What is the meaning of Steven Jone's "antisemitism"

by **dude h homeslice ix** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:23 pm

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by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:08 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> Jones said he doesn't blame Jews for the attacks. "I had no idea this would be some sort of codespeak for anti-Semitism," Jones said. "It is not right to link such a group to Jews."<hr></blockquote> DE, is this clear enough for you? Or you want to play 'codespeak' along with the oh so credible ADL? I guess this statement by Jones isn't clear enough for the ADL but you see how credible they are about documented Nazi financiers like Prescott Bush. I don't like games at all. Especially discrediting games. Surely you don't fall for this ramped up 'codewords' smear game, Dreams End. Instead you're going to pour fuel on the ADL's publicity fire? I thought you were cautioning against alphabet-agency meddling in the peace-justice-911 truth movements. Because the ADL surely qualifies along with CIA, FBI, DIA, and the rest. This Deseret Morning News article smacks of character assassination all the way. What the hell does this sentence mean?- <blockquote>Quote:<hr>The statement drew immediate response from Jews who said they were offended because references to international banking have for decades been used by anti-Semitic groups as codespeak to blame Jews for various problems.<hr></blockquote> Which Jews are being quoted here? None. These words are just thrown out there the way Fox's Bill O'Reilly does when he uses "some people say..." to say what he wants to put someone on the defensive. Then the ADL rep likens Steven Jones to white supremecist David Duke just because he said 'international bankers' ?!?! What bullshit from an outrage hype artist. And, what a surprise, the end of the article finally quotes an insulted Jew by name. I wonder what he was told about this to get the desired reaction. I'm sure it wasn't hard to invoke his defensive indignation, especially with all the post-Lebanon invasion criticism of Israel which has been burning in America lately. My, what a good time for the ADL to push back the most dangerous voice in the 9/11 truth movement which WILL undercut the already low support for the Bush Oil Wars AND try to chill anyone else who's afraid of being painted as a DAVID DUKE. How transparent is that, DE? Very. Very. Mentioning in the 'ADL outrage article' that BYUniv. put Jones on leave doesn't say why and leaves the reader to incorrectly infer that this is due to a question about possible anti-semitism. But it isn't. This is a new turn of media events fomented by the ADL with the assistance of the Deseret Morning News. But this earlier Deseret Morning News online article says why BYU put Jones on leave and also has Jones pointing simply to unnamed culprits "inside the US government"- <a href="http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,645201062,00.html">deseretnews.com/dn/view/0...62,00.html</a> <blockquote>Quote:<hr> Wednesday, September 13, 2006 Format for printingE-mail story Banner supports BYU's Jones Hand-lettered bedsheet is hung from overpass By Tad Walch Deseret Morning News PROVO — A handmade expression of support for the self-styled Sept. 11 "truth movement" appeared Tuesday on an overpass across University Parkway near the Provo-Orem border. (photo)A sign hanging from a Provo overpass shows support for BYU Professor Steven Jones, who is on paid leave over controversy on his theories about 9/11. The white bedsheet with spray-painted lettering appeared to be a show of unity for Brigham Young University physics professor Steven Jones, a hero to many in the movement for his research on molten metal and dust from ground zero. BYU placed Jones on paid leave last week while it conducts a review of his statements and writings about Sept. 11, 2001. The sign on the Carterville Road overpass said, "They will do whatever we let them get away with" and included a Web site address, www.911truth.org. The Web site claims to be "a campaign to expose the truth of 9/11." Neither Jones nor a spokesman for the Web site knew who placed the sign on the fence across the overpass. Jones declined further comment. .... Jones has said his experiments show evidence of thermate, a compound used in military charges used to cut through steel. Jones believes the World Trade Center towers fell not only because they were struck by planes but because a group inside the U.S. government detonated pre-positioned charges throughout the two towers and a third building that collapsed on Sept. 11, 2001. .... A BYU spokeswoman has said the university relieved Jones of the two classes he was teaching this semester so administrators can review what statements he may have made in classes, whether the paper he wrote about his research was subjected to acceptable academic peer review and submitted to appropriate journals and if Jones has inappropriately tied the university to his public statements. The review could take several months.<hr></blockquote> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 9/20/06 8:20 pm

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:27 pm

So much wasted energy accusing and refuting, precisely the desired effect. Now about the physical evidence of 9/11...

by **Dreams End** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 11:17 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>wolfowitz is the head of the world bank, man! i dont care if hes a fundamentalist zoroastrian cross-dresser, if he aint the head of an international banking cabal, who the fuck is?!?<hr></blockquote> The World Bank is not a good thing. But it is not a bank in any normal sense. It lends money to countries for development. It has been dominated by and used by the United States for promotion of neoliberal "structural adjustment" (read: fuck the poor) policies in the third world. It is the bastion of "neoliberalism", which has nothing to do with liberals and everything to do with making the world safe for US investment capital and resource exploitation. Still...they aren't a bank and not the center of a 'banking cabal'. I'm so happy to see Jones saying he's horrified we thought he meant the banking cabal was linked to Jews. Since the only two people he mentioned by name as representing this cabal are Jews, you can understand the confusion. But the real question is, what the hell is an "international banking cabal" anyway, Jewish or not? How, exactly, does he know it was a banking cabal and not an oil cabal or a military contractor cabal? Who is in charge of this cabal? Can someone please tell me how such a phrase enlightens us? Could you please describe the chain of command from the person who ordered the demolition to the persons who carried it out. Jones named two..how did he know it was those two? What evidence does he present that it was Wolfowitz? Why not Bush? Why not CIA? The term has no explanatory value whatsoever. It means some group so powerful and so secret we can't possibly fight them. It also has a historic meaning of "vague all-powerful group we can accuse anyone we want of working for." But this is truly the silliest part, Hugh. If the group in question is NOT Jewish, then why would Israel be "siccing" the ADL on Jones not to bring out the truth? You can't have it both ways. If Jones isn't talking about Jews, then the ADL has no reason to "attack" him to keep him from revealing the "cabal". It's just such ridiculous logic. The ADL uses false accusations of anti-Semitism to keep the world from finding out the truth about how the Jews run the world.

by **xsic bastardx** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 1:18 am

If you want to understand a banking Cabal here you go.....<a href="http://www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm" target="top">www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm</a> any questions that follow can be directed my way.

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Thu Sep 21, 2006 2:15 am

DE, I agree that Jones doesn't seem to know who pulled off the controlled demolition and he admits as much and has vowed not to even go there again due to the ADL fracas. Wise of him and he was naive not to expect exactly this reaction. I wish someone had advised him of what not to say and what was waiting for him when he used certain keywords which would be stuffed down his throat to choke him. As for your question- <blockquote>Quote:<hr>But this is truly the silliest part, Hugh. If the group in question is NOT Jewish, then why would Israel be "siccing" the ADL on Jones not to bring out the truth? You can't have it both ways. If Jones isn't talking about Jews, then the ADL has no reason to "attack" him to keep him from revealing the "cabal".<hr></blockquote> No, this isn't having it both ways. The religion of bankers has nothing to do with whether Israel benefits from the US War on Terra. And nobody said anything about the ADL trying to hide "Jews running the world." Where did you get that? To answer your question, "Why would Israel be "siccing" the ADL on Jones not to bring out the truth"- Hell, I'm not sure that the ADL isn't just attacking Jones opportunistically instead of as part of US-Israeli attacks against 9/11 truths. Admittedly, some things are done just to sustain an organization that needs it. Israel could use some PR in the US after its invasion of Lebanon and this could be just that, an effort to reclaim victim status to displace aggressor status. But if in fact Israel or its allies in the US (like neocons) are "siccing" the ADL on Jones it would be because the military - financial - political committment to US bombing and occupying the middle east now relies on the cover story of the War on Terra created by the events of 9/11. And, obviously, the moral fervor of army and civilians alike relies on moral/emotional narratives, not economic rationalizations about controlling Caspian Sea oil and gas or holding up the petrodollar. So the moral outrage over 9/11 diffused or worse, turned inward on even un-named 'inside jobbers' is taken away from the already flagging war effort. And I would think that Israel is extremely concerned that the US keeps arming and protecting it, don't you? That's not the same as saying 'Israel did 9/11' or that 'the US invaded Iraq for Israel.' Both countries simply have a vested interest in taking advantage of 9/11 to militarize their cultures. Those country's governments look out for themselves and use the other to the extent that it is in their own interest. I can only imagine the debates within the Israeli military about working with the grandson of Prescott Bush and the US which built the Nazi machine that almost wiped Jews off the planet. Imagine the efforts at rationalizing. "This is not your grandfather's Nazi. They want oil and will arm us to the teeth to get it. Yes, they used Klaus Barbie and many Nazis for decades. But that was then and this is now.Get over it." But both country's power structures are taking advantage of the fact that somebody pulled off 9/11 in an effort to give a gift meant to keep on giving, a replacement for the Cold War only with the party moved to the house with the oil. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 9/21/06 12:24 am

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