by Qutb » Fri Oct 07, 2005 9:42 pm
Good and funny post, and though it probably wasn't your intention, you described my frustration fairly accurately <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>I agree that 9/11 was "mihop" - it was made to happen on purpose, by <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>someone</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. The whole point for me, is to figure out who those people were. "The Government" just won't do. 3 million people work for the federal government. They weren't all in on it. And I don't have a case I'm ready to present, so how to convince people isn't a problem I'm concerned about at the moment. I don't propagandize about "9/11 mihop" or try to convert nonbelievers. What is needed is above all more people with inside knowledge of anything even remotely relevant who are willing to come forward. The few who have done so have contributed a lot to my personal picture of what happened.<br><br>I think it's important to remember that we don't need 9/11 to convince people that Bush and Blair and their cronies are bad people who should be impeached and removed. Hell, we're actually on the majority side now, in that respect. The invasion of Iraq was a greater crime than 9/11, in my opinion, and there's no doubt who did <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>that</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->. In that regard, your question, "why bother" with 9/11 has some relevance... but it's still a great, unsolved crime and exposing it would quite likely expose the hidden side of our political system, and that's why I'm interested in it.<br><br>Regarding evidence, you're right, it would take 9 hours to go through it all. I think much of the most interesting evidence is less known stuff, like the story of Convar, the German company which was given the task of doing data recovery of the WTC hard drives, and which was bought up by Wall Street CIA cut-out Kroll shortly after they found evidence of a very unusual volume of money movements immediately before and after the planes hit. Of course, no one has heard anything more about those transactions. Then look at Kroll, and Jerry Hauer, who worked for them, a very interesting character, and his relationship with John O'Neill, who is interesting too... but that stuff is what you want to avoid, obviously. <br><br>And all of those connections and little curious pieces of information are just screaming for further investigation, but no one's investigating them, sadly. (Well, except for Hopsicker, and in a perfect world there would be a hundred people like him)<br><br>There's also the more obvious stuff - all the forewarnings which were not heeded, for instance. We know that nothing whatsoever was done, counter-terrorism-wise, while fairly precise forewarnings kept coming in. The obvious lie of "no one could have imagined something like that". It's easy to argue criminal negligence on the part of the Bush administration, which is of course a lot "nicer" than the whole ugly truth but damning nonetheless and a lot easier to prove. That alone is cause for impeachment, IMO. <br><br>When you get into the sabotage of local investigations by FBI HQ (by Dave Frasca of the FBI's Radical Fundamentalist Unit), it becomes obvious that it's more than just criminal negligence, but the administration has plausible deniability in "incompetence", and it's hard to prove anything - the incompetence theory regarding the treatment of Coleen Rowley was argued by David Corn at his most annoying. <br><br>Something I'd like to emphasize: there's a lot of evidence that there were a lot of people all over the world who knew something was about to happen, or be carried out by the network centred on Bin Laden. The 15 countries or so that warned about this, is evidence enough that 9/11 wasn't concocted by Cheney's energy task force, as some have alleged. I think the reluctance on the part of the administration to release any evidence against Bin Laden and associates is because they are protecting this network, not because these people didn't have anything to do with it.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Keep it simple and trust your instincts<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I agree about that, which is why I'm reluctant to believe the more elaborate scenarios, such as CD, switching planes etc. <p><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="color:black;font-family:century gothic;font-size:x-small;"><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></span><!--EZCODE FONT END--><br><br></p><i></i>
