PMC's, Opus Dei, Bush, Al Taqwa, 9/11 and The Middle Finger

by **hmm** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:09 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>you do realize that vheadline is a website of the Chavez government in Venezuela?<hr></blockquote> I dont believe vheadline deserves this endorsement,and the implication that it only prints fact. Now i think Chavez is a hero,dont get me wrong,which is why i object to using him to endorse vheadline. It is true that the government of Venezuela (used to) financially support vheadline,but im not sure that is the case anymore. vheadline has changed alot from the vheadline of a few years back,and i dont mean for the better. i will leave it to Al Giordano of NarcoNews fame to explain in more detail as im sure his word will carry a bit more weight with you than mine <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"> <a href="http://narcosphere.narconews.com/comments/2004/3/1/21129/96112/21">narcosphere.narconews.com...9/96112/21</a> "I don't understand the kind of "journalism" that Vheadline and its cacique Roy Carson does. There was a point in time when they had no greater supporter than me. When, during the coup, their server suddenly disappeared, and Roy was out sick, Narco News carried them and produced their reports for the world when no one else would. When, 8 months later, they almost went out of business, it was a fund appeal that I sent to our donors that bailed them out and kept them alive. But then, since no good deed goes unpunished, wierd shit started happening. They - and their pals over at the escualido oligarch petroleum news site (I don't understand why they play footsie with those oilagarchs) - started stealing Narco News articles for their websites that, after all, are both Commercial and sell ads... Roy started posting articles on his site as if Luis Gomez or I had posted them ourselves, it was very deceptive and, in my opinion, dishonest. It could have been an innocent mistake, but when I asked Roy to please stop it he freaked out, blocked me from reading Vheadline's pay-per-view stories, and even accused me of provoking the suicide of escualido gringa Janet Kelly (I kinda liked that: not even I think my svengali powers can do such public good!). It was bizarro. But it also gave me cause for pause. Since then, I've watched a hundred "stories" on Vheadline that don't cite the sources (often ripped off from the oligarch press in Venezuela without citing the source), or one in particular that claimed a conspiracy to assassinate Chavez in an airplane that they never followed up on with any hard facts, and I feel more confident in Venezuelanalysis.com, in aporrea.org, and in the new venezuelafoia.info than I do in Vheadline." i think that clears things up about Vheadline?

by **eric144** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:17 am

"i think that clears things up about Vheadline? " Yes, the website employs various horrible pop ups and the Venezualan government wouldn't accuse the Catholic Church of running assasination squads in the United States !! That's rabid conspiracy theory territory and there's plenty anti-Catholic hate material out there.

by **hmm** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 10:32 am

just because i think people need to be aware that vheadline has changed and isn't the same publication it used to be doesnt mean i dont think opus-dei is a sinister organisation. Maybe the government of Venezuela would accuse the vatican of running hitsquads,i dont know.. i personally suspect that opus-dei is one of those cold-war gladio ops. much has already been published regarding gladio and the war on the left in europe. think belgium,italy,spain much has also been published regarding pedophile scandals in "respected" religious institutions across europe.

by **eric144** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:05 am

"Maybe the government of Venezuela would accuse the vatican of running hitsquads,i dont know.." I really don't think so, apart from anything else, 96% of Venezuelans are catholic and not operating in the USA for sure. "I personally suspect that opus-dei is one of those cold-war gladio ops." It originated in 1928 (long before the cold war in Spain), and had a clearly spiritual, not political basis. <a href="http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/dei.html">religiousmovements.lib.vi...s/dei.html</a> "much has also been published regarding pedophile scandals in "respected" religious institutions across europe" This sounds like an old fashioned American sectarian WASP smear because it is obviously directed at catholicism which is pervasive in Latin countries. The catholic church has backed anti-communist (aethiest) right wing politics (includng fascism) in Europe for a long time. It assisted the nazis to escape after the war and so forth. That meanss that prominent catholics and Opus Dei members will have been players in Operation Gladio and other nefarious activities. Let me repeat "catholicism is pervasive in Latin countries" The Catholic church is no more evil and hateful than American protestant churches which are politically motivated and intertwined with right wing politics. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=eric144>eric144</A> at: 10/20/05 9:23 am

by **AnnaLivia** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:28 am

I guess you can either dismiss me or forgive me for skipping over the part where you scrutinize every detail and proceeding right to the synthesis of the thing, but the whole Chavez "issue" is like this, for me: Hero? Well, I’m pretty sure you can find mistakes he’s made that would make many rational people stop short of that description. A pedestal is as confining a space as a cage anyway, so, I won’t put him there. But just how obvious can it be that the cheap-labor predators currently at the helm of the US gov want to kill this guy so bad they can taste it? the danger he presents to them is that he’s trying to do things that DON’T enable them to keep working people over a barrel. Man, what if THAT shit catches on?! Why, corporate feudalism might someday disappear! Ye gods! Chavez said (no, not actual quotes) “screw you, you profiteering oil companies, we’re keeping a bigger share of the profits from our oil for our people, so there.” And he said the ultimate no-no “land-ownership reform”. And the US got caught red-handed fomenting/backing the last coup. As I remember, the timeline of published headlines, proved US gov in it up to their eyebrows. So, besides the value of Chavez to his own people, he’s valuable to us as a teaching tool. Joe American really does love democracy, and he loves his parents receiving their social security checks, too. So you remind Joe that that SS check that keeps his momma alive is a socialistic program, and suddenly Joe starts to see through that bullshit that socialism is just a dirty word, and Joe starts to see that a marriage called social-democracy is what he really wants. Then you let Joe know that no matter what HE thinks of Chavez, the people of Venezuela have elected this guy over and over and over…that Chavez stood voluntarily before the voters so they could boot him out if they wanted to, but they didn’t want to, but that OUR government refuses to accept the decision of the people of that sovereign nation, and continues to spend OUR tax money to try to bring him down. So we can put somebody in who’ll screw his own countrymen to benefit American corporations. Joe will get interested when he finds out how much of his gasoline comes from Venezuela. Remind him how much they WANT to sell us their oil, and show him that this is all about the big-oil profiteers violently resisting the reduction of their extravagant profiteering. Ask Joe if he thinks we ought to fight Venezuela so oil companies can go back to raking an obscenely higher profit margin. I like Chavez as a “foot in the door”, for Joe to start to understand and accept that American foreign policy is doing one thing, while Joe has always thought it was doing the opposite. Follow up with introducing Joe to Smedley Butler’s war is a racket. Your goal is to immunize Joe from swallowing lies.

by **hmm** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:38 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>That meanss that prominent catholics and Opus Dei members will have been players in Operation Gladio and other nefarious activities.<hr></blockquote> this is how i should of said it <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/wink.gif ALT=";)"> <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Let me repeat "catholicism is pervasive in Latin countries"<hr></blockquote> yes true,and is connected to the quote above. but you might have heard of the monroe doctrine and roosevelt adding a new "corollary" to the Monroe Doctrine: "In his address to Congress on December 6, 1904, he claimed that the United States had the right not only to oppose European intervention in the Western Hemisphere but to intervene itself in the domestic affairs of its neighbors if those neighbors proved unable to protect U.S. investments in the region on their own." so i dont see how it really matters if its catholic or protestant organised christianity we are talking about,or which is more evil or more intertwined with questionable politcs because i think it all bears looking into.

by **eric144** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:39 am

"opinion piece" I agree completely. Putin is a slightly less appealing 'hero' but every bit as brave to stand up to the oil mafia. cheers Eric

by **hmm** » Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:51 am

sure he is human, i wanted to point out some misconceptions some people seem to have about vheadline without bringing chavez the person,or his policies into the discussion.i just used the hero label to try to deflect that. its true he could be very relevant to ordinary people in the usa.

by **michael meiring** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:31 am

misconceptions that seem well founded, especially lumping in the ''evidence' linking swiss bank, bush and the 'hijackers'. I would suggest we find out who the actual hijackers were first, rather than accepting the patsies peddled as the perpetrators.

by **antiaristo** » Fri Oct 21, 2005 7:32 am

I’ve come late to this but let me pass on what I know. Spanish progressives DO consider OD to be a fascist organization. Opus Dei are very heavily involved in the Partido Popular. Aznar’s wife Anna Botella is a member. The defence minister in the Aznar government, Federico Trillo, is a high profile member. That means that the two persons who HAD to be involved in the bombing of Madrid are connected to the cult. Opus Dei was turned into a personal organization by JPII. The model was the Templars. That means OD are NOT answerable to the Bishops and the local Hierarchy, only to the Pope. He then put Escriva on the fast track to Sainthood and canonised him – while the late John XXIII languishes in the waiting room. Ruth Kelly is a quid pro quo. In 1983 JPII lifted the centuries-old prohibition against Freemasonry (but they didn’t tell the rest of us until 2003. See my letter to JPII in data dump) and the King was able to plant Masons throughout the bureaucracy and the corporations. (As an aside, that is what the big fight between Catalonia and Madrid is all about. They want out of the Spanish bureaucracy) For the avoidance of doubt: Opus Dei is Masonic.

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