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"This is a conspiracy nation"

Postby nomo » Mon Nov 07, 2005 2:44 pm

CONSPIRACY THEORIES<br><br>The truth is out there - maybe<br>BY MARY VOBORIL<br>STAFF WRITER<br><br>November 6, 2005<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.newsday.com/mynews/ny-nycons064501480nov06,0,3646822.story">www.newsday.com/mynews/ny...6822.story</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Sept. 11 conspiracy theories have edged into the mainstream.<br><br>In September, Fire Department chaplain candidate Imam Intikab Habib questioned whether Osama bin Laden and al-Qaida were responsible for the attacks, then quickly withdrew from the job. A short time later came a two-day conference in New York City that was built around the charge that "controlled demolition" brought down the World Trade Center.<br><br>Conspiracy books proliferate, and the Internet is such a cyber-trove of 9/11 arcana - Google the term "9/11 conspiracy," and 5.4 million entries turn up - that one site includes a primer, "Navigation for 9/11 Newbies."<br><br>As a cultural phenomenon, though, it's all been seen before: This is a conspiracy nation, and it has been almost since its founding. Those who study conspiracy rhetoric say beliefs in various 9/11 cabals are entirely predictable, that conspiracy narratives, ranging from the thoughtful and plausible to the fringy and fanciful, always have been threaded throughout American culture. (In late 2003, the 925-page "Conspiracy Theories in American History: An Encyclopedia" was published.)<br><br><br><br>Sense of comfort<br><br>A recurring trend, conspiracy theories tend to emerge after major national events as a means of making sense of the senseless.<br><br>"The most ambitious conspiracy theories are, in a way, oddly comforting to the people who hold them," said Michael Barkun, a professor of political science at Syracuse University and the author of "A Culture of Conspiracy: Apocalyptic Visions in Contemporary America," published in 2003.<br><br>Historically, Barkun said, conspiracy theories share "a number of related characteristics: that nothing happens by accident, that nothing is as it seems, that everything is connected. Conspiracy theorists have a view of the world in which there is no coincidence - nothing happens because of human stupidity or randomness. Somehow, everything is part of a pattern."<br><br>And, said Mark Fenster, a University of Florida assistant law professor whose book "Conspiracy Theories: Secrecy and Power in American Culture" was published in 1999, "The greater the trauma, the more the desire to have some sort of rational explanation for it ... a desire to have things be explicable in a cause-and-effect framework."<br><br>When an official account finally does emerge, added Chip Berlet, a senior analyst at Political Research Associates, an independent nonprofit based in Somerville, Mass., "there often aren't answers to all the questions. In any investigation, many paths lead nowhere," leaving some disgruntled, angst-ridden and suspicious.<br><br>Conspiracy theorists then "turn to the only explanation that's left, which discards randomness," said Berlet, who has studied conspiracy movements. "They develop a very comforting and simple theory that ultimately a handful of really bad people did it."<br><br>The way some people connect the dots, 9/11 was the work of the U.S. military; the Twin Towers and 7 World Trade Center were wired with explosives and deliberately blown up; a satellite-guided missile, not a hijacked jet, plowed into the Pentagon; the jet that crashed in a Pennsylvania field actually was shot down by Sidewinder missiles.<br><br>Some of those who promulgate conspiracy theories are angry and powerless, Berlet said, and to those susceptible to conspiracy theories, "they become a hero because they are sounding the alarms."<br><br>Before the Internet, alarms were sounded by word of mouth or by publications that rarely merited serious note in the mainstream media. The blogosphere changed that, with everyone now his or her own desktop publisher. Anyone with low-grade fears or suspicions can find kindred spirits almost instantly.<br><br><br><br>Seeds of fear<br><br>Some conspiracy theories spring up as an overreaction to "the fear and the loathing that occurs when there is destruction or damage," said Dr. Marc Siegel, who teaches at New York University Medical Center and whose latest book is "False Alarm: The Truth About the Epidemic of Fear."<br><br>But a contributing factor, he said, is that "the United States government and others are not inspiring confidence. You almost get a choice: You either inspire people through positive emotion or through negative emotion.<br><br>"Right now, the climate is fear. If the government is scaring people all the time, it's only about three steps away from that to distrust the government, too, and say, 'What did they do? Are they behind it?'"<br><br>"Fear easily turns to paranoia when there is a climate of distrust that the government is participating in, when you cannot trust your information sources," Siegel said.<br><br>That in turn spawns conspiracy theories, which columnist Christopher Hitchens calls "the white noise which moves in to fill the vacuity of the official version."<br><br>For all the transfiguring awfulness of 9/11, subsequent conspiracies have not overtaken the public imagination the way the Kennedy assassination did in 1963, a skepticism that persists to this day.<br><br>Conspiracy has been a recurring topic in political discourse since ancient times, though the most fertile ground has been that of American history, according to Michael William Pfau, whose book "The Political Style of Conspiracy: Chase, Sumner and Lincoln," is to be published this month.<br><br>In the 1850s, for example, the North and the South used conspiracy theories to discredit each other. Southerners feared that Northerners conspired to create slave revolts because the North sought to destroy the institution of slavery. Northerners believed that Southerners were determined to spread slavery throughout the Western states. The Republican party, Pfau says, rose to power in 1860 partly through the use of such rhetoric.<br><br><br><br>Kernels of truth<br><br>Florida's Fenster noted in a telephone interview that to label something a conspiracy theory "is an act of political rhetoric. It's an act of de-legitimization of something." And some of those who study so-called "conspiracy narratives" say it's a mistake to automatically dismiss or marginalize them, because sometimes they hint at a larger truth.<br><br>Or they are exactly on target.<br><br>In the 1960s, some warned of FBI surveillance of dissidents and infiltration of anti-war and countercultural groups, and they were disdained as paranoid. That very activity, of course, was a staple of the J. Edgar Hoover era, as were Cold War claims that the civil rights, voting rights and other progressive movements were "communist conspiracies."<br><br>Fears that the government deliberately spread AIDS and recreational drugs in inner cities may strain credulity, but, in the infamous Tuskegee syphilis program, the U.S. Public Health Service did experiment on 399 black men, a program that ended only in 1972.<br><br>Supposedly complicit in the 9/11 cover-ups is the national media cartel - which leads Berlet, of Political Research Associates, to wonder, "How could there be a conspiracy involving the military, the executive branch, Congress and the media in which somebody didn't rat it out and get a Pulitzer Prize?"<br><br>He adds, "It's very difficult to maintain conspiracies over any length of time with a large number of people. Inevitably, someone rats it out. Or someone gets arrested and turns."<br><br>Copyright 2005 Newsday Inc. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "This is a conspiracy nation"

Postby dbeach » Mon Nov 07, 2005 2:52 pm

"Supposedly complicit in the 9/11 cover-ups is the national media cartel - which leads Berlet, of Political Research Associates, to wonder, "How could there be a conspiracy involving the military, the executive branch, Congress and the media in which somebody didn't rat it out and get a Pulitzer Prize?"'<br><br>I CAN'T RESPOND WELL TO THIS but HE SOUNDS LIKE HE IS COVERING for the elites who have silenced the MM for cash and perks.<br><br>CUZ its easier and more profitable to sell your nation as most have done in the MM ,all of Conjobgress,all of the executive and judicial and most of the higher ranks of the US Military and Intell<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Pulitzer Prize?

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:09 pm

That's something Gerald Posner gets nominated for. <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "This is a conspiracy nation"

Postby sunny » Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:16 pm

Not surprisingly, the usual talking points emerge, namely:<br>1.- We are "comforted" by conspiracy theories- as if knowing of the existence of powerful cabals that are plotting against our best interests, killing our progressive leaders <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>and</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> ordinary citizens, that we are powerless to control or stop, makes us sleep better at night. Give me a lone nut any day. <br><br>2.- The ubiquitous "rats"- as if we were talking about the Great Train Robbery or some other high adventure, wherein some participant in the event could relate his hi-jinks to an appreciative audience and expect oohs and ahhs. People have been killed for trying to tell the truth about the Kennedy assassination, and woe to the one who admits complicity in 9/11. Mass murder and political assassinations are not something that people want to admit to. They might get "chased down the street and lynched." <p></p><i></i>
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also compartmentalization

Postby Rigorous Intuition » Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:30 pm

is never acknowledged, as though everyone who has a hand in the crimes and their cover-ups were briefed on the Big Picture. Most are just doing their job, being responsible for their one little dot, and are not connecting them. <p></p><i></i>
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re: MM, institutional complicity in covering-up conspiracies

Postby StarmanSkye » Mon Nov 07, 2005 3:31 pm

DBeach sed:<br><br>"CUZ its easier and more profitable to sell your nation as most have done in the MM ,all of Conjobgress,all of the executive and judicial and most of the higher ranks of the US Military and Intell."<br><br>Yessss -- But in addition, not to be overlooked, is the tremendous pressure, or coercion, to 'go along' and not make waves -- whether thru concern over job security and related perks, ie. retirement, benefits, acclaim, status, prestige, etc. --and to avoid being Blackballed or being mercilessly discreditted, criticized and attacked (as Gary Wells was) -- OR via concern over personal safety, as by intimidation and overt/covert threats, and even in many cases outright Blackmail or bribes.<br><br>The organizational elites of Powerful, well-connected and wealthy Players are, as we've seen (and has been commented on) playing to their OWN rules, and even making-it-up as they go along. The fraud and corruption and collusion goes 'back' in history as far as one can look -- and W/R/T American History, the Founding Fathers, for the most part, shared a profound contempt for the 'common' people -- it's hardly an accident that this has never been formally acknowledged, since it contradicts the carefully-constructed and maintained myths of American idealism-in-action, ie. social justice, equality, personal-autonomy, Human Rights -- in which the State supposedly zealously protects and preserves the personal and public interest against abuses and frauds, etc.<br><br>Excellant link re: what the Founding Fathers REALLY believed -- and which shows that the Insiders' Rigged Game is as 'American' as Apple Pie.<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://cyberjournal.org/cj/authors/fresia/#c1">cyberjournal.org/cj/authors/fresia/#c1</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>(I'm passing this along which as I recall another Forum frequent poster here provided).<br><br>*****<br>"Supposedly complicit in the 9/11 cover-ups is the national media cartel - which leads Berlet, of Political Research Associates, to wonder, "How could there be a conspiracy involving the military, the executive branch, Congress and the media in which somebody didn't rat it out and get a Pulitzer Prize?"'<br><br><br>ONE answer to the above posed question -- Considering the long-odds against living long enough to 'enjoy' the acclaim of a Pulitzer Prize is likely enough to persuade MANY journalists and investigators that some 'stories' are just too hot. 'Wellstoned' hasn't entered the popular American lexicon by accident (!!!).<br>Starman <p></p><i></i>
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Re: what will reaction by New Yorkers be?

Postby manxkat » Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:19 pm

One would think that Newsday might get a shitload of letters to the editor in response to this article. That <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20040830120349841" target="top">Zogby poll</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> from August 2004 showed that 50% of NYC believe the gov't knew about 9/11 beforehand.<br><br>Does Newsday care more about carrying this administration's water than being fair and balanced to its readership? If you live in NY, give 'em hell.<br><br><!--EZCODE MAIL START--><a href="mailto:letters@newsday.com"> letters@newsday.com</a><!--EZCODE MAIL END--> <p></p><i></i>
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i heart thomas jefferson ANYWAY

Postby AnnaLivia » Mon Nov 07, 2005 4:31 pm

i think we risk playing RIGHT into the hands of the wealthpowerful to disparage the founding fathers! (think about it.) were they perfect? do i have to answer that again? but wouldn't this view (below) help us achieve our goals? it has heavy merit, in my book.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.monetary.org/briefusmonetaryhistory.htm">www.monetary.org/briefusm...istory.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>on edit so i don't sidetrack the topic: when the bloody bloomin jeepers DIDN'T people with too much wealthpower conspire to keep it at our expense? <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=annalivia@rigorousintuition>AnnaLivia</A> at: 11/7/05 1:33 pm<br></i>
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Chip Berlet rides again. He was just in Lip Magazine.

Postby Watchful Citizen » Mon Nov 07, 2005 5:08 pm

The Powers That Be are badjacketing the internet for its expose of mainstream-military media lies.<br><br>Notice that this article doesn't mention the firefighter's eye/ear witnessing of controlled demolition, just goes right to the 'emotional need' for answers.<br><br>The internet is being portrayed as all 'conspiricism' and discussion boards are sown with cointelpro divisiveness using every polarity imaginable but especially US-Israeli themes to get the heat of anti-semitism to block the light, too . That's worked especially well the last 100 years.<br><br>I think the alphabet agencies send Thumperton-esque types to stir up suspicions of each other and also create many websites to weave reality with disinfo like this one:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.wovoca.com/controversies-black-science-black-operations.htm">www.wovoca.com/controvers...ations.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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"comforting" conspiracy theories

Postby kornholio » Mon Nov 07, 2005 7:17 pm

Does anyone know when this claim arose that conspiracy theories are "comforting" or "reassuring" because they sometimes make sense? I never used to hear that, but now it's de rigeur in any mainstream discussion of conspiracy theories.<br><br>The idea seems ridiculous on the face of it. I personally would find it far more reassuring and comfortable to believe that the system basically works; that our "democracy" isn't a sham; that our rulers would never stage spectacular acts of mass murder to whip up public sentiment for war, and that if they ever tried, our watchdog news media wouldn't let them get away with it. I would find it very reassuring to believe that the worst enemies we have to worry about are a handful of crazy jihadis in a cave. Maybe that's just me, but I doubt it.<br><br>I just skimmed "The Paranoid Style in American Politics" and couldn't find any suggestion of this meme. Can anyone point out earlier occurrences of the idea? Was it an original thought by Michael Barkun or Mark Fenster, the professors quoted in the article? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "comforting" conspiracy theories

Postby sunny » Mon Nov 07, 2005 7:53 pm

Was it an original thought by Michael Barkun or Mark Fenster, the professors quoted in the article? <br>___________________________________<br><br>Definitely not, they are continuing a tradition that began at least with G. Robert Blakey during the whole "JFK" movie firestorm. At the time, Warren Commission members and defenders came out of the wood work to repeat, ad nauseum, the talking points I reiterated above. It probably began much earlier, though this was the first time I became aware of it.<br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Each and every time</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> conspiracy theories are discussed in the mainstream, look for these themes and variations therof, such as "No one can keep a secret in Washington" twist on "rats". <p></p><i></i>
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Re: "comforting" conspiracy theories

Postby AnnaLivia » Mon Nov 07, 2005 7:58 pm

it's 180 degree spin to turn the terrible burden of knowing, into comfort or reassurance. i hope the berlet types choke on a pretzel. a stale and moldy pretzel. assholes. <p></p><i></i>
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America

Postby eric144 » Mon Nov 07, 2005 8:19 pm

The reason why America is a conspiracy nation is because everything the country supposedly stands for is a lie. To maintain the illusion of liberty, democracy etc. enemies have to be created and dark deeds carried out.<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=eric144>eric144</A> at: 11/7/05 5:28 pm<br></i>
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Re: America

Postby AnnaLivia » Mon Nov 07, 2005 8:26 pm

you go ahead and throw the baby out with the bathwater, eric. keep telling everybody there's no hope and nothing good here worth restoring.<br><br>i have other plans.<br><br>on edit: i just saw in another thread where you don't give any blame to Ariel Sharon, yet you rail against Thomas Jefferson around here.<br><br>sheesh. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=annalivia@rigorousintuition>AnnaLivia</A> at: 11/7/05 5:28 pm<br></i>
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Re: America

Postby sunny » Mon Nov 07, 2005 8:37 pm

Starman, you wrote:<br>"American idealism-in-action, ie. social justice, equality, personal-autonomy, Human Rights -- in which the State supposedly zealously protects and preserves the personal and public interest against abuses and frauds, etc."<br><br>Maybe the <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>state</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> has maintained those ideals as myths to mollify the masses, but real Americans have fought and died on the streets of this country and won sweet victories on those fronts, in <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>spite</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> of the state. and these victories are no less real, heroic, and beneficial to all Americans for having come from the outside in. That's what it's all about, right? The theory of "we the people" beacame reality with The Civil Rights Act, Social Security Act, Womens Suffrage, Labor laws emcompassing minimum wage, 40 hr work week,etc., you know I could go on and on. But this illustrates why all of us are concerned with conspiracy- the underhanded tactics to undo all of the good that we have achieved- and a poignant reminder of why we are so anguished.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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