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<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>As to the "simplistic" view, the cartoony-sounding New World Order as a diagnosis does match the symptoms and doctrines in motion whether that sounds reductive or not.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Yes, but remember the David Ickes of the world, and how far they tend to push that cartoon. They get their ideas from somewhere, and it ain't Robert Anton Wilson. Either that, or they just don't "get" a joke when they see it. These are just examples to illustrate my point -- I know they weren't really brought into the discussion, but these ideas and their many interpretations do color a lot of what fuels people's interests in the topics discussed around here.<br><br>I guess if you find no offense in convenient reductivism being used to rally people toward an ill considered or poorly defined set of goals, then I don't really understand what your problem seems to be with the mainstream using these tactics to do the same. I would rather something be clearly labeled as "entertainment" than marketed as fact when it's obviously more like speculation that preys on fear and gullibility, just as much as it feeds on justified anger and frustration. David Icke, Alex Jones and similar speculative authors should be responsible enough to label their work as fiction, speculation, or at the very least; tone down their righteous, pompously heroic attitudes within reason. Maybe a sense of humor would help -- I don't know. <p><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"A crooked stick will cast a crooked shadow."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></p><i></i>

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Hey, how 'bout those firefighters? Now they are interesting.<br><br>Notice that <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I wrote that they "described the sights and sounds" of controlled demolition, not that they declared it as a verdict.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> That is entirely another social process. <br>So even when they say 'I guess that was the pancaking' that doesn't make it so. <br><br>(Re: pancaking of floors. Discuss the 47 steel columns and whether they would disintegrate they way they did with 'pancaking.' Possible thermite ignition explosions to weaken joints before CD?<br>Worth considering since there is some photo and thermal evidence in that direction.)<br><br>Back to oral histories-<br>I noticed when I started reading their oral histories that they were taken over space of several months (10/01-2/02) and had different officials present at different times, frequently high-up officials in the fire department.<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> Bosses.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>I also noticed that the lengths of their descriptions went from the <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>early ones being longer and detailed to the later ones being more perfunctory. Much shorter.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><br>I also noticed that some of the pdf files have redacted sections, lines, names, or entire paragraphs.<br><br>I also noticed that some of the pdf files didn't open to visible text, just a grey page. I was able to transfer them to another software program and get text out of those, however.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>When you add in the terse, ominous pronouncements from the one firefighter briefly interviewed in the recent...New York....hell, I forgot the periodical...I get the impression that the firefighters might have been told to cool it on the unexplained explosions/controlled demolition angle. Just a hunch.<br><br>That happened at the Murrah building in Oklahoma City, too.<br>Rescues were stopped for a while to remove unexploded bombs.<br>The physics of the building's destruction don't match a truck bomb.<br><br>And that was all hushed up and brushed under the media rug with some reports of whistle blowers even getting violent retribution.<br><br>Hmm.<br><br>Consider that the same dynamic of not rocking the boat after the JFK shooting ("nuke war threat") and other disasters is pretty common, I'd expect the same thing might kick in or be imposed with 9/11. "We're at war and the herd is freaked. Shut up!"<br><br>Notice that you don't hear Air Force people screaming about Operation Vigilant Warrior/Guardian in the press, either. <br><br>That website Qutb posted by the anonymous "Mike I'm just a UK software guy Williams" was pushing the total cover story and spending lots of energy to do so. The effort to portray the firefighter's as "not seeing controlled demo" was extremely lame and manipulative with conclusions by the website not borne out by the quotes. Exactly what 'Mike' was supposedly debunking.<br><br>Hmm. <p></p><i></i>