BBC reported WTC7 collapse 23 minutes BEFORE it happened!!!

[Sweejak]

I think we're talking about a corp that had the tapes in the archive one day and lost them the next.

[orz]

They said specifically when they were lost? I must have missed that info... interesting...

[Sweejak]

No I don't think so, however people who have been tracking this closer than I have told me that the "tapes" were in the electronic archive one day and gone the next. We're talking over the space of a day or so.

[orz]

Ahh i see, i think there's some confusion between the BBC allegedly losing the tapes from their archive, and copies of the video having been taken down from the non-BBC-related www.archive.org as detailed here:
http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-v ... ?id=106772

Seems they were part of a beta-test version of a TV news archive, and they claim it was for technical reasons rather than censorship. I believe them; they don't have a history of censorship, have all sorts of stuff of all political persuasions hosted there, and generally seem like a good organisation genuinely dedicated to sharing and archiving media.

[11:11]

They are a proganda rag, and tool. They did their little 9/11 hit piece, last week, and they HAVE an agenda.

Have a look at their own blog - http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2 ... iracy.html

99% are NOT buying their bullshit.

[Sweejak]

We received an interesting e mail from a CNN archivist in Atlanta who stated their utter disbelief at the notion that BBC has lost any of their 9/11 archives.

"I'm an archivist with the CNN News Library in Atlanta, and I can tell you with absolute certainty, the mere idea that news agencies such as ours would "misplace" any airchecks from 9/11 is preposterous. CNN has these tapes locked away from all the others. People like myself, who normally would have access to any tapes in our library, must ask special permission in order to view airchecks from that day. Multiple tapes would have been recording their broadcast that day, and there are also private agencies that record all broadcasts from all channels - constantly - in the event that a news agency missed something or needs something. They don't just have one copy... they have several. It's standard procedure, and as soon as the second plane hit, they would start recording several copies on other tapes machines all day long."
"The only information they need to give out is the source of the collapse claim. No one is saying the BBC is "part of the conspiracy," we're saying that someone gave that reporter the information ahead of time. The source of that information is the only thing they can reveal that would be meaningful."

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/fe ... estamp.htm

[11:11]

I posted to the BBC blog, hours ago, and the comment has not appeared on their site. I'll bet that there are hundreds more they have censored.

[Sweejak]

Via WRH

BBC Archiving policies:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/foi/docs/historica ... ew.htm#top

The following components to be retained:-

· Two broadcast standard copies of all transmitted/published TV, Radio and BBCi output – one to be stored on a separate site as a master

· One browse-quality version for research purposes, to protect the broadcast material

· All supporting metadata to enable research and re-use

· A selection of original (i.e. unedited) material for re-use/re-versioning purposes

· Hardware/software/equipment to enable replay/transfer of the media

01-02

A retention schedule for each set of records kept /archived must be created as defined in the Core Records Policy. Retention periods are set according to the status and value of the record

01-03

A risk assessment must be carried out for all data being kept / archived

01-04

All records identified within the BBCs Core Records Retention Schedule must be retained, and it is the responsibility of the area that has been identified as holders of the master copy to ensure they are stored in an appropriate storage mechanism, and for the agreed period of time.

01-05

It is the responsibility of the person who thinks they are holding Core Records to add their records to the BBC Core Records Retention Schedule.

01-06

Non-core records that are to be retained longer than 2 years must be authorised, and be registered with Information and Archives as part of the Retention Schedule - see Appendix A.1 of the Core Records Policy

01-07

Non-core records that are not authorised, and therefore not registered, must be destroyed in an appropriate manner within 2 years.

02

Access

02-01

All media content must be available for use by other BBC departments when it has been broadcast/published. The only exceptions to this will be content which has been restricted for legal or editorial reasons. All valid restrictions on use should be notified to the Sound Archivist, Television Archivist or New Media Archivist as appropriate

02-02

Wherever possible copies will be made available for loan, but original Television and Radio programme masters will be issued for broadcast requirements

02-03

All loans of Radio and Television archive material will be for two weeks. Renewals will be possible, but overdue items will be subject to a fine. This will improve the security of the archive and ensure access to the BBC’s prime assets - its programme content.

03

Storage Requirements

03-01

All media and metadata must be stored securely in the correct conditions to minimise damage and degradation, following industry best practice

04

Archiving

04-01

All transmitted/published media content will be kept for at least five years to fulfil legal requirements and to enable re-versioning and re-use

04-02

All original (unedited) media content will be kept for at least one year. A selection of material with high re-use value (e.g. stock footage/audio) will be kept for five years

04-03

An initial decision about long term archiving must be made at the point content is created. This will be reviewed after one and five years.

04-04

The appropriate metadata relating to broadcast/published content must be kept for ever as a permanent record of what the BBC created

05

Preservation

05-01

An ongoing preservation schedule will be maintained to transfer media content which is in danger of degrading or only exists on obsolete formats. Only content with high research/re-use/heritage value will be preserved.

06

Digitisation

06-01

Content being preserved will also be digitised to enable access at the desktop and reuse in future media asset management systems. Material which has not been identified for preservation will be digitised on demand if it has been selected for broadcast or publication on a website.

07

Disposal

07-01

Media content which falls outside the selection criteria must be disposed of after the agreed retention period in order to maximise analogue and digital storage space. In the first instance it will be offered back to Production to store and manage. If Production have no requirement to retain it, or there is no response within one month, it will be offered to BBC Worldwide and Rights, then to the appropriate external archives (e.g. British Film Institute, National Sound Archive). If there is no taker, the material will be destroyed to prevent misuse. In some cases (e.g. stills) material may be offered for sale.



In all cases a record will be kept for ever which documents the disposal/destruction process.

[Sweejak]

I posted yesterday, it's still not up.

[11:11]

I posted yesterday, it's still not up.

Those cowards. They've prolly been indundated. I must say, though, I was very encouraged by the comments they did let through. My experience with Brits is that they revere the BBC, so it's good to see they've seen through that sham.

[orz]

Seems they were part of a beta-test version of a TV news archive, and they claim it was for technical reasons rather than censorship. I believe them; they don't have a history of censorship, have all sorts of stuff of all political persuasions hosted there, and generally seem like a good organisation genuinely dedicated to sharing and archiving media.

- To avoid any confusion, I'm talking about www.archive.org here, NOT the BBC!!!

[Sweejak]

Understood.

[orz]

They seem to have stopped approving comments on that blog post altogether, which is a real shame.

For all the excited cries of "smoking gun!" I suspect we'll hear no more about this from the BBC, and this whole thing will just be another nebulous addition to the lists of 'unanswered questions' ...a couple of extra minutes for Avery's 'final cut'...

I don't think this particular straw will break any camels' backs.

[Sweejak]

It's hard to count how many incidents would have, should have, broken the camels back and it's hard to guess which one will mark a tipping point or if there will even be a single incident. Does anybody still think that Silverstein's "Pull it" was referring to pulling the firefighters or will they have to use what was formerly a conspiracy theory to explain the BBC's video? So, inch by inch...

I still think this is an important find. It's right there in your face and some of the reaction has been as interesting as the actual incident, for instance, the silence from bloggers who would normaly pick up such a story is interesting... apparently only Wonkette has commented. What is that? Guilt or fear from some of the overzealous "Truther" bashers?

The questions still remain and the censorship remains too. It says a lot.

One commenter on Jeff's blog said:

This is like a
reporter doing a live feed from
Dealy Plaza saying Kennedy has
been shot as JFK drives by in his
limo waving to the crowd...

[orz]

Does anybody still think that Silverstein's "Pull it" was referring to pulling the firefighters or

Does anyone still think it makes a jot of sense that he could possibly be referring to a secret controlled demolition of the building?

Good points otherwise.