Ruppert/Hecht: THE NY TIMES PUTS 9-11 QUESTIONS IN THE GRAVE

[FourthBase]

Enough people have been exposed to WTC 1 & 2 CD theories and Pentagon no-plane theories as the "centerpieces". There are far more compelling anomalies, inconsistencies, etc. Time to get other memes out there. Fast. A 9/11 conspiracy video that doesn't mention CD or no-plane AT ALL. Is there one yet? <p></p><i></i>

[NewKid]

Sure. Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime doesn't mention that stuff. <br><br>FB, did you ever get your grade back from the conspiracy class? I never heard how it ended. <p></p><i></i>

[greencrow0]

Ruppert handed in his 9/11 truth researcher badge the night he gave that insulting speech to those many good folk from the Pacific Northwest who came out to hear more about 9/11 truth.<br><br>He told them to 'stuff it'...he was on to bigger things....like 'peak oil'...<br><br>He's likely a disinfo agent...as Andrew Grove intimated last week...the 9/11 truth movement is full of them...and he tops my list...and I read <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>'Crossing the Rubicon'</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> cover to cover and loved it...which made his giving the 'finger' to that audience in the pacific north west a year or more ago all the more onerous...and ominous.<br><br>Rupert is a zero. He sold out. He was there to plant some aspects of the truth, that would come out anyway but then to deny their impact...that was his job.<br><br>There are no heros in all of this...there are leaders and there are those in the trenches like myself...but there are no heros...all of us has to suck it up...all those dispairing and fearful moments, when we think that 'they' will never be brought to justice...when we think we're not doing enough...when we worry we're doing too much and 'they' might harm us or our families...but we keep on because humanity is driven by truth...for lies will surely kill it.<br><br>That's why I said earlier that Ruppert is 9/11 truth roadkill...like many others who came before and many who will join the movement for one reason or another and then leave...we can't let any of that deter us. We can't hang our hats on any 'star'. We just have to keep building up the body of knowledge, knocking around the ideas and theories to see which ones stand up to the 'market place of opinions', as Al Gore describes it. <br><br>Consenus on 9/11 has come a long way since I joined the movement in 2003. And, as someone here said earlier, all it takes is <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>one</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> insider like Sibel Edmonds to 'come out' and give us the missing pieces to the puzzle.<br><br>GC<br> <p></p><i></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

Didn't Rupprt have something to do with Gary Webb's murder? Like, wasn't he an investigator or something? I don't know his story much, but how does this guy go from being a detective to the crossing the rubicon gig? This guy screams 'GateKeeper' to me..Maybe someone can clear this up, but I've always considered him to be one of the bad guys.. <p></p><i></i>

[FourthBase]

When I get my grade, I'll update the thread. <p></p><i></i>

[HMKGrey]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I don't think we can have a paperless revolution. Better to have an old printing press in the basement than depend on the goodwill of electronic providers, most of which are extentions of Old Power cohabitating with National Security. Blogger (bought by Google) is killing me right now. It's like a denial of service attack, from them.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Good point. I've been reading about The White Rose movement of WWII lately. Basically a bunch of leaflet printing students who managed to put enough fear in to the PTB that the groups leaders were caught, tried and beheaded on the same day. <br><br>Fuck this digital thing. It's getting us nowhere. <br><br>Suppose I create a single PDF file all about the training exercises taking place on 9/11 with a full list of very credible links so that people can check the truth of it for themselves. They'd be beautifully designed, properly copy-written and very, very careful to steer clear of hyperbole. The basic thrust might be: <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>I just found this out and I think someone has some explaining to do...Help me get the explanation we all deserve.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> Very friendly, very reasonable and approachable. Like I said, copy-written. To get a job done. <br><br>Then I make it available to everyone here and we all agree that we'll print 1,000 copies each and distribute them in our nearest biggest city. Obviously, we'll check for duplication. But if we could get half a million persuasive, credible leaflets out there - with a call to people to print their own and spread the word... then, you'd have something worth talking about. <br><br>And, of course, that would be the start. <br><br>Between us, we could create a hosting site for resources like printable leaflets - all carefully written and designed so as to exude the exact opposite of the Godawful cheesy, easily dismissable books, pamphlets etc that only harm our cause. <br><br>Do little but do it really well.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[stickdog99]

This is a propaganda war more than anything else, folks.<br><br>Although TPTB have all the firepower in this battle, they also have all the firepower in the Iraq War. What they don't have is the competence to use this firepower effectively. Just hearing the MSM report "to say 9/11 was an inside job is lunacy" contains the meme "9/11 was an inside job."<br><br>You'd be surprised how attractive and compelling this meme is to many people who don't vote and who are generally apolitical. It just makes too much sense when you consider what's happened since.<br><br>The propaganda of TPTB has never made much sense and it's dominant. Does it make sense to tax earned income but not the unearned gifts of billionaires to their billionaire kids? Does it make sense to spend a couple of billion dollars to change over to a completely unauditable voting system? Does it make sense to pretend that Iran now and Iraq before it were/are imminent threats to the national security of the USA? So tell me, why must all opposition propaganda be logically unassailable and meticulously researched? The video of WTC-7 falling combined with its list of tenants and the fact that its implosion was unprecedented and remains unexplained is worth a thousand Popular Mechanics articles. <br><br>Fold the new 20 dollar bill for your friends. Look at the burning buildings. It's in your face propaganda at its barest. I'm completely serious about this. You don't have to convince people. In fact, that might be counter-productive. Just plant the seed, in "anything's possible, right?" and "wouldn't put it past them, would you?" kinda way. People need to find their own way through this door. When people think they figured out this stuff for themselves when almost nobody else was the wiser, it takes a lot more than the poison pills that will supposedly kill "the 9/11 truth movement" that we keep being warned about to dissuade them.<br><br>This is more a question of belief than anything else. People's belief of what they have been told 24/7/52 for the last four plus years about 9/11 needs to be challenged on all conceivable levels. You don't switch from believing in God to being agnostic because you encounter impeccable research or read a logically unassailable discussion on the subject of advanced theology. One day you just wake up and you realize that you're just not sure about your faith anymore.<br><br>More than enough impeccable research has been done. It is readly available to anyone who is resourceful, curious and, most importantly, receptive. What is needed now is to simply disseminate the "question 911" meme into our cultural consciousness using every means available.<br><br>I was at a major convention center the other day and somebody had written on the toilet paper dispenser with an indelible marker: "WTC-7 Controlled Demolition - www.wtc7.net - Wake up!"<br><br>Tell me why you think this is bad. Look at Christianity. They tell the less spiritually enlightened to believe if they want to get to heaven and avoid hell and the more spiritually inclined to believe because God is love. Sure, it's kind of contradictory and ridiculous, but it gets the job done.<br><br>Finally, I think the whole construct of "the 9/11 truth movement" -- especially one that includes competitive claims of ownership -- is a pernicious load of crap. It ain't a fucking "truth movement"; it's a bunch of 100% legitimate and 100% logical unanswered questions about the events of 9/11 that lead any rational person capable of considering the possibility to a number of 100% legitimate suspicions. My point is that nobody among the "good guys" of "the 9/11 truth movement" knows the fucking truth about 9/11. All we know for sure is that we've been lied to big time. If we could just leave it at that and stop claiming ownership, advancing disprovable theories and arguing over purity and limited hangouts, we wouldn't be susceptible to poison pills.<br><br>No, I don't think questioning if a plane hit the Pentagon is where to begin, primarily because there <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>are</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> a number of eyewitnesses who say it did and, even if they're all lying or mistaken, convincing evidence showing a 757 hitting the Pentagon could someday be quite easily faked and then released. But why does Ruppert pretend that this evidence has already been released and that this has something to do with HIM? <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=stickdog99>stickdog99</A> at: 6/8/06 12:16 am<br></i>

[pugzleyca3]

"Most Americans, even though they intuitively know something is very very wrong, are too fat, lazy and apathetic to acknowledge it or do anything about it."<br><br>Are you an American?<br><br>This is an undeserved blanket insult to Americans like myself who don't happen to be "too fat, lazy and apathetic to acknowledge it or do anything about it". Using the word "most" does little or nothing to temper it.<br><br>I could very well say the same thing about the people in the UK, Australia and Canada who are succumbing to the same politics that Americans are the victims of. But I don't, because I have nothing to back up my reasoning as to why they are allowing their governments to put thousands of cameras everywhere or take their legal weapons from them or allow someone who supports Bush's policies and allows NAFTA into their government. Or why they are allowing their freedoms to be chipped away the same way the American's freedoms are.<br><br>Are they too fat, lazy and apathetic to fight back,too? <br><br>Americans have been lied to, the public trust has been repeatedly broken. Protests do no good. We've got a government who cares not about the will of the people. They've embraced corporatism and people have been protesting that for decades here, but no one listens.<br>Our elections are rigged.<br><br>It's the same all over, isn't it?<br><br><br><br> <br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[pugzleyca3]

You've hit the nail on the head, Stickdog.<br>All it takes is that planting of the seed of doubt. <br><br>Who "trusts" the government? Not very many people. <br><br>So the PTB have got that blackeye from the get go. <br><br>We don't. <p></p><i></i>

[911 Eye Witness]

The title of Ruppert's article reads to me as wishful thinking from someone that wishes ill towards the 911 truth movement. The NYT article was a step forward because it mentioned more than a few ideas that have been forbidden in mainstream media, such as WTC7 or the melting point of steel. As another poster pointed out these memes are powerful even when mentioned in an overtly discrediting way. Considering that the next most visible media coverage of 911 truth has been Charlie Sheen on late night TV, or Stephen Jones on (*gag*) Tucker Carlson, this NYT piece is significant. Whoops, gotta mention Hustler too but that's not really mainstream...<br><br>Basically, Ruppert is now trying to kill 911 Truth. For a better perspective read this report from Les Jamieson of NY911Truth.org. I've interacted with both Ruppert and Jamieson and have only nice things to say about Les.<br><br>9/11: Revealing the Truth, Reclaiming Our Future<br>June 2nd - 4th in Chicago, the largest 9/11 truth conference to date drawing an estimated 500 people took place. Leading researchers and movement luminaries such as radio talk show host Alex Jones, BYU Prof. Steven Jones, famed attorney William Pepper, Pacifica radio host Ralph Shoenman, former MI5 agent Annie Machon, Jim Fetzer of Scholars For Truth, author Jim Marrs, radio host Meria Heller, Project Censored founder Peter Phillips, author Webster Tarpley, whistleblower Kevin Ryan, documentary maker Barrie Zwicker, OKC Bombing researcher Chris Emery, and many more totalling 47 speakers who drew 500 people to this amazing event. There were educational and strategy workshops designed to bring a deeper understanding of the attacks of 9/11, and action ideas on how a real investigation and ultimately truth can be obtained. <br><br>A pre-conference press conference took place with statements from the keynote speakers and questions from the audience. <br><br>Since getting out the truth involves street actions, a march took place in downtown Chicago on Friday afternoon with approximately 100 protesters carrying "Stop the 9/11 Cover-up" and "Neo-Con Jobs: Iraq, 9/11" signs from Daley Plaza to three media companies. This was a very appropriate action that got the conference off to a spirited start. The excitement carried throughout the weekend due to the excellent attendance and recent Zogby poll released May 22nd showing that 42% of our population disbelieve the government's account of 9/11 and 45% want a real investigation.<br><br>The event also drew reporters from Italy, Finland, the NY Times, as well as local Chicago media. On Monday after the conference, to the surprise of all in the movement, an article appeared in the NY Times called "500 Conspiracy Buffs Meet to Seek the Truth of 9/11" which mentioned the Reichstag fire, questions of the collapse of Building 7, the melting point of steel, the absence of air defense and more. This is quite a breakthrough after nearly 5 years of silence from the NY Times with respect to the glaring questions and obvious cover-up which indicate government complicity.<br><br>In addition to 9/11 activists, there were people from anti-war organizations such as United For Peach & Justice, WorldCan'tWait, and Peace Action Coalition. They appeared to be very aware of the in-depth research and evidence of 9/11 as the "New Pearl Harbor" and were involved trying to bring this information to their networks. There was even a new group of Vets For 9/11 Truth, which is a promising development.<br><br>The founder of 911blogger.com was there and gave some great insight on blogging at the 9/11 Grassroots 101 strategy session. Gary Franchi, with one of the most popular new sites, www.lonelantern.org was a vibrant figure who also headed up one of the local support staffs which did an invaluable job in managing logistics and hospitality for the conference.<br><br>There were some new films shown such as 9/11 Press For Truth by Kyle Hence, 9/11 Hoboken (the new version of 9/11: Eyewitness), and Improbable Collapse by Mike Berger. The incredibly popular Loose Change 2 was shown and the young producers participated in a film/media workshop. Jesse Richard of TVNewsLies.org gave a presentation on how to shape the message of 9/11 truth. There was a political strategy workgroup with candidates Carol Brouillet, Craig Hill, Jim Hogue, Rich Whitney, and Col. Bob Bowman. There were so many interesting workshops that people had a hard time choosing which to attend. <br><br>Sunday afternoon featured workshops on strategies geared toward "Reclaiming Our Future". The tracks included media/journalism, legal, research, politics, and grassroots organizing . Attendees were able to brainstorm and contribute to the process of generating ideas and initiatives that will be instrumental in taking the movement through the next phase of action and accomplishment. Each group reported on the abundant opportunities they came up with. <br><br>The conference ended with a rousing address by Col. Robert Bowman who is running for Congress in Florida on the Democrat ticket. He claimed that if elected, he will take the 9/11 issue mainstream. His demeanor certainly leads one to believe he has every intention in fulfilling that promise. Bowman, a highly decorated fighter pilot, also described how the 4 hijackings could not have taken place without deliberate obstruction within our defense system. Along with taking action on 9/11, he listed a comprehensive platform showing that his candidacy is completely credible and deserves widespread support. <br><br>I think its safe to say, attendees left inpsired and energized to enter the next phase of 9/11 activism. With the talent, creativity, and commitment evident there we can look forward to a very eventful summer and fall with more progress being achieved as we continue to work towards truth, justice and human progress.<br><br>By Les Jamieson<br>6/8/06 <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.ny911truth.org/events.htm">www.ny911truth.org/events.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[OnoI812]

Ruppert has a lot of nerve.<br><br>First he declares 9/11 a dead issue , then promptly shifts to peak oil scam meme. <br><br>Now he calls himself a pioneer, when Alex jones was on the scene day one(actually day negitive 60) .<br> and today Ruppert is blowing hot air, while Jones is dropping bombshell after bombshell. Today he has Professor Jones on.<br>And Guess what, he finally says he has definitve proof that Thermate was used to cut the WTC steel. They were able to obtain verifiable samples and now know the exact patented chemical composition used, and not only that, but the tests were done with a team of high level scientists, and the work has been peer reviewed and the results are to be released shortly to the scientific community.<br><br>They are desperate to discredit these findings before public release. Is it any wonder why this new salvo of attacks should happen right now? <p></p><i></i>

[Sweejak]

FYI<br><br><br>Alex Jones interviews Prof. Steven Jones.<br><br>Professor Jones has obtained samples of WTC steel which were used in a memorial to 9-11. Jones has also has obtained steel from another source in NYC. The analysis Jones says points convincingly to the use of Thermate, a variant of Thermite.<br><br>Check the interview.<br><br>Podcast url here:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.prisonplanet.tv/07_06_06_podcast.mp3">www.prisonplanet.tv/07_06_06_podcast.mp3</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Related Article:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/240406thermiteidentified.htm">www.prisonplanet.com/arti...tified.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

I wish those results could have been obtained by anyone but Alex Jones..I don't have anything significant against the guy, but he really goes over the top sometimes.. <p></p><i></i>

[Gouda]

Remember that the primary target audience of the NYT is a collection of privilaged centrists: moderates, liberals (urban and/or university-based) and moneyed conservatives. Basically, the system's legitimizing power base; not the American public in general. <p></p><i></i>

[Gouda]

I think it is likely that Power (which are competing radical factions) in harmony with the NYT, needs to reign-in any wandering centrist minds of the middle-to-upper classes and reinforce the smug capitalist script. "Ahem, your attention, please! 911 happened, it's over, we've printed it, it's fit, it's history - now, let's get back to working on the important stuff: Profit. Leave the revisionist fantasizing to the no-growth internet nuts. Pay no attention to Chicago." <br><br>Funny that Ruppert is almost saying the same thing as the NYT - only his important stuff is Peak Oil hegemony rather than Imperial hegemony. <br><br>On the other hand, all this "pay no attention to the pink elephant" showbiz does tend to make people curious about pink elephants and may entice them to have a peek, which opens up the risk that one or two of those curious souls, if they do not indulge only to re-affirm their own well-programmed sense of superiority and smug complacency, may actually turn into capable, balanced, rigorous 911 skeptics, researchers, acitvists or whistleblowers. (Far too few there are - or, far too many red herrings and energy drains there are - and this is where Ruppert is right.)<br><br><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>On edit</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->: "pay no attention to chicago" could be better stated as: "pay attention to chicago, but do not pay them <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>your</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> mind, which is better off with us, as you know, *wink*wink* ." <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=gouda@rigorousintuition>Gouda</A> at: 6/8/06 5:39 am<br></i>