Fmr Head Of Star Wars Prog. Says Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect

by **dbeach** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:11 pm

"North American Aerospace Defense Command was responsible" NORAD was responsible.. next question Who in NORAD?? Hiding "terrist "attacks under cover of mock drills.. so Osama penetrated the US Intell and NORAD networks or Osama is their asset??? or to be more accurate their scapegoat and fall guy..

by **HMKGrey** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:59 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>so Osama penetrated the US Intell and NORAD networks or Osama is their asset??? or to be more accurate their scapegoat and fall guy..<hr></blockquote> Now there's your smoking gun, guys. So, the 9/11 attacks were somehow (accidentally? Yeah, right.) timed to coincide with no less than four nationwide military drills including at least one which we now know involved the crashing of planes in to buildings. The MSM has dutifully ignored this MONSTROUS fact for nearly five years. It positively screams either complicity or compromise - but even in its best possible light it calls for a total flaming of our security apparatus, massive internal investigations and indictments of those who must have leaked the dates and plans to the 'terrorists'. In it's other far less generous and more likely light, it calls for nothing less than indictments of at least Cheney, Rumsfield and Meyers as well as many around them and probable grounds for death sentences. Pergaps it's time we moved on from the CD debate and simply focussed on the military drills of 9/11..? With a bit of reasoning and some spit and polish this could be a profoundly disturbing and persuasive fact to so many. The fact that records exist too... well, that just makes it all the easier.

by **NewKid** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:22 pm

Perhaps the most bizarre caller in talk show history. This is the second hour of Tarpley's interview with Andreas Von Buelow. Listen starting at about 25:30 for caller Jeff from New Mexico. Almost halfway through if you don't have a counter. It's the guy talking about Richard Nixon. <a href="http://mp3.rbnlive.com/Tarpley/0604/20060401_Sat_Tarpley2.mp3" target="top">mp3.rbnlive.com/Tarpley/0604/20060401_Sat_Tarpley2.mp3</a> Perhaps a fall back defense for the administration!<img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/roll.gif ALT=":rollin">

by **Col Quisp** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:32 pm

No wonder she's being smeared. She's on the right track and she cut right to the chase, not mired in the disputable details! I'm surprised they waited this long to begin harassing her. Brava, Rep. McKinney!

by **HMKGrey** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 5:58 pm

Myers' incredible prevaricating on what was what and who was in charge etc are worth dwelling on. He doesn't remember who was in charge? That's either an outright lie and act of deliberate evasion or the man is an incompetent fool. Sadly, it's probably quite a lot of both. But I really do wonder if this isn't our 'broader acceptance' smoking gun? At the very least, maybe it's the base for a lot of broader questioning of the facts. (A few months back I posted about a speech that Rummy gave on 9/12/01 where he seemed to be saying that govt. employees who might know 'something' needed to keep their mouths shut. It got quite a bit of comment here as I think it was quite a new find... (though open to interpretation, of course). Anyway, I'm reminded of that now. Perhaps that's how they've kept these exercises so relatively quiet? We all recall the ATC guy who smashed the tape, cut it in to pieces and then put those pieces in different grabage cans around the building... I'd love to hear from that guy.)

by **antiaristo** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:45 pm

Don't you guys remember what happened? The Congress was holding some sort of private hearings, and there was a leak of one of the intercepts? And Cheney went bananas. The DoJ sent the FBI into Congress to investigate (a clear violation of the separation of powers). Representatives were submitted to lie detector tests to find the leaker. And the leaks stopped (I think Welstone was done at roughly the same time). The leak was wholly damning. Wholly damning of Cheney. It was The match is tomorrow The implications were obvious to me. And I made the point to the Chairman of the inquiry into the bombing of Madrid. When Bush got re-elected I stopped taking an interest in 9/11. <blockquote>Quote:<hr> C/ Eusebio Navarro, 12 Sr. Paulino Rivero 35003 Las Palmas de Gran Chairman, 11-M Commission Canaria Congreso de los Diputados 11 September 2004 (Correos certificado 223435452) Dear Mr Chairman, Greetings from the beautiful Canary Islands. You would be well advised to not rule out the possibility that the terrorist attacks of 11 March were carried out by Manchurian Candidates. And that the purpose of the attack was to divert attention away from the planned coup in Equatorial Guinea. For all the confusion created thus far by your commission, there are really only two questions that the people of Spain want answered. The first question is why there were connections between the terrorists and the Spanish secret services prior to the attacks on Atocha? The second question is whether and why did the Aznar regime lie about the identities of the probable authors of the attack? They also want to know if there was any cause and effect relationship between those two issues. Let us hypothesise that the terrorists had been primed by their Controller to strike a little earlier in March. On 7 March Nick du Toit and sixteen others were arrested in Malabo. Simon Mann and seventy others were arrested in Zimbabwe. Severo Moto was here in Las Palmas in the company of Greg Wales and David Tremain, was delayed by the car rally at the airport, and then received a warning text message in Mali on his way to Malabo. The coup was frustrated, so of course the terrorists received no orders from their Controller. Soldiers on a war footing get edgy and frustrated when the attack they have prepared is delayed. They waited a few days, and then decided for themselves to carry out the plan. Under this scenario the Aznar regime hung itself with desperate lies in panic and guilt not for the fact that Madrid had suffered a terrible attack, but for LOSING CONTROL OF THE OPERATION. And had the coup been successful? Once Moto was in Malabo with du Toit and Mann the Controller would give the order to strike Madrid, a full six days before the General Election. The Spanish commandoes would be ashore in Malabo in force while a traumatised nation suffered through six days of Aznar attacking ZP as the terrorists’ friend. Aznar would assassinate the character of Rodriguez Zapatero, while Rajoy stood above the fray looking statesmanlike (straight out of the Karl Rove playbook). Rajoy would win by a landslide. And nobody would be in the least interested in the two Spanish warships and the 1000 Spanish troops taking control of a small country in the armpit of Africa. Mission Accomplished, and $5 Billion a year (and rising fast) to share out amongst the conspirators. The terrorist strikes in Madrid served the same intended purpose as the terrorist strikes in New York and Washington: to facilitate regime change in an oil-rich state abroad, and the re-election of a neofascist government at home. You should make it your business* to follow up on the latest revelations of hijacking “training *www.fromthewilderness.com/PDF/Commonwealth.pdf exercises” being run by Cheney on 11 September 2001. America’s air traffic controllers were unable to distinguish between 18 “phantom hijackings” and the four real hijackings because Cheney himself was running interference that morning. That’s why Cheney went ballistic when one of the National Security Agency intercepts leaked from the US Congress: “The match is tomorrow”. Indeed it might well be that the Controller of the Madrid terrorist cell intended to use these very same code words. The bombings of Madrid planned for 8 march were a direct attack on Spanish democracy and the popular sovereignty. You know now that the United Kingdom is not a democracy under the control of the people, but an autocracy under the control of the Queen. You know now that crimes are committed by privateers/pirates like Archer and Thatcher under license of that queen. You know that the Madrid terrorists were in contact with London. You know now that the coup in Equatorial Guinea was planned in London. We were indeed fortunate in that the courageous actions of black-skinned people saved our own white skins: it was a true act of God. Do you see now the dangers inherent in secret societies, and why Article 22.5 of the Spanish Constitution forbids such secret societies? Hundreds of people were always going to die at Atocha. But God’s miracle is that the actual victims did not die in vain. They died that their country might be spared a neofascist dictatorship exported from London. If I am correct in my hypothesis it means that the facilitators, members of a Spanish secret society controlled from London, are still in place at all levels of our security structure. Following the trials of Barrionuevo and Vera for their roles in GAL there exists the perfect precedent to put the Aznar regime on trial for crimes against the people of Spain. If you cover this up you may be certain that it will happen again. And the Good Lord might not smile upon us for a second time. I am at your service** and will gladly tell you all I know about the identity of the Controller. For more than seven years your colleagues now in power have chosen to ignore my warnings of danger. The cost of that mistake includes a great deal of lost time and money and 192 persons dead in Madrid. Please do not make that same mistake again. Yours sincerely, John Cleary BSc MA MBA ** Apart from 6 to 27 October when I will be in London to see my mother. Cc President Teodoro Obiang Nguema Judge Teresa Palacios President Vladimir Putin Josep Borrell MEP Senator John Edwards The Prince of Asturias<hr></blockquote> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=antiaristo>antiaristo</A> at: 4/4/06 4:49 pm

by **HMKGrey** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:06 pm

"The match is tomorrow" has echoes for me but I thought it was an intercept between Bin Laden and his people. I'm sorry Anti, I don't recall Cheney being involved at all. Is there a link to this or news story anywhere? Fascinating connection.

by **antiaristo** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:27 pm

HMK, Sorry. Mistakes come from relying on memory. There were two quotes. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>The Page One piece by Walter Pincus that Walter Pincus now finds so wanting, "NSA Intercepts on Eve of 9/11 Sent a Warning," appeared in the June 20 edition of the Post. Co-written by Dana Priest, it confirmed the previous day's big scoop by CNN's David Ensor. "Congressional and other sources" told CNN that the day before the 9/11 attacks the National Security Agency intercepted two messages from suspected al-Qaida figures: "The match is about to begin" and "Tomorrow is zero hour." The messages are believed to be references to the unfolding al-Qaida operation and were translated by the NSA into English on Sept. 12.<hr></blockquote> <a href="http://www.slate.com/?id=2067443">www.slate.com/?id=2067443</a>

by **4911** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:53 pm

"one which we now know involved the crashing of planes in to buildings." Not only just any buildings - the world trade centers. Just as in London on 7/7, they were running drills using the exact same subway stations and busstops as target mock-ups. from <a href="http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&before_9/11=militaryExercises">www.cooperativeresearch.o...yExercises</a> 1999-September 11, 2001: NORAD Exercise Simulates Crashes into US Buildings; One of Them Is the World Trade Center According to USA Today, “In the two years before the Sept. 11 attacks, the North American Aerospace Defense Command conduct[s] exercises simulating what the White House [later] says was unimaginable at the time: hijacked airliners used as weapons to crash into targets and cause mass casualties.” One of these imagined targets is the World Trade Center. According to NORAD, these scenarios are regional drills, rather than regularly scheduled continent-wide exercises. They utilize “[n]umerous types of civilian and military aircraft” as mock hijacked aircraft, and test “track detection and identification; scramble and interception; hijack procedures; internal and external agency coordination; and operational security and communications security procedures.” The main difference between these drills and the 9/11 attacks is that the planes in the drills are coming from another country, rather than from within the US. Before 9/11, NORAD reportedly conducts four major exercises at headquarters level per year. Most of them are said to include a hijack scenario (see Before September 11, 2001). [USA Today, 5/18/2004; CNN, 5/19/2004] "... whether or not the activities of the four wargames going on on September 11th actually impaired our ability to respond to the attacks. RM: The answer to the question is no, it did not impair our response, in fact General Eberhart who was in the command of the North American Aerospace Defense Command as he testified in front of the 9/11 Commission I believe - I believe he told them that it enhanced our ability to respond..." Should this guy be out walking the streets? There were only 2 military airplanes capable of responding to anything in the air that morning along the entire eastern seaboard. Why does it work? Why can people get away with simply stating the exact opposite of what they are accused, against all fact, and get away with it? How can this work? AJ and a bunch of other sites reported only 2 fighters in the air. I swear I heard that somewhere.... "Its truth, Jim, but not as we know it.." Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 4/4/06 6:33 pm

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:19 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>"Congressional and other sources" told CNN that the day before the 9/11 attacks the National Security Agency intercepted two messages from suspected al-Qaida figures: "The match is about to begin" and "Tomorrow is zero hour." The messages are believed to be references to the unfolding al-Qaida operation and were translated by the NSA into English on Sept. 12.<hr></blockquote> This would be a HUGE breach of NSA security to have this out in public. It doesn't make sense that it is unless it is part of a bread crumb trail leading to a psy-ops conclusion. Or a leak to neutralize an investigation trail. Either way, a spook infowar tool.

by **isachar** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:28 pm

Anti, this is what I could find on "the match begins tomorrow" quote. Can you explain the Cheney connection from your perspective? Thanks <a href="http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/06/20/911.warning/">archives.cnn.com/2002/US/...1.warning/</a> Justice may probe leaked pre-9/11 intercepts Arabic message warned 'Tomorrow is zero hour' WASHINGTON (CNN) --Leaders of a joint congressional panel probing pre-September 11 intelligence lapses have asked the attorney general to investigate who leaked cryptic intercepts that hinted of imminent attacks. The White House said Thursday that President Bush has "deep concerns" about the release of the information, which came from communications intercepted by the National Security Agency. And in a written statement Thursday, the Justice Department said it would "expeditiously review this matter and take any appropriate action." Rep. Porter Goss, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, said he and Sen. Bob Graham, his counterpart on the Senate panel, have asked the Justice Department to investigate the leak. Goss, R-Florida; Graham, D-Florida; and the ranking members of each committee signed a letter asking for an investigation. Goss said the letter "asks for an investigation of those leaks, with particular concern that if there is any inappropriate leak coming from the United States Congress that we be so advised so we may take appropriate action." The September 10 intercepts, details of which were provided to CNN on Wednesday, came from conversations in Arabic between individuals in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia that U.S. officials believe were connected to al Qaeda. The intercepts, however, were not analyzed until September 12, the day after terrorist attacks on New York and Washington killed more than 3,000 people. Congressional and other sources said that in one communication intercepted by the NSA, a person said, "The match begins tomorrow." In another intercept that same day, a different person said, "Tomorrow is zero hour." In both instances, the two people who said those words were in Afghanistan, speaking to others in Saudi Arabia. To this day, officials say, they do not know for sure the identities of the two people who spoke. Vice President Dick Cheney phoned the House and Senate committee chairmen Thursday to complain about the leaks. Cheney thinks an investigation by the attorney general is a "good idea," a senior administration official told CNN. Bush signaled his displeasure with the leak of the "alarmingly specific" information about the intercepts and asked Cheney to phone the key intelligence committee chairs to register his concerns, according to White House press secretary Ari Fleischer. "The president does have very deep concerns about anything that would be inappropriately leaked that could in any way endanger America's ability to gather intelligence information, and even that could harm our ability to maintain sources and methods and anything that could interfere with America's ability to fight the war on terrorism," Fleischer said. The official said the idea for an investigation came from Congress and was discussed generally during Cheney's conversations with the committee leaders. Shelby: Public needs to know committee findings "This is something the Congress, to its credit, these four leaders, feel strongly about," the senior official said. "It is a federal crime to disclose information of this type, and Congress made it a crime because of the impact such disclosure can have on national security." In 1998, according to Fleischer, an "unauthorized disclosure" of information about Osama bin Laden's use of a satellite phone undermined U.S. intelligence gathering efforts. "As soon as it was publicly revealed, we never heard from that source again," Fleischer said. "We never again heard from that satellite phone." But Sen. Richard Shelby, the ranking minority member on Senate Intelligence Committee, said the public needed to know about the lapses -- even though he signed the letter sent to Attorney General John Ashcroft. "I do believe that the American people need to know a lot about the shortcomings of our intelligence community, but they also need to know the good things that are going on, and what we are going to do in this investigation, I believe, is bring out the best of both," Shelby, R-Alabama, said. The NSA, which is the nation's eavesdropping intelligence agency, intercepts literally millions of communications each day and must prioritize which intercepts to translate immediately, which within days, and which within weeks. U.S. officials said the communications intercepted September 10 would have been translated within 48 hours even if the attacks had not occurred, given the high level of interest in al Qaeda's activities. Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle said how the intercepts were handled underscores the need to reform intelligence-gathering operations. "It again demonstrates why we have to address the infrastructure of our intelligence-gathering analysis and the actions that are taken as a result of that analysis," said Daschle, D-South Dakota. "We've got a lot of work to do, and this is just the most recent reminder that we've got a problem here and it's got to be fixed and it's got to be done this year." House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Illinois, said it was "disconcerting that we did have some kind of warning." He added that it was unfortunate the United States apparently believed it had an "aura" that would protect it against terrorist attacks. In the future, Hastert predicted, the United States would be more efficient at analyzing threats. -- CNN Correspondents David Ensor, Kate Snow and Kelly Wallace and Producer Dana Bash contributed to this report.

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:07 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Arabic message warned 'Tomorrow is zero hour'<hr></blockquote> "Bwahaha!" This reads like a kids action adventure cartoon, exactly the level used for propaganda to Americans. Perhaps just a psycho-political event generated to reinforce the 'al-Queda dunnit' cover story for the police state and War on Terra. If Porter Goss, Cheney, and Bush were really concerned about this they wouldn't be publicly underscoring it by telegraphing "dang, you've blown our system!" Gee, gues we'll just have to monitor everyone with the NSA now. "Rats. We hate to hafta do that but for the good of our nation...."

by **BannedfromDU** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:07 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Quote: so Osama penetrated the US Intell and NORAD networks or Osama is their asset??? or to be more accurate their scapegoat and fall guy.. Now there's your smoking gun, guys. So, the 9/11 attacks were somehow (accidentally? Yeah, right.) timed to coincide with no less than four nationwide military drills including at least one which we now know involved the crashing of planes in to buildings. The MSM has dutifully ignored this MONSTROUS fact for nearly five years. It positively screams either complicity or compromise - but even in its best possible light it calls for a total flaming of our security apparatus, massive internal investigations and indictments of those who must have leaked the dates and plans to the 'terrorists'. In it's other far less generous and more likely light, it calls for nothing less than indictments of at least Cheney, Rumsfield and Meyers as well as many around them and probable grounds for death sentences. Pergaps it's time we moved on from the CD debate and simply focussed on the military drills of 9/11..? With a bit of reasoning and some spit and polish this could be a profoundly disturbing and persuasive fact to so many. The fact that records exist too... well, that just makes it all the easier.<hr></blockquote> I agree fully on these points. I have ALWAYS thought the war games were most compelling. I have used it on several people. Their best defense is that somehow 'they' (OBL) had spies inside. I follow up with the fact that no one has been held to account for the intel failure or 'spy' brought to justice.

by **NewKid** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:34 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr> "Bwahaha!" This reads like a kids action adventure cartoon, exactly the level used for propaganda to Americans. Perhaps just a psycho-political event generated to reinforce the 'al-Queda dunnit' cover story for the police state and War on Terra. If Porter Goss, Cheney, and Bush were really concerned about this they wouldn't be publicly underscoring it by telegraphing "dang, you've blown our system!" Gee, gues we'll just have to monitor everyone with the NSA now. "Rats. We hate to hafta do that but for the good of our nation...." <hr></blockquote> Damn, Hugh, you beat me to the punch. I was even going to use the word "rats" too! But you forgot to mention Clinton tying our hands and the "wall" and all the Church restrictions . . .

by **antiaristo** » Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:42 pm

isachar, Now isn't that interesting. The schafer quote is <blockquote>Quote:<hr>two messages from suspected al-Qaida figures: "The match is about to begin" and "Tomorrow is zero hour."<hr></blockquote> But the CNN story actually says <blockquote>Quote:<hr>in one communication intercepted by the NSA, a person said, "The match begins tomorrow." In another intercept that same day, a different person said, "Tomorrow is zero hour." <hr></blockquote> Which is close to what I remembered. What game is Schafer playing? Both his WaPo links are dead. <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Anti, this is what I could find on "the match begins tomorrow" quote. Can you explain the Cheney connection from your perspective? Thanks<hr></blockquote> "Match" suggests a synchronisation, no? It's always in the TIMING. They did the same when bombing Madrid. <a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm17.showMessage?topicID=98.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...D=98.topic</a>

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