Ok folks you be the judge.This theory is not so whacky is it

[StarmanSkye]

DBD:<br>?????<br><br>Man, YOU have a lotta goddamn nerve.<br><br>I spent a great deal of time and effort and wrote thousands of words patiently examining and considering and refuting your previous 'no-planes' posts -- which you basically ignored, AND accused me of mindlessly accepting the mainstream media bullshit because I remained skeptical of CD.<br><br>I sort-of thought you MIGHT reply in such a lazy, cheap-shot way.<br><br>"Nothing but grunts and innuendos."<br><br>YOU let the last several threads on this topic die -- there was PLENTY of reasoned discussion you could have considered. What the Fuck -- Why should anyone bother responding to you if you blow them off and then claim they're not providing reasoned argument?<br><br>Dreams End's bullet analogy is a good one -- Would you claim the whole bullet 'should' slow down when it meets resistance, even as the tip deforms and shatters while traveling at 1000 feet per second (or more)?<br><br>Among other points, I also addressed this issue in a previous thread. You seem to think the planes should have exhibited an observable slowing when their nose and wingroots impacted on the core columns. Fer chrissakes, the planes were in the process of being shredded while they were moving at around 700 feet per SECOND. Given their 160,000 pounds, that's an enormous energy of mass/momentum. At a video frame-rate of 35 per second, each frame would 'capture' the plane moving about 20 feet while impacting the towers -- much too imprecise to isolate whatever deceleration of a few feet per second might be expected. There'd only be about 6 video frames out of 35 even showing the plane impacting -- or, 6/35th of a second -- about one-sixth of a second.<br><br>Get real.<br><br>"Sad, but I've come to expect it here.... "<br><br>YOU'RE the one casting aspersions here, for some private reason.<br><br>Starman <p></p><i></i>

[darkbeforedawn]

<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> How Rovian. Well, If I really have to do this AGAIN, I will talk about the ridiculous speeding bullet argument. In the first place, Steel, copper aluminum, lead or whatever a given bullet is made out of, is always much much denser than flesh. Yes, it needs to be traveling at high speeds to cause wounds. But the fact that speeding bullets tear holes in bodies, does NOT prove that aluminum wings spanning 160 feet will pass through a series a heavyweight construction grade steel girders and their accompanying cement flooring, without even slowing their speed, leaving any debris or producing any explosion whatsoever as is shown in the vidios, no matter how fast they are traveling. This is treated extensively in the above article which obviously you did not bother to read before you tore into me. <br> And by the way, I may be a troll, but you clearly are a troller for an unnamed viscious little country whose agent blatantly stole 3 trillion dollars from the pentagon account, and who had "art student" spies <br>following the patsey fall guy "hijackers" around for 6 months before the attack to make sure all the details of their "flight schools" lined out. This viscious, racist warmongering state is a blot on humanity and especially a blot on the religion it CLAIMS (though clearly does not) to represent. This viscious psuedo state also had agents filming the explosions at the WTC as they were set up to film BEFORE the attacks and were caught at it by the state police as they danced and celebrated their victory. And the worst thing? This viscious state clearly has agents controlling our media. That is why the truth about 911 cannot and probably will not get out. <p></p><i></i>

[Dreams End]

actually, I was just making sure you got pissed enough to remind the casual lurker what you really are. Thanks for obliging. <p></p><i></i>

[darkbeforedawn]

I can't imagine what that might be, except of course, someone who deeply and furiously wants the American public to know the truth. This is what the media has consistently kept and is keeping from us. I know you disagree with this concept. In fact, you promote almost all their "truths about 9-11 as well as many other issues. What fox news told us works just fine for you apparently. <p></p><i></i>

[isachar]

DBD, you have fallen for the no planes hoax. You are a victim of the very disinfo campaign you sense has occurred.<br><br>Thierry Meyssan (sp?) was the promulgator of this nonsense viz the Pentagon. Then we got the pod people followed by the hologram people, followed/accompanied by the scalar wave people.<br><br>911 wasn't a single hoax. It is multiple (and continuing) hoaxes.<br><br>Large, commercial-size airliners were involved in three hits (WTC1,2 and Pentagon). I know an eyewitness who saw the flight that hit the Pentagon on its final approach about a mile (seconds) out from impact. This is someone with phenomenal powers of observation who also carries a Doctorate in the hard sciences. I've known this individual for almost two decades.<br><br>Remote control, pre-planted explosives, explosive payloads, purposely delayed response of fighters, plane substitution, CD, Flight 93 shoot down, stand-down, phony cockpit transcripts and cell phone calls, war games, MIHOP, WTC-7 as control room, PNAC/Israeli complicity? All are well within the realm of possibility, many are likely, and one day - perhaps - some will be shown to be factual.<br><br>"No planes" is the least plausible thing to have occurred. Yet this is what you and other suckers/disinfo agents rely on and put forward as being the "truth". What a joke. <p></p><i></i>

[darkbeforedawn]

I haven't "fallen" for anything.I don't know that I even support Morgan Reynolds or any of the "noplaners" And all kinds of "reliable" people "saw" every imaginable thing that day. I only said that I found this researcher to be thorough and in my eyes very carefull with the use of many details and much back up material.Spooked has been a devoted researcher on the net for three years. It's sad when people cannot even look at an argument but go right to the smear and deride mode. Any possibility you don't want to entertain is a. dangerous and b. a joke. Oh well. Just thought I would put it out. <p></p><i></i>

[Dreams End]

By the way, the reason I call dbd a "troll" is not for bringing up this topic...as questionable as it is...it's for bringing up the topic a second time after a huge thread in which, as starman sky mentioned, all his points were replied to and in which he ignored the arguments. <br><br>Then he starts another thread with a "gee, look at this" as if the first thread never existed. Then he complains that no one will respond factually when he never replied to the original responses. Nor did he even respond to my argument. So, the only conclusion I can draw is he just wants to tick people off.<br><br>As for what dbd showed himself to be....that speaks for itself. <p></p><i></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

This thread monkeywrenches both sides of this argument, I think:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=4123.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...4123.topic</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>In what way, I'm not sure, but I can't help but wonder how much a role either this company or an analogue played in post 9/11 perception management..<br><br>I fail to see how billions spent on laserbeams and alien technology image projections and 100% MSM compliance(which would have to make the largest cabal in human history) is more cost effective than crashing a passenger jet loaded with fuel..<br><br>The more people that are involved in a cabal/conspiracy, the less likely it is to survive..How can some people override that logic and believe that hundreds(thousands?) of people are involved in 9/11? <p></p><i></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

One more passing thought about media compliance, and it's just a thought:<br><br>When a director's making a film, alot of times the actors/actresses don't have an idea how/when a shock/attack occurs. This is done to make their reaction as genuine(hence, convincing) as possible. If someone was trying to sell the biggest lie ever told, I think genuine reaction on the part of the media would have been of significantly higher value than a coached response.. <p></p><i></i>

[darkbeforedawn]

I posted this because it was just compiled into a complete whole in the last two days and I thought Spooked had done a stunning job in presenting his theory.There are several new points here as well and the photos and diagrams do a good job of supplementing the text. I don't remember if I responded to DE in the last thread as I have been very busy. Anyway, I am interested in whatever unmentionable thing DE thinks I have shown myself to be. As far as I know, I am only looking for information and sharing it with others, something that is not very encouraged in an age when the media has become an arm of the state. And oh yeah, I am kinda down on his favorite country right now--hint it's not the US. But then the US isn't mine either, so there ya go.... <p></p><i></i>

[Dreams End]

Actually, it's starmanskye who posted the most on that last thread as he very clearly stated above. Which you ignored. Again.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[darkbeforedawn]

As I said I was away and busy when people were blasting away on the last thread. When I opened it again I was surprised at the uproar. And also I have trouble with his writing style-- often I am not able to decipher his points or his questions. He often goes on at great length and interjects quotes that don't seem relevent or even reliable. Sometimes I even think he belongs to the myriad of posters here like DE who never tire of expressing their belief and even loyalty to the official version of 9-11, including the bogeyman in the cave, the kids with boxcutters no flying experience on commercial jets performing like fighter pilots, the ability of hydrocarbon fuel and minor damage to afew floors to cause total top to bottom collapse in less than 10 seconds, the incompetence and total failure of our Airforce, the heros of flight 93 etc etc etc. .... <p></p><i></i>

[darkbeforedawn]

For a specific example of Starman's style (I believe it is called spamming) go to the thread on Conyers and Boxer supporting the attack on Iran and read his latest offering. It is an exercise in nothingness looks like to me. What do you think? <p></p><i></i>

[robertdreed]

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[darkbeforedawn]

Yes, I agree about the initial shocked response being the best--many unembedded journalists did have initial responses such as the comment by quite a few about explosive devices in the buildings. This ocurred after OKC bombings as well. Also journalists discussed how the hole at the pentagon simply looked to small to allow an jet in and that there was little or no debris on the lawn to indicate a jet. There were many many interesting sincere responses, most of which were quickly deleted. I think many researchers address the number of people in the know it would have taken to have pulled this off. It actually comes down to very few and a whole bunch of "yes" men. And this country is full of yessers. <p></p><i></i>