MSNBC Censors WTC7 video during interview w/ BYU Prof Jones?

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Tucker

Postby st4 » Wed Nov 16, 2005 6:39 am

<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Tucker Carlson Says 9/11 Skeptics Should 'Leave the Country', Commits Slander</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Link to article and video:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.911blogger.com/2005/11/tucker-carlson-says-911-skeptics.html">www.911blogger.com/2005/1...ptics.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>(Click on bow-tied-man-boy to watch the video)<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://homepage.mac.com/douglas_ascott/iMovieTheater13.html"><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.911blogger.com/files/images/tucker_lies.jpg"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--></a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Tucker

Postby AnnaLivia » Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:00 am

i wouldn't have known about it if not for you, st4, since i don't watch TC, so thanks much. this is from the article you linked to:<br><br>BTW, Feel free to continue contacting Tucker at tucker@msnbc.com and 1-877-TCARLSON.<br><br>i'll get my own letter composed this morning! we can at least flood the station with email.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Alleged Behavior

Postby anonymous » Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:21 am

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"That's all alleged, mind you. I have no links to back any of that up."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> -- Ted the Dog<br><br>I've also heard tell that he goes around smelling girl's bicycle seats in hot weather. <p></p><i></i>
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I saw...

Postby marykmusic » Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:13 pm

...the video clip on my computer, right here, last night. Looked to me like Carlson was trying to make the professor look like a nut case. The attempt failed miserably, for the professor, probably a kind and naive academic, simply didn't catch on to the ploy nor rise to the bait. --MaryK <p></p><i></i>
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Prof Jones

Postby jaemspayntelosnet » Wed Nov 16, 2005 2:25 pm

Prof Jones is sincere.I read his piece and the only fault I can find is that the evidence for molten steel in the basement of the towers is shakey. most ofthe sources for the comments of molten steel are kind of in passing.<br>For ex. one source is the sanitary engineers of NYC had to haul away 'molten steel beams'. This is not compelling. The AVris infra red photos show incredible heat on Sept 16 - 1340 F at one point which is hotter than the coincidence theorists claim the office fires got.<br>However by Sept 23, the temperatures were normal at the aptly named ground zero <br>That said, the rest of his article is right on. The WTC7 looks like a controlled demolition.if it looks like a duck, if it... The WTC Towers collapse looks like some kind of explosion ( see my collapse post) and there is no way the fires could have simultaneouosy weakened the 47 very strong core columns facilitating the free fall like times of the collapse of the towers. It is good to see someone with credentials risking ridicule to say what they think. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Yeah, let's just take this all at face value, that's sma

Postby nomo » Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:09 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Of course, another take we could have is that right-wing fascists are in on spreading the red herrings.<br></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br>Tucker Carlson giving the cd angle of 9/11 conspiracy a voice, coming from a far-right wing Mormon university?<br><br>In Plane Sight producer at the same address as the local FEMA/homeland security office?<br><br>Long-time defense contractor-consultant engineer Van Romero claiming then retracting cd?<br><br>Whatreallyhappened's Michael Rivero openly a "former" republican "operative"?<br><br>Key Jew-herring site Judicial-inc.'s Richard Early openly a "former" CIA agent and Operation Phoenix veteran?<br><br>CIA agent Chip "John Foster" Berlet pushing sophisticated anti-israeli zionists-control-the-US under the name "Sean McBride" on the CIA-Drugs forum?<br><br>CIA-hack Xymorpha linking to it?<br><br>Brent Scowcroft & James Baker writing in CIA-front American Educational Trust's The Middle East Report, claiming the neo-cons have hijacked our government for Israel?<br><br>Longtime intel "insider" Cameron original pusher the dancing Israelis on far-right wing media octopus Fox?<br><br>etc. etc. etc.<br><br><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Come on, Proldic, those are all just <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>coincidences</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->! <p></p><i></i>
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How to do more than thump a twerp

Postby AnnaLivia » Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:30 pm

Hey? Let’s “play a game”…a game that is really a dead-serious democratic exercise. C’mon, it’ll be good practice! I want your help, fellow posters. I want you to provide all the improvements to this letter I’ve been writing to Mr. Tucker Carlson, that you can come up with. I believe that, together, we might create a final version that makes a very strong statement. Not to Mr. Tucker Carlson, who I am fully aware won’t listen (though we’ll send him a few hundred copies anyway?), but to the larger audience of the American voting public.<br><br>Note the strategy and tactics I am trying to use here. I want to turn the tables on this schmuck. I want to steal the very kind of rhetoric and symbolism his type has been trained to use…about America the great, values, patriotism, strength, etc… and use it against him. This is about nabbing his own playbook, and using it to shove his own words right up his ass.<br><br>One place I fall down badly in my writing is getting the cadence just right, so that it rolls off the tongue. And I tend to switch “voices”. (I’ve been told I am the idea person, and should leave the execution to those better inclined to it!) If it reads right through easily, it will be picked up and repeated by others. I want all the words and thoughts that oughta be in it, but no more. The repetition of certain terms and phrases is a tactic used by savvy lawyers, to make a memorable impact. Drive it home to the jury, who is only paying half-attention, via repetition. The proximity of his name to other key snippets of phrases is very purposeful. Connect him to the bad stuff! Put him on the other side of the fence from the people. I mean, he’s already there, but expose this to folks. I even remind everyone of just who owns the airwaves in my letter, and who uses them to gain profit.<br><br>PLEASE, ignore my ego! (although ya’s don’t gots to be unkind.) Parse every word. I want this puppy maximum bulletproof and maximum effective. I would like to see something like this, when perfected, go right ‘round the internet. I want you to help me MAKE ammunition. I want to take his very name, and turn it into an EPITHET to be used against him. I want to pin his own name and his own words on him like a scarlet letter, and make him wear it. If done right, we could possibly make such stupid statements in the future, become known in common lingo as “committing a Mr. Tucker Carlson”. Maybe we can even help this sniveling snot get himself fired, as he deserves.<br><br>This is how the war of ideas is won, friends. Please offer any critique and suggestions you have that could make this really good?? On my original and on each other’s suggestions, too. Don’t even offer if your ego can’t take the heat that might come. If you can steel yourself, don’t hold back suggestions. What’s been left out? Maybe we can reach some general consensus? The end product will belong to all of us. It must be publishable; no swearing. There’s an art to gleefully ripping him a new one, whilst appearing to be calm and collected. C’mon, you artists! Here’s the seed to start with:<br><br><br><br><br>Hello, Mr. Tucker Carlson,<br><br>I write in response to a statement that you, Mr. Tucker Carlson, made recently. Your prosperous corporate employer, MSNBC, broadcast the statement I refer to over the airwaves - airwaves that belong to the American people - on November 15th, 2005.<br><br>You, Mr. Tucker Carlson, said that American Citizens who believe that there are high-level employees in American government who are complicit in the horrific murders perpetrated on September 11, 2001, should, in your words, Mr. Tucker Carlson, "leave the country". <br><br>Perhaps it is your own recall of the America that once was, that has blinded you, Mr. Tucker Carlson, to an undeniable fact. The fact I refer to is the fact that there is absolutely nothing new about corrupt governors desiring, abetting, or even manufacturing an event designed to terrorize their own nation's people so profoundly, that those good Citizens will then support any measures proposed by the bad governors to retaliate against those labeled as the guilty party by the aforementioned bad, corrupt governors.<br><br>Such deceit, Mr. Tucker Carlson, far from being new or unbelievable, is the oldest trick in the book. Those governors lacking a moral scruple, Mr. Tucker Carlson, who crave immense power unto themselves, often to enrich themselves and the financial backers who have invested in them, use such deceit. The only surprising thing about this strategy, Mr. Tucker Carlson, is that good Citizens continue to fall for this cruel ruse, like Charlie Brown falls for Lucy's football.<br><br>I find it hard to comprehend that you, Mr. Tucker Carlson, an educated man, are unaware of this fact, when history is full of examples of such vile and despicable treachery being carried out the world over. Perhaps your history teachers were incompetent, Mr. Tucker Carlson?<br><br>The official version of the events that occurred on September 11, 2001, as explained to Her Citizens by those governing America then and now, and repeated by persons such as yourself, Mr. Tucker Carlson, does not hold up to a rigorous and unbiased scrutiny. It has been proven beyond a shadow of doubt that lies have been told to America's citizens, Mr. Tucker Carlson, and we, as our beloved Constitution of the United States of America states clearly, have not only the right but the duty, Mr. Tucker Carlson, to demand an impartial and thorough investigation into the lies, if we do indeed love and intend to restore our abused America.<br><br>Perhaps you are unaware, Mr. Tucker Carlson, that it was Working Americans who built this country, and She is the greatest ongoing experiment in Democratic Rule and the Rule of Law, that the world has ever seen. No less a man than Thomas Jefferson spent his talents and energies to guarantee that it is from the people of this nation that her governors, Mr. Tucker Carlson, shall always derive their authority to govern. It is the sons and daughters of hardworking Americans whom the governors who sport America’s flag as lapel pins and occupy the seats of power, Mr. Tucker Carlson, have sent to make war and to their deaths. It is they who are shipped to foreign lands to battle those who the governors tell us are the enemy, Mr. Tucker Carlson.<br><br>Many of those good, hardworking American Citizens are clamoring for answers, Mr. Tucker Carlson, and many have attempted to examine the evidences surrounding the horrific deaths and destruction that took place in their country on September 11, 2001. It is my opinion and my conviction that you, Mr. Tucker Carlson, have committed a most grave, harmful, and serious act of injustice against the brave people of America who seek answers, by suggesting as you did, Mr. Tucker Carlson, that those who suspect the complicity of high-level government personnel in the brutal attack on America on September 11, 2001, should, again in your words, Mr. Tucker Carlson, “leave the country” that they and their ancestors have sacrificed their very blood, sweat, and tears for. <br><br>You, Mr. Tucker Carlson, should be deeply ashamed of yourself for your comment, which has served only to spotlight your own ignorance, Mr. Tucker Carlson, of historical fact, and your eagerness, Mr. Tucker Carlson, to help prevent rigorous investigation and replace it with a perverted form of truly blind, frightfully lazy "patriotism". This is not, Mr. Tucker Carlson, the strenuous patriotism of a Thomas Jefferson, nor the heartfelt patriotism of the Citizens who truly cherish America and will protect Her from all enemies, no matter who they are; no matter what office they may be occupying. Indeed, I find your proclamation, Mr. Tucker Carlson, to be far more akin to cowardice and betrayal of any true American values, and devoid of any virtuous American ethic. <br><br>It makes a good citizen of America wonder just what you, Mr. Tucker Carlson, are afraid would be discovered if the truth of what happened on September 11, 2001 on American soil, were to be pursued with a level of devotion to justice commensurate with the extreme horror of that day.<br><br>Your "professional journalism", Mr. Tucker Carlson, is nothing more in this case, than sorry apologias for domestic criminality, pompous and arrogant self-righteousness, and a pathetic attempt by you, Mr. Tucker Carlson, to aid perpetrators in covering their tracks as they subvert truth, justice, and the American way.<br><br>I wonder if your conscience plagues you, Mr. Tucker Carlson. It certainly should.<br><br>But then again, perhaps you, Mr. Tucker Carlson, and your prosperous corporate employer, MSNBC, are not responsible for your statement. Perhaps it is your history and journalism professors, Mr. Tucker Carlson, who should be told they should "leave the country".<br><br><br>Sincerely, and yes, Mr. Tucker Carlson, with revulsion and anger for your despicable remark,<br><br>I am (name here), Working American Citizen, who is no longer a viewer of MSNBC while you, Mr. Tucker Carlson, cling onto a job there.<br><br><br><br> <br>(Example of improvement: would simply changing the comma to a period after the “greeting” make it sound more like Jerry Seinfeld greeting Newman? Hello, Newman. We want an “undercurrent of contempt”, don’t we? The public likes to watch someone willing to throw a good hit on the football field, after all.)<br><br>(another example: should ‘I write’ be ‘I am writing’, instead?) <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: How to do more than thump a twerp

Postby sunny » Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:45 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>You, Mr. Tucker Carlson, said that American Citizens who believe that there are high-level employees in American government who are complicit in the horrific murders perpetrated on September 11, 2001, should, in your words, Mr. Tucker Carlson, "leave the country".</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> <br><br>-Mr. Carlson, you said that...<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>I find it hard to comprehend that you, Mr. Tucker Carlson, an educated man, are unaware of this fact, when history is full of examples of such vile and despicable treachery being carried out the world over. Perhaps your history teachers were incompetent, Mr. Tucker Carlson</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Mr. Carlson, I find it difficult to comprehend...<br><br>And on like that. Begin your declarations with his name; his ego won't allow him to ignore his name, and will compel him to read on.<br><br>All in all, excellent letter, great idea!! <p></p><i></i>
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Keep it short!

Postby Bismillah » Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:00 pm

Anna,<br><br>The main problem with the letter is that it's simply too long; he'll bin it immediately. And if you want him to pay attention, I'd suggest you make it clear to him that he's endangering his station's reputation, and therefore his own job.<br><br>Maybe something like this:<br><br>Dear Mr. Carlson,<br><br>You describe Professor Jones as "an epically bad guest". On the contrary; he was one of the most interesting guests ever to appear on your show, which I will no longer be watching. <br><br>The truth is that you are a grotesquely bad host. As Jon Stewart famously (and rightly) pointed out: "What you do is not honest. What you do is partisan hackery. You have a responsibility to the public discourse, and you fail miserably." As you no doubt remember, Jonathan Klein - your former employer at CNN - was equally frank: "I agree wholeheartedly with Jon Stewart's overall premise." Perhaps your current employer will be more charitable.<br><br>Whatever conclusions MSNBC may draw, a straw poll of my acquaintances confirms that approximately 90% of those who watched your performance were appalled by it. Personally, I have not the slightest doubt that your interview and your E-mail will be widely recognised for what they are: a disgrace to the profession of journalism.<br><br>Yours sincerely,<br><br>[*******]<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: How about STRAIGHT To the point.

Postby slimmouse » Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:08 pm

<br><br> Dear Mr Carlson.<br><br> Having watched your disgraceful performance last evening, here is my best assessment.<br><br> You are an ignorant, lying, cowardly , Money grabbing Mother Tucker. <p></p><i></i>
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His job is the only thing he cares about.

Postby Bismillah » Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:11 pm

P.S. Whatever the final form of your mail: If you have separate Email addresses for his editor/producer/employer, etc., send copies to them.<br><br>Under any other circumstances, this would be mean and nasty behaviour; but he's done what he's done, he's a prominent public figure, and there is something like a war on.<br><br>It might also be worth sending a (very short!) E-mail to Jon Stewart.<br><br>Best wishes,<br><br>Bismillah <p></p><i></i>
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The Fear of Lost Advertising Revenue

Postby Bismillah » Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:20 pm

slimmouse, I understand your feelings. I myself was tempted to start my mail with the question: <br><br>"Dear Mr. Carlson,<br><br>Is that Tucker with an F?"<br><br>It's best to be as polite (but forceful) as possible, though, because the ONLY thing these TV corporations care about is advertising revenue. That's the bottom line. Only when they start to fear that the posh & wealthy are getting annoyed will they begin to worry about audience reactions. Hence the poker-up-the-ass tone of my E-mail; it serves to indicate disposable income in danger of going elsewhere. <br><br>Best,<br><br>B. <p></p><i></i>
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here we go again

Postby proldic » Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:27 pm

nobody else believes this is all a farce?<br>that this was all planned?<br>that your responses are anticipated and essentially meaningless? <p></p><i></i>
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Words of Wisdom

Postby Bismillah » Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:29 pm

Oh, right, proldic. Your alternative strategy is to lie down and die. Or what? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: FWIW.

Postby slimmouse » Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:37 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>that this was all planned?<br>that your responses are anticipated and essentially meaningless?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br> FWIW, I get a gut feeling that this might, and I mean <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>just might</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, be some kind of preamble to a limited hangout disclosure regarding CD. <br><br> Whether Larry is being set up to take the fall for this is an interesting angle. But of course 3.5 billion can also buy a lot of friends <br><br> It might also be Blind optimism on my own part. <br><br>And of course, I say blind optimism; Even if CD was eventually dribbled out with any number of accompanying excuses, will that make any difference to the overall PTB theme that 19 Aye -Rabs done it ? <p></p><i></i>
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