Former INSCOM head questions Pentagon hit

by **NewKid** » Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:30 pm

Slim, I think the Pentagon is a riddle wrapped inside a mystery inside an enigma. I just need a cool wig and some coffee and cigarettes to explain it better. But for sure, Hani is a master pilot who acts cool under stress. MacGyver in a turban. And I bet I can even get someone who wasn't in the Italian military to say so. (What's with the all the non-American pilot experts? Nila, Don deGranPre or whoever, and now this guy? I want Americans, dammit!) I don't know what happened, Slim. I have no trouble believing it was really flight 77. Except that I have trouble believing it was flight 77, if you know what I mean. I find it thunderously bizarre that we have video tapes and satellite imagery (where are the foreign govt satellite photos by the way?) of the entire thing on tape, and yet we still have these debates about debris and witnesses and how big holes should be. "Yes, we have the whole thing on tape your honor, but we'd rather make our case based on contradictory and inadmissible out of court statements along with questionable and highly disputed forensic evidence with no chain of custody . . ." Well, they could be holding back the tapes to burn the movement. Yes, they could, except that they've already said there's nothing on those tapes of any value. So when they release new tapes that show an AA flight, will they be lying then or were they lying before in affidavits filed with the court? It could be disinformation as a honey trap to focus people on a red herring. Yes, it could. But it could also be a very embarrassing and badly botched operation that the govt is desperate to hide and muddy the waters on. (Was the govt so hot on its disinformation game that the FBI immediately went to seize the tapes, even though they would support the official version? Perhaps so, but you know, maybe not either.) And what exactly is the point of raising doubt about the Pentagon in a disinformation campaign if you're going to show a weak video of some unidentifiable object and say the other videos don't show anything? Maybe to upset the DC pols. 'Shhh guys! Chris Matthews and David Brooks will take us seriously if we just shut up about the Pentagon.' Granted it may have better potential than CD as a disinfo ploy (which could never be conclusively proven or disproven with video tapes later released and which only serves to attract people to 9-11 and create doubt in their minds), but it's still pretty risky. But the more credible conspiracy researchers say it was flight 77. Yes, they do. But there's just something missing. I think it's that avuncular look. Cronkite is good. Charlie Gibson is okay. Gotta do better in that department. But we have witnesses. Yes, we do. And I don't know about you, but when I have 100 ton planes flying over my head knocking down light posts at 400 miles an hour, I can easily tell you what airline it was and what model number of plane. I can even tell you what the passengers looked like as their faces passed by. And I don't duck, crouch, or run away and hide, so don't go saying I do. But why wouldn't they tell the truth. I don't know, I'm sure they would. So that should settle it. When you have witnesses, seeing is believing! <a href="http://www.metacafe.com/watch/50822/criss_angel_deja_vu/" target="top">www.metacafe.com/watch/50822/criss_angel_deja_vu/</a> <a href="http://www.metacafe.com/watch/37292/criss_angel_walks_through_glass/" target="top">www.metacafe.com/watch/37292/criss_angel_walks_through_glass/</a> Slim, bottom line, the whole thing is a mess. Let's see the goddamn videos and satellite imagery and then we can pound on the table really hard about what the hell it is.

by **stickdog99** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 6:46 pm

I'm sick of the whole argument. I'm not convinced that a big passenger jet hit the Pentagon. The nice and clean holes in the rings seem like some bad screenwriter's fantasy of what would have happened had a big passenger jet hit the Pentagon. However, I'm more than willing to be convinced. Let's see the evidence. Why should I have to prove that Flight 77 did NOT hit the Pentagon? Where is all the evidence -- you know, inventory of plane parts, body parts, video evidence, flight data recorder information, signed NTSB report -- that it DID? If Flight 77 is a disinfo honey pot, it's pretty muddy honey.

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Wed Jul 12, 2006 11:45 pm

Someone's comment about whether or not to even discuss UFO's was that it was appropriate because that's what hit the Pentagon, as in, no video yet and lots of debate. Here's another interesting comment from the op's link to comments- <blockquote>Quote:<hr> I would strongly caution against promoting this man and conflating 911 truth with ufology. Ask yourself a question: why is the “UFO phenomena” the ONE “conspiracy” that network news not only covers but covers lavishly – a day seldom goes by when there isn’t some special on the subject, from little grey men to abductions to Roswell. One explanation is that the subject does not pose a threat to power interests; rather, it lends them a welcome mystique as "protectors" of the population from sinister forces. Sound familiar? Now consider Reagan’s comment: "But I've often wondered, what if all of us in the world discovered that we were threatened by an outer - a power from outer space, from another planet." § Ronald Reagan, US President, May 5, 1988. "Wouldn't we all of a sudden find that we didn't have any differences between us at all, we were all human beings, citizens of the world, and wouldn't we come together to fight that particular threat?" Sounds like an excellent contingency plan for “uniting the world” under a global government. Outlandish? I cannot think of a better way to strengthen the state apparatus, short of a viral outbreak. “Protect us from the aliens!” Check out the “Revolution in Military Affairs”, an official document outlining strikingly similar strategies as a means of controlling the populace. I also recommend Martin Canon’s study on the subject: “The Controllers”. Here’s the link: <a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~silen...ore99/">home.earthlink.net/~silen...ore99/</a> id15.html Here’s a few passages: “In the course of many hours of listening to the subject, I discovered that she has had close personal contact over a long period of time with several individuals who have federal intelligence connections. She was hypnotized many years ago as part of a TV program devoted to hypnosis. Her abductions began shortly after she attended several long sessions at a laboratory where, ostensibly, she was being tested for ESP abilities. Two other people who were "tested" at this same laboratory have also had abductions. All three were told by the lab to join a local UFO group. During her abductions, the principal alien spoke to the subject in the English language in a normal manner, not via telepathy. She recognized the voice, which was at one time that of her very close friend of yesteryear who was then and is now employed by the CIA. The other voice was that of an individual who works in Washington, has what I will call very strong federal connections as well as a finger in every ufological pie, and who just happened to bump into her at the aforementioned laboratory. He also anticipated, in the course of telephone conversations, her abductions. When the subject confronted him about this and the voice, he claimed to be psychic. (!)[176] “I submit that this surreal incident is incomprehensible as either an example of alien incursion or of "Klass-ical" confabulation. The scenario described here EXACTLY parallels numerous experiments in the hypnotic induction of anti-social action as revealed both in the standard hypnosis literature and in declassified ARTICHOKE/MKULTRA documents…” “The "ESP" connection is suggestive; the MKULTRA documents betray an astonishing interest on the part of the intelligence agencies in matters parapsychological.” We know that MKULTRA did not end in the 70’s. Why? Because declassified documents clearly show that the program was not, as is commonly believed, a “failure”; rather it was a smashing success. After disclosure it was no doubt “privatized” – moved out of prisons and mental institutions and into cults. Jonestown is the most bizarre case, with intelligence connections coming out the yin yang, all the way up to Jones himself (see Jim Jones: a parapolitical fugue). I don’t question the many sensible people who have seen UFO’s. No doubt there is something there – the question is what and by whom. Mixing up Ufology, “psychic phenomena” etc. with 911 truth is a recipe for disaster. Pretty soon they’ll have a string of UFO buffs and psychics on television promoting 911 truth, with predictable results. One final warning: the National Enquirer – which has made an art of mixing truth with fiction, in order to conflate real conspiracies with “alien babies” and “sasquatches” and the like (also known as smear by association), was founded by Gene Pope, an “ex”- CIA agent who worked in – what else – psyops.<hr></blockquote>

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