PMC's, Opus Dei, Bush, Al Taqwa, 9/11 and The Middle Finger

by **michael meiring** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:13 pm

Maybe someone can do one of them trace sources on the owners of the website. Many have been hooked line and sinker before, such as the classic Al qaeda statement which was traced sourced to a web address owner of one of bush w's cronies. I forget the actual 'terrorist staged attack' there seems to be so many these past months/years. Just certain things in that article has the alarm bells going off.

by **eric144** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:13 pm

You are disseminating religious sectarianism, is that simple enough ?

by **michael meiring** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:23 pm

hehe, the anti catholisimite slur....only joking, this is not meant as baiting before i get ambushed. But this is what people have to put up with, with certain other anti ite slurs. It's a tactic that needs producing to negate the other religious divisions and anti ite slurs hurled at will, in this world, IMHO.

by **proldic** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:23 pm

First, you admit that you're the dimwit in the last post, right? So, how do you expect me to communicate about deep politics with someone who's so damn dimwitted? Um, eric144, criticizing the fascist sect Opus Dei is not "disseminating religious sectarianism". but this is, though: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> '[Zionists are] parasites directing imperialism' That's exactly what I meant, yes. There's very good evidence indeed that it was the main motivating factor behind the Iraq war. I happen to believe 9/11 was engineered by Mossad with others. "has been traditionally associated with Jew-scapegoating and hate-mongering fascism for centuries, could you?" It wouldn't have occurred to you that the reason for some of the greastest minds in literature (Dickens, Shakespeare, Dostoevsky and so on) having similar opinions is that it's true.... ...there's plenty of very similar online opinion...<hr></blockquote>

by **eric144** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 6:40 pm

"Um, eric144, criticizing the fascist sect Opus Dei is not "disseminating religious sectarianism". It certainly is, there is a left wing British government minister who is a member of Opus Dei and would not appreciate being called a fascist. Opus Dei is a very legitimate branch of the catholic Church. Here is the American website. No sign of swastikas there. They wear black robes with nice white collars and are constantly blessing babies and the like. They also want to empower the poor woman of Africa. They don't sound the evil terrorists implied in the article you're spreading across the internet. Shame on you. Martin McGuiness would call you a hate monger and quite righly so in my opinion. <a href="http://www.opusdei.org/">www.opusdei.org/</a> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=eric144>eric144</A> at: 10/19/05 4:48 pm

by **proldic** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 7:01 pm

This is truly insane. Jeff, please ban these people so we can progress.

by **Rigorous Intuition** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 8:01 pm

the founder of Opus Dei, Josemaria Escriva, was fascist, his teachings were fascist, and fascist regimes such as Franco's have singled out many members for high office. I don't know what I'm supposed to take from your remark that a "left wing" member of Blair's cabinet is Opus Dei, while Blair plays Mussolini to Bush's Hitler. Or was that post intended as sarcasm? It's so hard to tell these days.

by **Homeless Halo** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:00 pm

I personally find the practices of OD to be well, frankly kind of kinky. I really need to find myself an OD girl. The regular SM scene doesn't hold a candle to these bizarre creatures. Does it mean you're a fascist if all this talk of "chastity" and the wonky spiked thigh bracelet thingie gets you all hot and bothered while you're researching them? Thank god for catholicism.<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smokin.gif ALT=":smokin">

by **eric144** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:03 pm

It was a total wind up. He said it about 5 minutes after he accused me of anti-semitism. To make it clear, I do not have a positive attitude to the Catholic church but wouldn't indulge in simple minded conspiracies which are legion. However, most Catholics would no question find the article offensive and sectarian. Opus Dei is controversial but mainstream and a British politician who is more left wing than any American presidential candidate and 99% of congressmen in US history is indeed a member of Opus Dei. Here is an article which deplores the kind of ridiculous conspiratorial nonsense in the sectarian article in question. A wholesome reality shines beyond the dark conspiracy "Reporting on the Vatican for many years for CNN, Allen has met dozens if not hundreds of Opus Dei members. “I never came across anything that struck me as conspiratorial or ominous,” <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3933-1815786,00.html">www.timesonline.co.uk/art...86,00.html</a> This contradicts the idea that Opus dei was a fascist organisation. The catholic church has always been anti-communist and Opus Dei followed that line in Spain and elsewhere in Europe. Are you saying the Catholic Church itself is fascist ? "This involvement remains a sensitive subject. "Opus Dei is filed under F for Franco," concedes Jack Valero, the organisation's spokesman in Britain. "Some members worked in Franco's Spain, became ministers of his. But Opus Dei people are free to do whatever they wish politically. Other members were against Franco." He cites the dissident Rafael Calvo Serer, who was driven into exile in the early 70s and saw the newspaper he published closed by the government. " <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/spain/article/0,2763,1400400,00.html">www.guardian.co.uk/spain/...00,00.html</a>

by **monster** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:06 pm

much less productive than they used to be. Back to lurking.

by **dbeach** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:26 pm

pompus dei or opus dei is mainstream catholic is misleading and really not true Based on ONLY my narrow view and the fact that every Catholic that I know does not belong..[which is a very large number of individuals and families] Knight of Columbus is not even mainstream and I know one. a neighbor.. MAYBE if you call SC judge Scalia a mainstream catholic and other traitors like him..But most Catholics are about as informed as most other religions and it ain't much . BUT continue to bash Catholics for crimes of phony catholics like scalia or most of the phony cardinals in vatican la la land.. maybe bash Italians next but how about statistics of mainstream catholics and/or refernces of such membership or at least real life experiences that these sinsister organizations are part of the mainstream Catholic population BLAME the victim is so sporting.. How about most Catholics have been mislead and sold out by rome and the elite hierarchy of the Catholic Church

by **eric144** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 9:38 pm

"pompus dei or opus dei is mainstream catholic is misleading and really not true" It's recognised and accepted by the Vatican, that makes it mainstream to me in the context of the article at least. Let's be clear what the article actually said "Intel sources also say that an Opus Dei (Roman Catholic) espionage and political assassination team operating in the United States" The implication is very much that the Catholic Church itself is involved because it's specifically mentioned. Assassination team - what next ? Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=eric144>eric144</A> at: 10/19/05 7:39 pm

by **dbeach** » Wed Oct 19, 2005 10:02 pm

oh one thing is that many so called liberal Catholics don't listen to the Vatican ..now they can recognize any ole thing that they want BUT they stopped caring about most Catholics when their egos got in the way of acting like Christians and performing as crooked politicians The hierarchy of the Catholic church may have assasination teams and you can say its mainstream cuz the vatican recognized it..BUT it is not to me and to most .

by **OnoI812** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 12:35 am

I was wondering when RI was going to take notice of this article... I've had it posted since saturday morning in the Swiss banks thread <a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=1290.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...1290.topic</a> Oh well ..I suppose it deserves it's own

by **AnnaLivia** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 2:41 am

oh, Lord, how i long for the days when the puzzle only had a hundred pieces and a picture of a kitten on it. gees, proldic, my head is spinning with all the names and details and locations involved. and i already knew some of it. the surface. it has got to be easier to simply murder the idea of having wealthpower giants. just don't spring a pop quiz on me, yet! how can one ever nail it down? (sorry. tired tonight)

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