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Re: FourthBase

Postby FourthBase » Tue Aug 29, 2006 7:55 pm

<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>What's the evidence?<br>Who are the expert witnesses?<br><br>Summarize, please.<br>Don't post-flood this thread.<br>Just the facts. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Witnesses

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:00 pm

Does anyone else take seriously the firefighter's oral histories that describe not just the sight and sounds of controlled demolition but also their own statements that they thought that's what it was?<br><br>Professionals who are first-hand eye-witnesses.<br><br>Anyone else? <p></p><i></i>
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Naming Names

Postby greencrow0 » Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:00 pm

They arrested that jonbenet fraud and brought him over from Thailand on very flimsy evidence...<br><br>yet they can't arrest the 9/11 perps on a MOUNTAIN of evidence?<br><br>I'm tired of waiting.<br><br>arrest:<br><br>Cheney<br><br>Bush<br><br>Silverstein<br><br>Rice<br><br>Meyers<br><br>Chertkoff<br><br>Ashcroft<br><br>Rove<br><br>Libby<br><br>et al<br><br>for mass murder!<br><br>I want to see some law enforcement officials with come cojones.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Naming Names

Postby FourthBase » Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:05 pm

Greencrow, I repeat:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>What's the evidence?<br>Who are the expert witnesses?<br><br>Summarize, please.<br>Don't post-flood this thread.<br>Just the facts.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>What's the <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>evidence that a jury will convict them</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> with? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Naming Names

Postby greencrow0 » Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:11 pm

Fourth<br><br>I played that game for at least 2 years...I'm finished playing it.<br><br>the evidence is all on the public record...at least 1,000 very good websites and I've personally visited about 500 of them.<br><br>cooperativeresearch.ca.<br><br>is just one of hundreds.<br><br>You want to play <br><br>strawman<br><br>red herring<br><br>and bait and switch<br><br>but I've already played all those games ad nauseum. That phase is over. You do your own research. We've moved on.<br><br>Of course, I won't try to get you banned if you persist on re-hashing old and discredited arguments...that's your<br><br>prerogative<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>gc <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Naming Names

Postby FourthBase » Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:18 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Does anyone else take seriously the firefighter's oral histories that describe not just the sight and sounds of controlled demolition but also their own statements that they thought that's what it was?<br><br>Professionals who are first-hand eye-witnesses.<br><br>Anyone else?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>I happened to be reading them today on this site:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.journalof911studies.com/">www.journalof911studies.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>There are several that describe a series of "booms" preceding the collapses. And there are a crucial handful that describe seeing explosive flashes at eye level, with at least one description of the flashes ascending upward. Stephen Gregory's testimony was the most interesting, IMO, and quite compelling.<br><br>Otherwise, almost all of the descriptions there can be attributed to the <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>apparent<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em> explosive nature of the collapses when the witness is on ground level and looking up at the building tearing apart, and the explosive sounds described are almost all singular in nature and directly connected to the initial stage of the collapse or the roaring sound of the collapse or the sound of debris hitting the</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Naming Names

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:19 pm

GC's wish-<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I want to see some law enforcement officials with come cojones.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>That ain't gonna happen. Take the JFK hit as an example.<br><br>Many people enabled the cover-up who weren't in on the hit and wouldn't wish for it either.<br><br>Why? Because the rationale at the time was "Do you want another Missiles of October situation with a nuclear conflagration to result if people think it could've been the USSR or Cuba dunnit? <br>Just bury the patsy and let us heal and move on."<br><br>That's probably what was fed to Sen. Arlen 'Magic Bullet' Specter and he jumped at the chance to 'not make things worse.'<br><br>Well, see how the same rationale might be used post-911?<br>I'm sure many in the Air Force, NORAD, etc. realize that someone used the war games as cover to 'go live' and they don't want to make things worse by saying the Emperor Has No Clothes while our troops are held hostage by their own command structure.<br><br>I have no doubt that there is a secret unit in the DIA that is looking into how 9/11 happened right under their noses but it is deep cover and they sure aren't going to tell the world "Aha! It was an inside job and - OOPS- sorry about the invasions and torture and here is your trillions of dollars back." <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 8/29/06 6:21 pm<br></i>
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Re: Naming Names

Postby FourthBase » Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:30 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>You want to play <br><br>strawman<br><br>red herring<br><br>and bait and switch<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>WTF are you talking about, jackass? <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br>I asked you two simple questions:<br>Evidence. Witnesses.<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>What are the facts that would be presented to a jury in order for them to convict the perps in a court of law?</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Name them.<br>Name <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>some</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>but I've already played all those games ad nauseum. That phase is over. You do your own research. We've moved on.<br><br>Of course, I won't try to get you banned if you persist on re-hashing old and discredited arguments...<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>You are not "we".<br>Genuine dialogue is not a "game".<br><br>I will hound you until you answer those questions.<br>If you wanted to aggravate someone on this site...<br>You picked the wrong person. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Naming Names

Postby greencrow0 » Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:49 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins">p216.ezboard.com/brigorou...anateewins</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>good post H M W<br><br>Yes, the signposts are all there, from JFK and even before right up to 9/11.<br><br>The perps rely on the 'don't rock the boat' syndrome and apathy to get away...and live to terrorize another day.<br><br>Only when Americans [do what the Mexicans are doing now regarding their fraudulent general election]...stand and fight for due process and justice...will it ever end.<br><br>gc<br><br><br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Naming Names

Postby NewKid » Tue Aug 29, 2006 8:53 pm

John Albanese, maker of Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime, weighs in on this issue. <br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://oldamericancentury.com/albanese_010.htm" target="top">oldamericancentury.com/albanese_010.htm</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Albanese's facing up

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:12 pm

Thanks for that, Newkid.<br><br>Despite what John 'bury-the-patsy-and-move-on McCain is pushing at us in the Popular Mechanics disinfo, the science and facts are with the 9/11 truth movement.<br><br>Again, the science and the facts are with the 9/11 truth movement.<br><br>And we need to stand fast and repeat what we know as often as the Big Lie is repeated.<br><br>And THAT is the way to honor the dead and the heroes so theren't won't be too many more dead heroes.. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Naming Names

Postby darkbeforedawn » Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:15 pm

This is a reality game. The people who create our reality are going with the boogey man in the cave, the 19 kids with box cutters and the strangely inept air defense. They tell us what to think and if you were really good Americans like FB and Qutb you would think it too. Who needs the evidence and the witnesses when you have CNN and NBC and NPR andFox, Ed Shultz, and David Corn and Alexander Cockburn The New York Times and Corporate owned media. They are the ones setting the agenda and they are ones framing the questions. Evidence???What Evidence?? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Naming Names

Postby FourthBase » Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:19 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>There are simply <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>too many</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> eyewitness accounts from members of our emergency services – police and firemen – of multiple explosions occurring in rapid succession immediately preceding the collapse – far below the impact/fire zones. The sheer number of witnesses who immediately (and separately) referred to these explosions as being “like a controlled demolition” or “like bombs going off” is inexplicable in its scope – but, even more damning, inexplicable in that <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>these eyewitness accounts were intentionally suppressed by our government, have remained uninvestigated, with the evidence at ground zero (a crime scene) quickly removed and shipped to China</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>- How many?<br>- That last part <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>is</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> compelling.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>47 core columns in each of the two towers appeared to simply disintegrate, despite no damage from fire or impact from the planes. When one considers the inherent strength of an array of 47 core steel columns, with multiple redundant weight-baring support beams in place, it is simply inexplicable to explain their total and catastrophic failure – in two buildings – in nearly identical fashion.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>- There was something that lingered after the WTC1 collapse; was it the remnants of core columns?<br>- Yes, one would expect the core columns to at least create a staggered collapse, but there's the sheer weight and force of the falling portions to consider.<br>- If two identical commercial planes crashed into towers that were built literally identical to each other, then one might expect that the consequences could be almost identical.<br>- And yet, the collapses were <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>not</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> almost identical. WTC2's top portion toppled, WTC1's did not. That's a rather major difference. And the debris clouds from each were unique in their own messy ways.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Even if we are to believe that these 47 core steel columns were unable to withstand a progressive top-to-bottom collapse, and failed accordingly, certainly (at the very least) these lower floors, with their 47 steel columns and redundant weight baring support beams, would have offered up some resistance, and slowed down the progressive collapse. Yet, both building fell in approximately 10 seconds, at near free-fall speed. This is simply impossible. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>- I tend to agree here that the collapses were too quick and not enough resistance was demonstrated, but the time of the collapses has not been unanimously determined, has it? 10 seconds seems a little fast. Where can I find the exact times?<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>And, if we wait DECADES (as we did with all of these other crimes) to determine the horrible truth – that YES the USA did indeed orchestrate terrorist attacks all over the world, for over a century, as a tool of imperial design – and if we WAIT decades for the ultimate evidence to emerge, as it has now, that the USA has launched one false flag operation after another throughout its sordid history – and if we WAIT decades for the books to be thrown open and the government to finally admit its guilt (as it has done now with its crimes against humanity that are now long buried in our history, for which no one living can now be held accountable),…. it will be too late.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>- True, but if we rush into the public sphere touting conclusions that are not supported as close to 100% as possible by the facts, then we will be doomed to the unheard fringe.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Naming Names

Postby FourthBase » Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:22 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>They tell us what to think and if you were really good Americans like <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>FB</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> and Qutb you would think it too.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>obviously</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> think 9/11 was an inside job, moron.<br>So take that bullshit and shove it up your ass. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Naming Names

Postby FourthBase » Tue Aug 29, 2006 9:23 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Evidence???What Evidence??<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>Right. <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>What evidence?</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> What evidence for WTC1 and WTC2 demolition can right now be presented to a jury for conviction? I want to know. <p></p><i></i>
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