9/11 is Clinton's fault!!!

[Louissss]

Clinton balanced the budget by cutting our military in half. He reduced our navy to a one ocean fleet and did the same thing to the USAF and Army. More importantly, he pulled our intelligence gatherers (including our operatives keeping tabs on Al Queda) out of foriegn countries. China funded $10 Million dollars to Clinton's campaign. Is it a coincidence that he then openly gave them super computers capable of reading radar at such a high resolution that they can detect our stealth? Is it also a coincidence that these computers can be used to accurately shoot their nuclear capable ICBM's to any point in our country with exact precision? Not to mention the fact that around 200 people that had illegal dealings with him turned up dead. Clinton killed our intelligence gathering capabilities, and some people actually blame Bush for 9/11. I don't like Bush either. I disagree with his decision to invade Iraq. I don't like alot of the decisions he has made. But put blame where it is due. Blame bush for the countless Iraqi civilian death toll. But blame Clinton for 9/11!!! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START |I --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tired.gif ALT="|I"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

[lilorphant]

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/brac.htm">www.globalsecurity.org/mi...y/brac.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>"During the decade of the 1980’s, no major military bases were closed, largely because of procedural requirements established by Congress. After several legislative efforts to break the deadlock failed, Congress introduced a new base closure procedure in P.L. 100-526, enacted October 24, 1988. The original base-closing law was designed to minimize political interference. The statute established a bipartisan commission to make recommendations to Congress and the Secretary of Defense on closures and realignments. Lawmakers had to accept or reject the commission´s report in its entirety. On December 28, 1988, the commission issued its report, recommending closure of 86 installations, partial closure of 5, and realignment of 54 others. The Secretary of Defense approved its recommendation on January 5, 1989.<br><br>Since the commission approach adopted by Congress was successful, new base closure legislation was introduced which also relied on the services of an independent commission. Congress refined the process in 1990 with another law (PL 101-510) that charged the Defense Department with drawing up an initial list of bases for consideration by the commission. This commission, in accordance with a statutory provision, met in 1991, 1993, and 1995. The Defense Base Closure and Realignment of 1990 (1990 Base Closure Act), Public Law 101-510 established the process by which Department of Defense (DOD) installations would be closed and/or realigned. "<br><br><br>Clinton's inauguration was in January, 1993. By then the ink had dried on the realignment orders. Add to that local politics involved in the realignment commissions, and the big money involved in the dissemination and auction of government property.<br><br>Everyone had dollar signs in their eyes when they called for base closures, except for the local workers put out of business each time a base shut their doors. <p></p><i></i>

[toscaveritas]

ssssuuure!!<br><br>Did Clinton also put the 19 fake 'hijacker' names on the FBI list, which the FBI admitted were STOLEN identities? Did he also erase their names from the passenger lists? Did Billy 'pull' WTC 7? geez, so many questions.....<br><br><br>while ALL the talking heads, including Bill Clinton, have remained SILENT on any 911 questions- it is an extreme illusion to STILL believe in a two -party system! They are ONE and the same! ONE and the same capitalist/fascist/empirialist clan of war/drug profiteers! there are NO innocent in this crime! BUSH KNEW, his inner circle KNEW, the SS knew , I wouldnt be surprised if Billy knew-- the list is LONG and the complicit are plenty!<br><br>give me a break- wake up or make room for those who are! two party paradigm dummies have served their masters long enough-- the time will come soon, when they will have to step aside for the true patriots and revolutionaries for the good of mankind<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[maggrwaggr]

Yeah, right.<br><br>9/11 happened because the military was scaled back?<br><br>No.<br><br>9/11 happened because Clinton made Bush and Condi Rice not listen to Clarke?<br><br>9/11 happened because Clinton somehow made Bush ignore the PDB?<br><br>If you SERIOUSLY think that Clinton somehow caused 9/11 then you're nothing but a sick pathetic loser who has swallowed all the kooolaiid that the rightwing has cummed down your throat.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Louissss]

I was only going by what I've heard from various people regarding Clinton's intelligence cutbacks. I am open to constructive criticism and I definitely don't mind being told that I'm wrong. Especially since I don't know much about 9/11. This is my first post on a forum and I was hoping that people would respond with information to the contrary of my post. So keep the new information coming!<br><br>Maggrwaggr: If you would have read my entire post, you would see that I said that 9/11 happened because Clinton pulled so many deeply imbedded intelligence agents out of the middle east. I simply listed more of his political flaws that I have heard about. I don't doubt that Bush, and many others, ignored intelligence reports. That is why I started this discussion. I want to learn more about the subject. But keep the insults out of your posts. I'm not going to get into a childish name calling match with you for the amusement of the immature.<br><br>Again, I was only going by what I've heard, so keep the new information coming! <p></p><i></i>

[slimmouse]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Again, I was only going by what I've heard, so keep the new information coming!<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br> If you really want to learn about 9/11, then you couldnt have come to a much better place IMO.<br><br> A really great place to start is to look at Jeffs blog regarding the "coincidence theorists" guide to 9/11. You will find it in the archives on the Rigorous blogspot under the 9/11 section. Its a long read ( especially when following the hyperlinks) but well worth the time, if you truly wish to understand how the whole official version is little more that a pile of poop.<br><br> The evidence for Govnt complicity, right from stand down orders issued to the USAF, to the clearly controlled demolition of the 3 buildings to the shambolic Kangeroo court that was the kean commission, to the major financial beneficiaries from the atrocity is absolutely overwhelming.<br><br> In the sense that Clinton KNOWS the perps behind 9/11, as does Bush, then you have a point to a very limited extent. A close inspection of OKC would clearly illustrate that the cigar man himself wasnt averse to the idea of letting his own people murder innocent civilians in the name of "progress"<br><br> Unfortunately however, as other posters here have pointed out to you, this "democracy" we live in is little more than an elite club who treat you and I as morons or "useless eaters" to use a kissingerism.<br><br> Can we take our lives back ? Sure we can, if we can demonstrate the will. Look for future articles on here regarding the councils of 12. Otherwise, simply brace ourselves for much much more of the same - and worse. <p></p><i></i>

[dbeach]

clinton and bush are in same crime families..clinton who is another military avoider was the set-iup man ..he gave us the carrot and the good times rolled..now bush hits us with the stick as the1984 world becomes reality<br><br>ALL the monied elites are in on the gig..<br>nice TV adds with clinton and poppy o dialing for dollars for Tusnami relief..Would you give money to them??<br><br>bush criminals are in it longer than clinton..both have same goals..POLICE STATE with them incharge.<br><br>the elites have destroyed the 2 party system.<br><br>clintons are the biggest phony balloneys.<br><br>hilly shillin for war as she votes against Vets benefits in Dec 2004<br><br>Dems and Repukes are aboutthe same..<br><br> 2008 clinton kerry edwards bly<br><br>bunch of criminals<br><br>bush may be dictator by 2008 if they pull off the nuke attacks on the USA whcih means martila law<br><br>see if writing clinton will get ya out of the death camps.<br><br>it could NEVER happen here..SURE!! <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>shambolic Kangeroo court that was the kean commission<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Speaking of which, has anyone ever come across a comprehensive article detailing the backgrounds of the 9/11 commission members, as well as staff members? I swear that half of the list had to be operators--Kean himself, Bob Kerrey (irony there, a terrorist who got appointed to investigate terrorists), and Zelikow.<br><br><br>commission members:<br><!--EZCODE CENTER START--><div style="text-align:center">Thomas H. Kean<br>Chair <br><br>Lee H. Hamilton<br>Vice Chair <br><br>Richard Ben-Veniste <br>Fred F. Fielding <br>Jamie S. Gorelick <br>Slade Gorton <br>Bob Kerrey <br>John F. Lehman <br>Timothy J. Roemer <br>James R. Thompson</div><!--EZCODE CENTER END--> <br>commission staff<br><br><!--EZCODE CENTER START--><div style="text-align:center">Philip D. Zelikow<br>Executive Director <br><br>Chris Kojm<br>Deputy Executive Director <br><br>Daniel Marcus<br>General Counsel</div><!--EZCODE CENTER END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p097.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=chiggerbit@rigorousintuition>chiggerbit</A> at: 8/14/05 8:12 am<br></i>

[AnnaLivia]

Hello, Louissss. <br><br>Being a relative newbie myself, I’m always curious about the route by which others reach a place like RI . Might I ask how long have you been online, how you discovered RI, and at what other sites you have been reading? Got a personal favorite information site to share with us? <br> <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

By the way, Louissss, the "Clinton did it!!!" cliché is a giggle around this site. If the headlines say, for instance, "Bush Falls While Riding Bike", we will immediately say, "Clinton did it!", mimicking the usual knee-jerk reaction of the right-wingers to always blame Clinton.<br><br>Welcome to the board. You'll get lots of information here to chew on, savor, swallow some of it, maybe spit some out. Enjoy! <p></p><i></i>

[dbeach]

cloakanddagger.de said last yr clintons and kerry aided in 9/11 out of kerrys Boston office with the use of credit cards<br><br>Cloak has lil credibility to many but thier stories recently of bush indicted and the Generals coup in Pentagon may have some Truths.<br><br>SORRY about the anit-clinton rant.<br><br>My larger issue is that the USA has been ruled either in the VP or Pres by Yale U since 1980 .<br><br>Look at the current mess.. think maybe S.& B. may be a real threat and think WHY does yale U not ban the secret society [they have tried in past } and I do know clinton is not S.& B. <p></p><i></i>

[AnnaLivia]

dbeach, sugar, why on earth would you be sorry for an anti-clinton rant?<br><br>let the guilty carry their burden of guilt. i'm NOT saying let clintons carry away shrubya's guilt, i'm saying let them carry their own. <p></p><i></i>

[dbeach]

my pt is that YALE U needs an investigation<br><br>clinotn although of cours he is a criminal is just a whippin boy for the busheviks and /or the repukes in general<br><br>many former Duers post here and some may even think clinton actually represenst them ?<br><br>so guess I would rather use some sugar then soak em with vinegar on a sponge..<br><br><br>ALL pols are like babies..often need to be changed<br><br>although I would say this that if the busheviks go down ..watch how the pols position themselves as the defenders of FREEDOM <p></p><i></i>

[chiggerbit]

(When You're Happy and You Know iIt, Clap Your Hands)<br><br>When you boss shaves your vacation<br>blame the Dems.<br>When your company outsources your job<br>blame the Dems.<br>When John Ascroft tries to spy, <br>Don Rumsfeld sends your son to die,<br>and Georgie Bush tells a lie<br>blame the Dems <p></p><i></i>

[mourningdove]

chiggerbit,<br>The Family Steering Committee has some background info on Commission members at <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.911independentcommission.org/biographies.html">their site.</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>The "Jersey Girls" also have a very comprehensive list of unanswered questions on that site, directed at several members of the bush administration, various government people and agencies, and yes, Clinton. <br>Good starting point for those wanting to investigate the inconsistancies of 9/11.<br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.911independentcommission.org/questions.html">Unanswered Questions</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--><br>Peace. <p></p><i></i>