others who are not), then people like me, Israelis who are victims of this corruption deserve to be heard as well , not only as a proof to this or that side of the argument. NAmely, the same concrete attention being given to any other scam/abuse of power, should be given to those who happen to be Jews/ISraeli (or involved in our fate), in terms of holding them accountable or getting them into jail. It so happens, and this is not by chance, that these kind of arguments grant those specific criminals immunity, vis a vis their constituency. You wouldn't deflect attention from DeLay because his name starts with a D, and leave his crimes unattended for that reason (had there been a sexy debate whether all the shit in the world happens because of people whose names start with D). Some of those Zakheim types have implicated and damagee people, and those people whose trust they abuse, deserve not to be dehumanized just to prove a point. As someone who knows what kind of damage, for instance, was incurred by Israeli folks (simple people) by the likes of AIPAC tycoons (in order to cut corners as they promote their agendas), I am in position to say that there is no reason to let them off the hook just because it makes the Nazis of the world happy. What is important ? this abstract debate about the "J"ews (as long as history) or the realities of the situation ? (rhetorical question here). One should fight Nazism/antisemism WITHOUT having to resort to whitewash the errors/crimes/corruption of those who happen to be Jews. It does Israel and the American Jewish community no good that thugs are granted immunity and place all the community in a hard situation between the devil and the deep blue sea. While I cannot stop Nazis from talking nonesense, I can see that my community is doing what it can to clean up its act, vis a vis ITS OWN. Another point ot remember, is that while the None Jewish community is large and able to contain more corruption without collapsing, the JEwish community and specifically ISrael is SMALL, and so this free hand to thugs policy in the name of protecting the reputation of Jews from NAzi conspiracy theorists is proving to be BAD for us. Remember, a Jewish or ISraeli "controller" type is no better than a non Jew in same position. No "breaks" are therefore needed or benefit anyone except world crime.

by **dbeach** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:04 am

is not takin seriously by too many here BUT he offers a conspiracy within where the Arabs and Busheviks will sacrifce the neo-cons and play pin the tail on them.. I have read similar..and have said myself that in the end the busheviks and their secret cabals will sacrifice both the USA and Israal <a href="http://www.cloakanddagger.de/media/S_284_S/EXCLUSIVE/refco.htm">www.cloakanddagger.de/med.../refco.htm</a> "Dov Zakheim, formerly a Rabbi, installed in the Pentagon by Zakheim's Texas pal, George W. Bush in May, 2001, just months before 9-11, as Bush's Undersecretary of Defense, Zakheim has been CEO of a highly secretive private firm called System Planning Corporation. According to Zakheim's company's own website and literature "Flight Termination System". System Planning Corporation is proud to offer the Flight Termination System (FTS), a fully redundant turnkey range safety and test system for REMOTE CONTROL AND FLIGHT TERMINATION OF AIRBORNE TEST VEHICLES. The FTS consists of SPC's Command Transmitter System (CTS) and custom control, interface, and monitoring subsystems. THE SYSTEM IS FULLY PROGRAMMABLE and is flexible enough to meet the changing and challenging requirements of today's modern test ranges." (Emphasis added.) The details go on to point out how automated the system is. It can be operated from several remote sites or from a central site. Each CTS unit can be operated locally or as part of a larger FTS system. Reportedly tied in various ways to Rahm Emanuel, Wasserstein, and Refco, Zakheim's firm was most likely the one involved in the remote control of whatever it was that struck the Twin Towers on 9-11, to be falsely blamed on "The Moslems" supposedly supervised from a CIA faker in a cave ten thousand miles away.. These details known to the Arab oil bankers plotting to take over the control of Refco's worldwide business, even if publicized by the petroleum sheiks as part of their agenda, are not to be blamed on all Jews in the U.S. collectively or all Jews in Israel collectively. Traitors to the tribe, whether in Hollywood or elsewhere, are blamable for their own crimes. In his role as demagogue, Adolf Hitler, to divert attention away from Germany's economic problems, played the Jew Card, blaming all Germany's woes on one category of people. Is America's Hitler, similarly, with the help of Arab oil bankers and their agenda, about to do the same thing?"

by **proldic** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 1:11 am

think "drawing fire"

by **Sweejak** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 2:41 am

Nice post Israelrealities, cuts to the chase IMO. In fact the hyper-vigilant often increase the focus on Jews thereby doing "their", [insert favorite grand unified conspiracy] work for them.

by **israelirealities** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 3:36 am

sweejak, I hope you are not a nazi proponent. Usually, and regretfully, the only positive response I get for this opinion is from those types who are happy to see a Jew go along with them. There is a "gap" within which this is taking place, namely, most of the real people are in a gap and cannot be heard, because there is so much noise coming from the endless "abstractions" of antisemites and those who seriously respond to their allegations. This is fear based/anger based dialogue (rather monologue in chorus). I never know what's more dehumanizing - antisemitism or those who respond to it on the same level (fear). its like somebody coming and saying "you are shit not a person" and you are standing there trying to prove you are not shit. (we call it in Hebrew "trying to prove you don't have a sister", for those who say your sister is a whore). More accurately, Nazi falacy is the lumping of humans into an abstreact predetermined category, and some people really believe it, and start thinking maybe its true, but maybe its a "good" category, not "evil" one. I have nothing in common with Henri Kissinger, but for a Nazi we are both made of some special genes or molecules that make us more alike than different, or make that category more relevant than any other identity we have. Staunch "Zionists" reinforce that, by telling me, too, that this is true and I should protect Mr. Kissinger on that very same basis, OR at least I should suffer his corruption (were it against me) silently just because of that overriding bogus category. This is precisely the road to Aucshwitz, where people became numbers and de humanized "heap" of something. So, while I hate Nazism I equally feel offended by those who try to force their identity politics on me, to promote their very personal agendas, disguised as some form of patriotism or "nazi hunting" intellectual methods.

by **Homeless Halo** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 4:17 am

Bait and switch. I've personally never understood the venom levelled in the direction of jews for what appear to be crimes financed largely by Euro-America. Maybe its just that I don't find abstract concepts such as "jews" to be particularly frightening in real world terms. All of the jews I know are indistinguishible, as individuals, from all of the other entities I know. I wonder where the distinction is supposed to exist. The only particularly interesting thing about "Jews" (as a loose term) is that "Jews" represent a mostly unbroken cultural continuity which is vastly superior in its ways of adjustment to outside forces than most other cultures. By this, I'm not referring to the set of genes that makes "Jewness" but rather the set of memes. I think Nietzsche said something similar once(I could look it up). The point is, that there is only one kind of human being that we know of so far, and that each subset of this kind of human being (individuals) is responsible for its own actions. Collective blame merely serves to reinforce the bondage that seeks our total enslavement. I should say that I don't find anything wrong with researching "nazis" or any other kind of hatemonger. In fact, I think we should study them, but we should be careful to know as much about the author as possible, so as to better understand their words. IR: Since I don't fit into a racial category (American mutt), I sometimes don't understand the tendencies to lump others into categories. Perhaps another 6000 years of history will help us finish eliminating these lines, so we can focus on getting rid of "EVIL ASSHOLES" instead of debating which cultural/ethnic background deserves "blame" for the world being so shitty. But then again, maybe it will get worse. Cheers. Love is the Law, SHCR

by **wintler** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 7:27 am

Very interesting Proldic, haven't read you put that view before, ta. Can you extend on "Were the majority of the individuals in the command-and-control structure of the US air defense complicit as a whole? Yes.", i.e. in planning before the fact, and/or witholding and suppressing knowledge afterwards? I can think a reason why 1. ("the infiltration-by-Neo-con 5th columnists-like [insert Jewish-name here] conspiracy") would be the more popular type of theory: much easier to have hopes for effecting change/reform and 'sell' a conspiracy within govt rather than of the whole society. Incidentally, this 'ecofascist' also sees capitalism as a wholescale malign entity, it being fundamentally and irrevocably unsustainable.

by **Sweejak** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:10 am

Israelrealities, it's not surprising that people with a race agenda would use you. As I said they will use the truth as well as lies. My father was in two concentration camps, my mother also suffered under Hitlers' regime. One of my uncles almost lost his life in one of Eisenhower's Rhine death camps. The irony has not escaped me. While this alone does not clear me, it might give an insight as to where I am coming from. I don't think this forum has a way to search for all of a posters messages, I know others do, but I have gone thru this here at least a couple of times. True, I do hold some controversial views, for instance I think the origins of the Protocols is inconclusive, another poster thought they were 99.9% true. I don't even give them that high of a rating, but the debate went on for pages merely because I insist on my right, with my evidence, to see the origins as inconclusive, which by the way does not point to Jews. With the situation in the USa I see what looks to me like the 4th Reich, when I hear people complain about it they often use the word "Americans", usually they are not called anti-American though some truly are, as though there is some genetic pre disposition. You see this idea as well when the talk comes to Germans, Italians or Russians and others too. In fact, when I mentioned that one of the camps my father was in was run by Estonian Nazi's I was accused of being fascist, that "even 3rd generation" Balts had this proclivity. I don't know if it would make a difference that my father was ethnically Russian, or would that be Viking or Cossack, Khazar or Mongol, I don't know, I guess it depends on how far you want to trace it. I don't really believe in race politics, even less the concept of race as commonly understood. So, when for instance Makow says that "These families have embraced Freemasonry, an occult secret society that worships Lucifer. The top rank of this cabal is called the "Illuminati." Then, assuming that I believe him, I don't see these people as jews but rather as members of an occult secret society. Some say that this is all code for Jew hating, I'm sure some of it is but if you attempt to stamp out the information than you will only increase suspicion that maybe it's true. It backfires and in fact aids those with what I call a anti human agenda.

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