Spitzer Not Acting on 9/11 Criminal Investigation Petition

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Postby human » Tue Jun 07, 2005 4:50 pm

i was responding to<br><br>"As to the election, my thoughts are this:"<br><br><br>i dont care what Spitzer does.<br>(and yeah, his lawyer thing doesnt help, but i dont want to turn this thread into one about the Temple Bar Association)<br><br>im not gonna hold my breath waiting for a investigation.<br><br>if it comes it comes.<br><br><br>what I DO care about is showing people the false paradigm they are trapped in...... <br><br>and so thats where i become a pain in the ass and talk the shit like i was before....<br><br>so, just wondering... are you a Mason?<br><br>i think that it would be awesome if you could anonymously post up some secret info... it would contribute greatly to the forum IMO...<br><br>one<br>human? <p></p><i></i>
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Catholics and Masons

Postby antiaristo » Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:10 pm

Human,<br>Unfortunately the Catholic/Mason split is now a false dichotomy.<br>He kept very quiet about it for 20 years, but it turns out that the last Pope gave the OK to Masons back in 1983. But only Scottish Rite Masons, not Grand Orient.<br>This was very important for the Scottish Rite takeover here in Spain. King Juan Carlos is a Garter Knight (KG). Yet the Spanish Constitution, signed by the king in 1978, specifically forbids “Secret societies and those of a military character” (Articulo 22.5).<br>Opus Dei is overwhelmingly Masonic.<br>Speaking as a Catholic, the Vatican is my enemy.<br><br>Spitzer will do nothing because he is a careerist. And they don't take on the Masons.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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What's so BAD about elected officials in secret societies?

Postby Starman » Tue Jun 07, 2005 7:55 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.beyondweird.com/">www.beyondweird.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ctrl.org/boodleboys/boodleboys1.html">www.ctrl.org/boodleboys/boodleboys1.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>What A Long Strange Trip It's Been<br><br>" . . . these same secret societies are behind it all," my father said. Now, Dad had never spoken much about his work.<br><br>You see, my Daddy was a — spy.<br><br>He entered into the "intel" world in the late thirties, later, he was OSS and G-2. During the early fifties he was the CIA's Branch Chief, Head of East Asia Intelligence Analyst Office. I spoke Dutch and Malay before English, whilst my family accompanied my "businessman" father to Indonesia in the early 1950s. That my father had worked for the government was no secret, but it just wasn't everyday conversation.<br><br>So one day, when my dad sat me down, I had very little to relate to when he very soberly and in rapid succession told me, "the Vietnam War is about drugs" and "these secret societies are behind it."<br><br>He then really laid one on me.<br><br>"Communism is all a sham, these same secret societies are behind it all."<br><br>"Hunh???"<br><br>I really couldn't relate. The only "secret society" I knew of was the Mafia and my teachers had been stuffing me under desks because the "commies" were going to bomb us. And since it was the sixties—and I was a teenager with my hair growing longer—I just tossed it off as my dad's way of having an anti-drug chat and went on with life.<br><br>Many years later I finally had some understanding of what my dad was talking about and—boy—do I wish I had asked some questions.<br><br>Like, was he was talking about The Order of Skull and Bones?<br>*************<br>Heyia;<br><br>I don't think the emphasis is, or SHOULD BE, that secret societies are necessarily or always 'bad'. Rather, it's about the appearance of conflicting agendas and the suggestion that an elected official (like Bush or Kerry) have an allegiance that transcends their oath of office and primary duty to uphold the Constitution while putting the well-being and interests of America's citizens above all other personal interests, and esp. above the obligations to other groups and associations and clubs, secret or private. In the case of Skull and Bones (like many other fraternal Blue-Blood societies cultivating membership association with and among powerful, wealthy and influential families), that club has a very insidious and suspect history, in that many of its more powerful members have achieved distinction in banking, finance, land development, industry, and government, with many involved in some of the nation's more questionable and fraudulent if not outright criminal schemes, from undue use of priveleged information and exploiting political influence to having their suspect actions covered-up and benefitting from revised legislation. Skull and Bones members have benefitted from the illicit Opium trade and later, from Prohibition -- as from Government and Military supply contracts, as well as investing in both Communist Russia and Fascist Germany, either in contravention to existing laws or outside of legal accountability. The intrigue and 'dirty business' that individuals associated with notable Secret Societies based in the US's premiere University-Colleges have engaged in now stains the motives and agenda of political candidates who don't, or won't, completely renounce their membership, and sever all obligations and social duties extending from same. But the trouble is, that their past association is enough to make their true allegiance to the nation suspect. Given what's known about the reputation and actions and actions of past secret society members, I wouldn't vote for someone who belonged to one of the major ones involved. The whole idea of 'elitist' perks and priveleges and class-heirarchy runs counter to my principles of inherant worth and common-sense acheivements based on merit and reason, as well as affirmed by the abundant evidence that there's a very high correlation between individuals from eltist, high-class-conscious backgrounds (as personified by these kinds of secret societies as S&B) with deeply-embedded institutionalized corruption, high-crimes and fraud -- That is, the 'common-ground' of sharing the perks and priveleges of high-society as reflected in the 'special-relationships' of fraternal secret clubs, provides the 'grease' and cover for the secret deals and intrigue that are essential for the dirty business and organized crime of today's Governmental 'business as usual'.<br><br>The thing is, a secret society like Skull and Bones is NOT just an innocent, all-for-fun sophomoric-stunt Frat-party social-club that semi-mockingly caricatures Blueblood Puritan class airs, making a pretense of dramatizing the mystique and rarified privelege of an exclusive Boys-will-be-Boys! elitist fraternity whose bonds of dynastic kinship are cemented with the charming allure of something 'dark' and mysterious, slightly-sinister rituals involving burial artifacts and dark secrets. There's far, far more involved, as not-least the appearance of cultivating powerful alliances and maintaining private, hidden allegiance to the common goals of a secret society directly contradicts the principles of truthfulness and political openness essential to uncompromised civil service (of course, such concern with avoiding apparant conflict-of-interests is today rather 'quaint', long rendered insignificant by the Washington culture of fighting dirty and taking no prisoners). The tradition of Skull and Bones is intimately linked with the European culture of secret Illuminati membership that challenged the authority of the church and state's aristocracy.<br>Starman<br>********<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/intro1.htm">www.biblebelievers.org.au/intro1.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>The majority of Bonesmen are from old-line Puritan families. They include the following families: Whitney, Lord, Phelps. Wadsworth, Allen, Bundy, Adams, Stimson, Taft, Gilman and Perkins. A second group of families in the Skull & Bones are: Harriman, Rockefeller, Payne, Davison, Pillsbury and Weyerhauser. The Order of Skull and Bones was once called the "Brotherhood of Death."(1)<br><br>At any given time, only about 600 or so members of the Order are alive. Of that number only 150 (about one-quarter) take an active role in the society. It is estimated that a core of perhaps 20-30 families run the Order. Recent Bones inductees include a few blacks, gays, and even some foreign students. In 1991 Skull and Bones began to admit women members. Each initiate gets $15,000 and a grandfather clock. A neophyte's name is changed to Knight so and so. The old Knights are known as Patriarchs. Outsiders are known as Gentiles and vandals. It meets annually -- patriarchs only -- on Deer Island in the St. Lawrence River.(2)<br><br>THE SECRECY OF BONES<br><br>"Initiates are sworn to secrecy. They are required to leave the room if The Order comes into discussion. They cannot -- under oath -- answer questions on The Order and its organization."<br><br>-- Antony C. Sutton(3)<br><br>UNIVERSITIES AS SPAWNING GROUNDS OF THREE DIFFERENT SECRET SOCIETIES<br><br>Between 1983-1986, the British-born conspiracy scholar Antony C. Sutton wrote a series of pamphlets about the Order of Skull & Bones. Sutton said that his series was "based on several sources, including contemporary 'moles.'"(6) The short pamphlets were compiled into one volume and published as a book in 1986. Sutton noted that secret societies had been organized at three universities: "The Illuminati was founded at (the) University of Ingolstadt. The (Cecil Rhodes) Group was founded at All Souls College, Oxford University in England, and the Order was founded at Yale University in the United States."(7) He noted: "The paradox is that institutions supposedly devoted to the search for truth and freedom have given birth to institutions devoted to world enslavement."<br><br>BUT, WHAT'S WRONG WITH SECRET SOCIETIES?<br><br>Sutton's "magnum opus" laid out his views regarding secret societies: "Secret political organizations can be-and have been-extremely dangerous to the social health and constitutional validity of a society. In a truly free society the exercise of political power must always be open and known." (<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> He then stated: "Moreover, organizations devoted to violent overthrow of political structures have always, by necessity, been secret organizations. Communist revolutionary cells are an obvious example. In fact, such revolutionary organizations can only function if their existence was secret."(9) Further, said Sutton: "In brief, secrecy in matters political is historically associated with coercion. Furthermore, the existence of secrecy in organizations with political ambitions or with a history of political actions is always suspect. Freedom is always associated with open political action and discussion while coercion is always associated with secrecy."(10)<br><br>A pamphlet on Bones described the walls of the tomb as "adorned with pictures of the founders of Bones at Yale and of the members of the Society in Germany when the Chapter was established here in 1832."(11) Sutton asked: "Think about this: Skull and Bones is not American at all. It is a branch of a FOREIGN secret society."(12) Sutton concluded that Skull and Bones "is a clear and obvious threat to constitutional freedom in the United States. Its secrecy, power and use of influence is greater by far than the masons, or any other semi-secret mutual or fraternal organization."(13)<br><br>SUTTON COMPARED BONES TO THE BAVARIAN ILLUMINATI<br><br>While critics concede that the Illuminati "was an actual group that existed from 1776 until 1785. . . " it is also explained that: "Given the fact that Weishaupt's ideas ran counter to the authoritarian, church-intertwined-with-state power structure, he was forced to keep his Illuminati secret and work through Masonic lodges. He was not successful."(14)<br><br>Sutton made numerous tentative comparisons between the Illuminati and Bones. Each member, according to an 1876 anonymous satire, has an "inside name" and "these names bear a remarkable resemblance to those used by the Illuminati, e.g., Chilo, Eumenes, Glaucus, Pristicus and Arbaces."(15) He added: "During its time, the Illuminati had widespread and influential membership. After suppression by the Bavarian Government in 1788 it was quiet for some years and then reportedly revived."(16) Sutton promised that "in a subsequent book, we will trace the order to the Illuminati. . ."(17) Also, Sutton stated: "The significance of this study is that the methods and objectives (of the Illuminati) parallel those of the Order. In fact, infiltration of the Illuminati into New England is known and will be the topic of a forthcoming volume."(1<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> He later wrote: "At this point we want to draw a comparison between the Order known as Skull and Bones and The Order known as Illuminati in 18th century Bavaria. This is not the time and place to draw final conclusions."(19) Sutton noted that "It (Bones) was introduced into the United States by William Russell, later General William Russell, who brought a charter back from his student days in Germany."(20) [So far a check of Russell's biographies has revealed no hint of a German education]. When the Skull and Bones "Temple" was raided in 1876 a card was found that read: "From the German Chapter. Presented by Patriarch D.C. Gilman of D. 50."(21) The Yale Bones catalogs indicate that Skull and Bones began in the U.S. in the 3rd decade of the second period of the organization. The first decade of the second period would be 1800 with the first period being 1790-1800: "That places us in the time frame of the elimination of Illuminati by the Bavarian Elector."(22)<br><br>Two years later Sutton, in 1988, wrote The Two Faces of George Bush. In this work he identified George W. Bush as a Bonesman like his soon-to-be President father. Sutton has not written further on the Order. At least one close associate claimed that Sutton became and remains "a fugitive in his own adopted country."<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Taft family Bonesmen

Postby Ferry Fey » Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:40 pm

Ohio was a pivotal state for Dubya's re-election. While not a Bonesman himself, Ohio governor Robert Taft not only is related to at least 9 Bonesmen but is directly descended from one of the two founders of Skull and Bones.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Downing Street Memo

Postby PeterofLoneTree » Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:07 pm

Here's the latest from John Conyers' blog on the DSM:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://tinyurl.com/98ncg">tinyurl.com/98ncg</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: right

Postby gwbushmalecheerleader » Fri Jun 10, 2005 4:18 am

Don't waste your time writing to Senator Clinton.<br><br>I had a small bone to pick with her about her coziness to, and voting with, a few neocons I despise, and wrote a polite, but not P.C., email to her website.<br><br>I got a personalized response ( at least, it seems so ,you decide) , informing me that since I wasn't a constituent, she basically wasn't answering any other American's concerns about her voting record. Sounds like they at least read the email, yes?<br><br>PLEASE remember that in 2008 when the bitch asks for your vote. <br><br>She's not getting my vote if she gets the nomination.<br><br>Personally, I think it is time for an African-American woman, someone intelligent, compassionate trustworthy....basically, someone the complete opposite of everything Condi Rice stands for, to be our next Chief Executive.<br><br>My choice : Representitive Cynthia McKinney. Dennis K can run for VP. <p></p><i></i>
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And what exactly were you expecting?

Postby peoplenotsheeple » Sat Jun 11, 2005 1:05 am

The vibe I get from seeing Spitzer speak is that he's a smart, decent guy who wants to clean things up, to a certain extent. But does that mean he's willing to throw himself into the maws of the beast? Not necessarily. It takes more than merely being decent. <br> <p></p><i></i>
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sign the 9/11 petition

Postby st4 » Sat Jun 11, 2005 1:51 am

Hi everyone. Thanks for keeping this thread alive. If you haven't already, please sign the 9/11 petition at the link below. Wouldn't it be great if we could present this petition to the Stepford people someday with over a million signatures on it? So please, do what you can to help spread the word. If you're on other message boards, maybe you could add the petition link to your signature line. The total number of names on the petiton is only at 7,817 as of today. Let's see how many more names we can get on it by next week and every week after that:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.justicefor911.org/">www.justicefor911.org/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Sign the petition

Postby st4 » Fri Jul 15, 2005 2:14 am

*BUMP*<br><br>Total signatures is now at 8,136. If you believe the 9/11 investigation should be reopened and haven't signed the petition yet, please do so ASAP and encourage others to do so. <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.justicefor911.org/">www.justicefor911.org/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Sign the petition

Postby Col Quisp » Fri Jul 15, 2005 10:13 pm

Do you think a petition with listing all of our names and states will really change things? Or will it just serve as a collection of the names of rogues to be herded up? I wish it would have an impact though. <p></p><i></i>
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FEAR NOT!

Postby st4 » Sat Jul 16, 2005 12:37 am

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"In Germany, the Nazis first came for the communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak for me."<br><br>-<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Rev. Martin Niemoeller</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <p></p><i></i>
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