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Postby FourthBase » Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:42 pm

Some "loose ends" only, huh?<br><br>Right, ummm...<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :| --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/indifferent.gif ALT=":|"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Jeff, is there an ignore button? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: what is gatekeeping?

Postby Infernal Optimist » Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:07 pm

"So I can count you in for a more thorough investigation?"<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Of what? WTC7?</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Of 9/11. Weren't we talking about Amy Goodman and whether she should actually, you know, do her job? I suggested she might ask some pointed questions of the Pop Mech because, face it, their article was designed to close down further conversation on the topic. You replied to me picking on my statement (WTC7?) But I guess NIST is on the job so...<br><br>So why did Atta drive to Portland and did he leave his rental car at Portland or Boston (and why don't we know 5 years later)?<br><br>For every question you dismiss there are 20 more waiting to be asked. This is what journalists do for a living. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: what is gatekeeping?

Postby bvonahsen » Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:48 pm

Ya know, sometimes <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>I</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> disagree with me.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Sometimes I disagree with you BVH, but this is pretty funny. I thought that a journalist's job was to ask questions. Isn't that, you know, their job description?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Yeah, it is but do they do that? Not much that I can tell. Most never leave their cubicle. It's only a very few who actually, you know, go outside and interact with the real world. Sure we see talking heads and intrepid reporters on the scene but they are not the majority. The majority are the copy writers who write the material the talking heads read, or the news articles that comprise the bulk of what passes for news.<br><br>I am also trying to make a fine distinction between what some choose to call gatekeeping and defending the status quo. Gatekeeping implies intent and frankly, I don't think there is much evidence to support that view. What I think is more the norm is an ingrained mental POV. This isn't the result of an intentional decision to "gatekeep". It is just the natural consequence of them going about their job. Well, that and the fact that corporations and the government have successfully gamed the system. They "own" the media not just outright but also by controling what information journalists get fed. Garbage in, garbage out. Some journalists are complicit I guess, but I suspect that most are just sleepwalking through life like everyone else. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: what is gatekeeping?

Postby Infernal Optimist » Wed Sep 13, 2006 8:57 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>What I think is more the norm is an ingrained mental POV. This isn't the result of an intentional decision to "gatekeep".</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>I guess for me "gatekeeping" would be acting to stifle further questions and discussion. I don't necessarily ascribe nefarious motives to the practice. It could be a matter of staying "comfortable" or fear of being kicked out of the Kool Kids Klub. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: what is gatekeeping?

Postby robertdreed » Wed Sep 13, 2006 9:03 pm

Amy Goodman's job in that debate was not to ask questions. It was to moderate the discussion. <br><br>The Popular Mechanics people didn't impress me all that much with their command of the facts surrounding the mysteries of the case. But the Loose Changers didn't impress me, either. <br><br>A minor point: I'm opposed to the tactic of argument by derisive snort or suppressed guffaw, employed at several points by the Loose Change team. Despite the fact that I'm prone to doing it myself...I view it as a weakness I need to overcome. <br><br>But face-to-face verbal debates aren't the best forum for disputing complex questions of fact and evidence, anyway. For a variety of reasons, I much prefer the written word. I wouldn't mind seeing Internet debate turned into a refereed sport, in fact. Using a 7-minute clock for the points and counterpoints. And something along the lines of a playoff elimination contest, or something like that. One team taking one side of an issue, and one advocating for the other, with a final showdown between the most articulate champions of a given viewpoint on a given issue...<br><br>Goodman needs to have Paul Thompson on, for an extended session with Paul Thompson. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 9/13/06 7:04 pm<br></i>
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Re: what is gatekeeping?

Postby DBtv » Thu Sep 14, 2006 1:11 am

Qutb is our assigned gatekeeper.<br><br>Interesting he chose the name of the leader of the Muslim Brotherhood whose writings are the supposed foundation of radical Islam.<br><br>"By way of deception, thou shalt do war." <p></p><i></i>
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Re: what is gatekeeping?

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Thu Sep 14, 2006 3:25 am

DBtv, just a request to please remember the <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm1.showMessage?topicID=2.topic">posting guidelines</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> and avoid insinuation that a member is purposefully spreading disinformation.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: what is gatekeeping?

Postby Infernal Optimist » Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:42 am

RDR:<br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Amy Goodman's job in that debate was not to ask questions. It was to moderate the discussion.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Well, she doesn't have to sit there passively and let them discuss amongst themselves. What would be the point of having a journalist be referee in a debate? (We can agree to blame the DN producers for setting up this horrible format) Presumably, journalists exist so that we may end up being better informed. <br><br>And as a matter of fact she did ask some questions. Let's see if she asks any direct questions:<br><br>To Jason Bermas: AMY GOODMAN: What about what the coroner said, collecting body parts? <br><br>To Dylan Avery: AMY GOODMAN: Dylan, what about the issue of cell phones? <br><br>To David Dunbar: AMY GOODMAN: The issue of the Pentagon, David Dunbar, executive editor of Popular Mechanics? <br><br>To Dylan Avery: AMY GOODMAN: What photographs have you seen? <br><br>To David Dunbar: AMY GOODMAN: An excerpt of Loose Change. David Dunbar, executive editor of Popular Mechanics, your response? <br><br>To Jim Meigs: AMY GOODMAN: Jim Meigs, the editor-in-chief of Popular Mechanics, your response to this aspect in Loose Change? <br><br>To Dylan Avery: AMY GOODMAN: Dylan Avery what is your thesis of what happened to Building Seven?<br><br>To Dylan Avery: AMY GOODMAN: And your thesis about what happened? What do you believe? <br><br>To Dylan Avery/Jason Bermas: AMY GOODMAN: Can you respond to that point and make your larger point? <br><br>To Dylan Avery: AMY GOODMAN: And who do you believe blew up Building Seven? <br><br>So she asks the Pop Mech eds to respond to Loose Change. She asks the Loose Change guys pointed, direct questions about their thesis. <br><br>"Who do you believe blew up Building Seven?", indeed. Like it's Dylan Avery's job to answer that question.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: what is gatekeeping?

Postby stickdog99 » Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:21 pm

Game, set, gatekeeper. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: what is gatekeeping?

Postby Sweejak » Thu Sep 14, 2006 8:57 pm

It's my understanding that on the Berlet show David Griffin was invited to be interviewed about his book, not prepare for a debate. <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>.... However, at the last minute, Goodman abruptly and without explanation changed the format of the show from an interview to a "debate," and brought in long-time "anti-conspiracist" Chip Berlet. Berlet is not an expert on 9/11 research, and his group, Political Research Associates, is an alleged "Left" organization that is funded in part by the Ford Foundation. (It is interesting to note that "Chip" Berlet's full name is John Foster Berlet. He was named after John Foster Dulles who, with his brother Allen, designed the CIA for Harry Truman in 1947, and played a prominent role in smuggling Nazis into America to help build the post-WWII American "Defense" and Intelligence apparatus).<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.newtopiamagazine.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=40&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0">www.newtopiamagazine.net/...=0&thold=0</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Griffin's response to Berlet:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.publiceye.org/conspire/Post911/Griffin1.html">www.publiceye.org/conspir...ffin1.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: what is gatekeeping?

Postby dbeach » Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:11 pm

she is ..she isn't ...back and forth on the see saw<br><br>the rightswingers are more obvious.. rush , fox ,savage ect..<br><br>I often wonder why the lefts causes .. many of which I may agree with often end up with no or very little progress.<br><br>its easy to blame them mean ole righties than to consider more diabolical reasons as in the left was mockinbirded by the CIA many yrs ago.<br><br>this forum usually splits along similar lines<br><br>between the naysayers and the proponents of the controversy of the moment<br><br>BTW<br><br>I found this left chart at RI<br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.leftgatekeepers.com/">www.leftgatekeepers.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>"The purpose of this website is to provide updated information on the sources of foundation funding of the left media and academic institutions, and to provide a forum for commentaries on the political left in the U.S. Additionally, this website shares current political analysis from dissident voices which are censored and/or marginalized by the so-called "alternative/left" media that receives foundation funding.<br> <br>Acknowledgements:<br><br>Many of the articles and extracts on this site appeared first on questionsquestions.net, hosted by Brian Salter. Janus would like to thank Brian for his support and co-operation in this project, and for allowing us to use his original critiques and summaries in these pages.<br><br>I would also like to extend my gratitude for the support of all those political writers and analysts who have given permission for their work to be posted on this website.<br> <br>to view the complete chart, click here<br> <br>To find out how to submit an article to LeftGatekeepers.com, click here<br> updates corrections "<br><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.leftgatekeepers.com/chart.htm">www.leftgatekeepers.com/chart.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: what is gatekeeping?

Postby Byrne » Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:49 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Shaym Sanders of NIST freely admitted they had trouble explaining it, for the very simple reason that not enough evidence survived...<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Statement from Dr. Shyam Sunder of the NIST, made during the NIST (National Institute of Standards & Technology) Public Meeting in New York on February 12, 2004. When asked by Investigative Reporter Nico Haupt about many of the glaring inconsistencies surrounding the unprecedented implosion of <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>WTC 7</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->; among other issues, Haupt asked for a simple explanation as to how WTC 7 imploded into its footprint in less than 8 seconds. The following is Dr. Sunder’s reply to Nico Haupt’s concerns:<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Thank you very much. We will fully report. We have begun reporting, and we will fully report on the fires in WTC 7, the causes of the collapse in WTC 7, as well as any other evidence from first-person accounts about 7… So stay tuned, we will get more information as time goes”</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br><br><br><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE START--><span style="text-decoration:underline"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>WTC7 Report Timeline</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE UNDERLINE END--><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>April 05</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> NIST publish scheduled FINAL WTC7 report issue date of December 2005<br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Jan 06</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> NIST publishes a 'Draft statement of work for further WTC7 analysis required' . (2nd such solicitation of WTC7 hypothesis validation). Projected completion date for report is November 2006<br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Aug 30 2006</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> NIST publishes that <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>'It is anticipated that a [WTC7] draft report will be released by early 2007'</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->.<br><br>No NIST WTC7 report (even draft) has been produced to date<br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Amy Goodman w/Pop. Mech. assist editr & Loose Chnge

Postby Sweejak » Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:03 pm

Delete, item already posted <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=sweejak@rigorousintuition>Sweejak</A> at: 9/14/06 8:06 pm<br></i>
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