9/11 Whistleblower Andrew Grove Comes Forward

[dugoboy]

this seems to be very real. look up stewart air force base in new windsor, new york. im at minute 37 or so now but i think he was talking about elliot spitzer not patrick fitzgerald. ... <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dugoboy@rigorousintuition>dugoboy</A> at: 5/30/06 10:23 am<br></i>

[greencrow0]

One thing that completely put me off about him was when he said he gave a bunch of his evidence to Harrison Ford [to prevent the Asian Tsunami???!] but that Harrison didn't respond.<br><br>Why Harrison Ford? What made him think Harrison Ford was going to ruin his Hollywood career to help a conspiracy theorist?<br><br>I reflected on what I know about Harrison Ford and my impression of him is that he's a heavy drinker, he runs around on his wives [he dropped that Patricia McQueen who was also his wife for the actress who played that anorexic woman on TV...can't remember her name].<br><br>Anyway, Andrew Grove showed very poor judgment by picking Harrison Ford. Maybe it's this poor judgment that caused him to lose his jobs.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Sweejak]

Michael Corbin's A Closer Link radio program from Oct. 28th. It's an interview with 9-11 researcher Indira Singh.<br><br>These audio files (about 15 megs each) are available for download to your disk at:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.h-files.hraunfjord.org/Sweejak/singh_corbin_1.mp3">www.h-files.hraunfjord.or...rbin_1.mp3</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.h-files.hraunfjord.org/Sweejak/singh_corbin_1.1.mp3">www.h-files.hraunfjord.or...in_1.1.mp3</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.h-files.hraunfjord.org/Sweejak/singh_corbin_1.2.mp3">www.h-files.hraunfjord.or...in_1.2.mp3</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <p></p><i></i>

[dugoboy]

edit: nevermind..he says patrick fitzgerald is a player. meaning he is not trustworthy...meaning jeff was right...<br><br> Fitzgerald became the prosecutor in the case against Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman and 11 others charged in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. he helped cover up what happened. fitzgerald is involved with the plame investigation. andrew says because plame's cover was blown over 100 undercover agents were murdered because they were under plame's supervision. do remember plame was investigating iran's nuclear capability when she was outed...oh this is so much more complicated <p>___________________________________________<br>"BUSHCO aren't incompetent...they are COMPLICIT."</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dugoboy@rigorousintuition>dugoboy</A> at: 5/30/06 10:41 am<br></i>

[AnnaLivia]

(if i knew how to make this computer do what it can, i'd be dangerous.)<br><br>i don't know how anyone could forget Indira's interviews...they so blew me away...and drove home the realization that the baddie's power to hide their deeds is always going to be greater than our power to reveal them. glad you put up the link for any newbies who missed it back when. you get a cookie, cookie. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>

[Sweejak]

I'd agree with you... before Charlie Sheen.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[dugoboy]

i am now 70 minutes in. andrew is talking about massive widespread corporate coruption in the risk managemen tsector. this is the electronic information age. its information warfare. bbl. <p>___________________________________________<br>"BUSHCO aren't incompetent...they are COMPLICIT."</p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dugoboy@rigorousintuition>dugoboy</A> at: 5/30/06 12:18 pm<br></i>

[monkeymcgee]

I don't trust anyone who uses that many big words when simple ones would do just fine.<br><br>I'm still listening to the "transmission," but that's definitely something that gets my antennae up. It is a not-so subtle hint that someone is trying to appear more intelligent or important than they really are. <br><br>It's also happens a lot when people lie...<br> <p></p><i></i>

[monkeymcgee]

Despite his language, just about every fact I've checked from his story seems legit. Of course, that doesn't mean it's not been made-up, but it's a well-done story if it is.<br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :hat --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/pimp.gif ALT=":hat"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=monkeymcgee@rigorousintuition>monkeymcgee</A> at: 5/30/06 4:06 pm<br></i>

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

He's posting as '8thEstate' and offering more info.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=28696&mesg_id=28696">www.progressiveindependen...g_id=28696</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>(Thanks for bringing that link over to PI, bamabecky, even though you are getting weird about 'Hannah' and her Denver Airport alien claims.)<br><br>Yeah, going to Harrison Ford is odd but Grove sounds like a bright techie who found out about parapolitics the hard way, by getting fired and blacklisted.<br><br>I listened to the tape last night and was impressed. He's new on the internet whistleblower scene so you won't find much in a search yet.<br><br>Tangential observation not meant to judge Grove's info:<br><br>I just wrote in a thread about chemtrails that the 'internet left' is being used as an insert point for info meant to spread slowly into the middle class. Good info seems to usually be revealed for bad reasons, namely, power struggles between fascists.<br><br>Since I've read more from L. Fletcher Prouty about how 'whistleblower' Daniel Ellsberg was used by CIA to blame Vietnam on the Pentagon and ONI agent Bob Woodward was used to topple Nixon, I'm thinking even more that whistleblowers could also be players in the internecine gang warfare between CIA and Pentagon which was the real reason for Watergate, the Pentagon Papers, and other landmark power battles waged since both sides agreed JFK must go.<br><br>Europeans and even the Brits are trying to sandbag this White House cabal using 9/11 so there are many players besides 'the left' who'd like to expose that scam.<br><br>Even though I hate the idea, there are even spooks who believe all that 'defending freedom' rhetoric and want to stop this White House from digging our hole deeper. Imagine if Grove were one of those, like Robert Redford in 'Day of the Condor' where he plays a CIA analyst who goes out for coffee (Grove was late for a meeting on the 98th floor of the WTC on 9/11) only to find when he gets back that his co-workers have been all killed (Grove says all the execs who sided with him against corruption were at that meeting and died while the most suspect exec with ties to the CFR teleconferenced from his west side apartment. Other hostile execs also survived 9/11.)<br><br>That said, Grove's info sounds valid to me so far.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[pugzleyca3]

Thanks for the links. I'll be on later tonight (when it cools off over here, hot as blue blazes right now where my puter is) to listen to them.<br><br>Also, is it against any kind of internet rules to type a transcript of Grove's audio and post it here? <br><br>I was thinking of trying to do that, but don't want to cross any boundaries on something like that.<br><br>Thanks! <p></p><i></i>

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

My hopes exactly. This needs to be text. <br><br>No reason not to and every reason to do it since Grove is desperately trying to spread his story any way possible.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[Sweejak]

Ditto on the validity. So far. <br>He sent me the whistelblower lawsuit doc. Sure it could be fake but if so he did it pretty quickly and it included timestamps etc and the conversation with Indira Singh's rep.<br><br>Here's a quote:<br>"He's liberal CIA, and that's the best mafia you can deal with in the twentieth century."<br>-- Timothy Leary<br><br>I'm not referring to Grove, just to the situation you outlined so nicely. <p></p><i></i>

[Sweejak]

Ask him.<br><br>Richard@Renaissance-Interventures.com <p></p><i></i>

[lilorphant]

Harrison Ford was probably viewed as a "safe" source, due to his involvement with the Hudson River. Prior to 9/11, the Hudson River was slated for Superfund cleanup, due to PCB dumping by GE. Christine Whitman, prior governor of New Jersey was against dredging the Hudson, (supposedly the dredging could end up contaminating New Jersey waters) so as newly appointed head of the EPA could finish off any hope that citizens had of dredging. GE had taken out billboards along the Hudson against cleanup as this would be costly for them, as Supefund requires 50% matching. Harrison Ford then got active pursuing illegal dumping.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.probeinternational.org/ebi/index.cfm?DSP=content&ContentID=6093">www.probeinternational.or...entID=6093</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>