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Re: the white van

Postby Dreams End » Mon Nov 14, 2005 11:50 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>On August 23rd, Mossad gave the CIA a list of the names of 19 terrorists living in the US who they said were planning to carry out a major attack.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Well, that settles that. Not only does the Mossad rule the world, they also can't keep a secret.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: the white van

Postby eric144 » Mon Nov 14, 2005 11:52 am

proldic<br><br>Are you saying Israel is completely innocent and the 9/11 operation was carried out by the United States who deliberately ignored warnings by the Mossad ?<br><br>I might have believed it if it hadn't been for the 5 Israelis dancing for joy, the warning phone calls from Odigo and the fact that no Israeli WTC employess were killed on 9/11 despite little Christian Zionist GW Bush's lies.<br><br>Having the Mossasd agent on the plane was a masterstroke, but I don't believe anyone was on the planes.<br><br><br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=eric144>eric144</A> at: 11/14/05 8:56 am<br></i>
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Re: the white van

Postby Qutb » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:07 pm

Eric, I think all the evidence points to the Mossad conducting an intelligence gathering operation on the 9/11 plot. You're free to show me why you disagree, and why you think that's not the sort of thing intelligence agencies are occupied with most of the time.<br><br>It's interesting that the people who complain the loudest about Israel's spying on the US, are often the same people who can't conceive of the possibility that they were spying in this instance. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: the white van

Postby eric144 » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:18 pm

QUTB<br><br>To be honest, you are obviously extremely biased and amost certainly Jewish and it pains me to get involved in an argument not a discussion. I think everything you have said is blind and slanted in the extreme. Yes, the mossad cover up tactics were very comprehensive.<br><br>I am not anti-semitic, I have never (to my knowledge) met a Jewish person, have never heard or made an anti-semitic remark because Jewishness isn't an issue here. I watched and loved Seinfeld and didn't know it was a Jewish comedy till after it was finished. <br><br>Jesus, St. Paul, Einstein, Dylan, Paul Simon - all Jewish., the best the human race has to offer.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: the white van

Postby Dreams End » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:24 pm

I'm having the hardest time finding confirmation of the no Israeli deaths story. The only sites I keep coming to have names like "thugsanon" (I said hi for you, by the way, Eric.)<br><br>I'd be curious to see the actual citation, though if there were Mossad who used some WTC company as a front, I'm sure they'd warn their countrymen.<br><br>I remember the original story, of course, was that no JEWS were killed. this is debunked easily in the new film on the Protocols of Zion by interviews with relatives of Jewish victims. <br><br>So I'd like to see the original data. I'd also want to know how many Israelis work at the World Trade Center and in what capacities, as the planes hit before many were at work (this is why between 2 and 3 thousand were killed, rather than 30,000). <br><br><br><br>There is one report cited:<br><br>Demographic Data on the Victims of the September 11, 2001 Terror Attack on the World Trade Center, New York City. Population and Development Review <br><br>I found this on thugsanon. It says that:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The underlying data come from the N.Y. City Medical Examiner's Office.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Given the conditions of the bodies, I'm not exactly sure how they were able to tell the Israelis from the Irish, etc. So the actual report would be handy. <br><br>There is a Population and Development Review but it's a members site. Usually, the right search can sneak past members sign in by grabbing a cached copy. However, doing such a search on "Population and Development Review" and "Israeli Deaths" (Israeli gets too many hits) turns up nothing but the same thugsanon site.<br><br>Also like a source on the Odigo calls. I'm having the same difficulty there, as well. <p></p><i></i>
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traces of explosives

Postby michael meiring » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:30 pm

Qutb.<br><br>If you check out the police reports, they say traces of explosives were found in the van being used by these mossad spies, along with boxcutters and a substantial amount of cash hidden.<br><br>Now why would spies have or had have explosives on their sponsoring nation? are the boxcutters a clue perhaps?<br><br>Also interesting where the words out of these spies mouths when they were first arrested, ''the palastinians are both our enimies? what the hell is that supposed to mean?<br><br>Israel seems to come up a lot in 9/11.<br><br>From netanyus infamous remarks of 'these attacks are really good for israel'' to the spies filming the towers collapsing while celebrating, to odego getting advance warnings? i mean can you believe al qaeda would ring the israelis up to get them to evacuate their offices?<br><br>perhaps its time for a link with all israeli angles in this whole sorry mess?<br><br>There was even the israeli firm who were in charge of the security at the airports where the planes departed, if my memory serves me correct without doing a search?<br><br><br>As time passes the fog of fantasy descends, so there will know doubt be thousands of shill sites devoted to murkying the waters, but at the time i especially remember warnings of possible bridges being targets for attacks, no coincidence there then that these 5 israeli spies connecting them to sept11 is now classified were carrying maps with bridges circled and ringed?<br><br><br>I find it particularly revealing with the sentence, EVIDENCE LINKING these 5 israelis to sept 11 attacks is now CLASSIFIED. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: traces of explosives

Postby Dreams End » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:36 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>If you check out the police reports, they say traces of explosives were found in the van being used by these mossad spies, along with boxcutters and a substantial amount of cash hidden.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><br>Now we are getting somewhere. Michael, could you post the link to those police reports? Thanks.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Also interesting where the words out of these spies mouths when they were first arrested, ''the palastinians are both our enimies?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Is that in the same police report?<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>There was even the israeli firm who were in charge of the security at the airports where the planes departed, if my memory serves me correct without doing a search?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I have this pathological need for sources. Your memory on this one is wrong, but the real story is interesting, so I'll post this:<br><br> Bush-Linked Company Handled Security for the WTC, Dulles and United<br>by Margie Burns<br> <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>George W. Bush's brother was on the board of directors of a company providing electronic security for the World Trade Center, Dulles International Airport and United Airlines, according to public records. The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for years to the Bush family.<br><br>The security company, formerly named Securacom and now named Stratesec, is in Sterling, Va.. Its CEO, Barry McDaniel, said the company had a ``completion contract" to handle some of the security at the World Trade Center ``up to the day the buildings fell down."<br><br>It also had a three-year contract to maintain electronic security systems at Dulles Airport, according to a Dulles contracting official. Securacom/Stratesec also handled some security for United Airlines in the 1990s, according to McDaniel, but it had been completed before his arriving on the board in 1998.<br><br>McDaniel confirmed that the company has security contracts with the Department of Defense, including the U.S. Army, but did not detail the nature of the work, citing security concerns. It has an ongoing line with the General Services Administration - meaning that its bids for contracts are noncompetitive - and also did security work for the Los Alamos laboratory before 1998.<br><br>Marvin P. Bush, the president's youngest brother, was a director at Stratesec from 1993 to fiscal year 2000. But the White House has not publicly disclosed Bush connections in any of its responses to 9/11, nor has it mentioned that another Bush-linked business had done security work for the facilities attacked.<br><br>Marvin Bush joined Securacom when it was capitalized by the Kuwait-American Corporation, a private investment firm in D.C. that was the security company's major investor, sometimes holding a controlling interest. Marvin Bush has not responded to telephone calls and e-mails for comment.<br><br>KuwAm has been linked to the Bush family financially since the Gulf War. One of its principals and a member of the Kuwaiti royal family, Mishal Yousef Saud al Sabah, served on the board of Stratesec.<br><br>The managing director at KuwAm, Wirt D. Walker III, was also a principal at Stratesec, and Walker, Marvin Bush and al Sabah are listed in SEC filings as significant shareholders in both companies during that period.<br><br>Marvin Bush's last year on the board at Stratesec coincided with his first year on the board of HCC Insurance, formerly Houston Casualty Co., one of the insurance carriers for the WTC. He left the HCC board in November 2002.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: the white van

Postby Qutb » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:38 pm

Eric<br><br>You're obviously extremely biased and almost certainly a Nazi. <br><br>I'm not Jewish, by the way, not that it's any of your business. <br><br>Sure, there's no evidence, so that proves "the mossad cover up tactics were very comprehensive." <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I have never (to my knowledge) met a Jewish person<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Figures <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> But you've read a lot about them, I'm sure.<br><br><!--EZCODE IMAGE START--><img src="http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/signs/images/nazi-prop7.jpg" style="border:0;"/><!--EZCODE IMAGE END--><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: the white van

Postby eric144 » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:42 pm

QUTB<br><br>You posted the original slimy article, why ? It's obviously propganda ?<br><br><br><br>"I'm not Jewish, by the way"<br><br>I don't believe you or maybe you are a figment of some creep's imagination.<br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=eric144>eric144</A> at: 11/14/05 9:44 am<br></i>
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Odigo

Postby sunny » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:42 pm

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Re: the white van

Postby eric144 » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:51 pm

The Five Dancing Israelis<br>Arrested On 9/11<br><br>As the world watched in disbelief and asked the question... <br>...Mossad operatives were seen dancing with joy.<br><br> <br> A Mossad surveillance team made quite a public spectacle of themselves on 9-11.<br><br>The men set up cameras by the Hudson River and trained them on the twin towers. (1) <br><br>Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming "middle-eastern" men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery. (2) <br><br>"They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me" said a witness. (3)<br><br>[T]hey were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage. (4) <br><br>Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact (5). Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot. (6)<br> <br><br>"It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park." (7) <br><br>One anonymous phone call to the authorities actually led them to close down all of New York's bridges and tunnels. The mystery caller told the 9-1-1 dispatcher that a group of Palestinians were mixing a bomb inside of a white van headed for the Holland Tunnel. Here's the transcript from NBC News:<br><br>Dispatcher: Jersey City police.<br>Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians and going around a building.<br>Caller: There's a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh uniform.<br>Dispatcher: He has what?<br>Caller: He's dressed like an Arab. (<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>(*Writer's note: Why would this mystery caller specifically say that these "Arabs" were Palestinians? How would he know that? Palestinians usually dress in western style clothes, not "sheikh uniforms")<br> <br><br> Based on that phone call, police then issued a "Be-on-the-Lookout" alert for a white mini-van heading for the city's bridges and tunnels from New Jersey. When a van fitting that exact description was stopped just before crossing into New York, the suspicious "middle-easterners" were apprehended. Imagine the surprise of the police officers when these terror suspects turned out to be Israelis! <br>According to ABC's 20/20, when the van belonging to the cheering Israelis was stopped by the police, the driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers:<br> <br><br>"We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem."(9) <br><br>Why did he feel that Palestinians were a problem for the NYPD? <br><br>The police and FBI field agents became very suspicious when they found maps of the city with certain places highlighted, box cutters (the same items that the hijackers supposedly used), $4700 cash stuffed in a sock, and foreign passports. Police also told the Bergen Record that bomb sniffing dogs were brought to the van and that they reacted as if they had smelled explosives. (10)<br><br>The FBI seized and developed their photos, one of which shows Sivan Kurzberg flicking a cigarette lighter in front of the smouldering ruins in an apparently celebratory gesture. (11) <br><br>The Jerusalem Post later reported that a white van with a bomb was stopped as it approached the George Washington Bridge, but the ethnicity of the suspects was not revealed. Here's what the Jerusalem Post reported on September 12, 2001:<br><br>American security services overnight stopped a car bomb on the George Washington Bridge. The van, packed with explosives, was stopped on an approach ramp to the bridge. Authorities suspect the terrorists intended to blow up the main crossing between New Jersey and New York, Army Radio reported. (12) <br><br>TCM Breaking News reported that the van was laden down with tonnes of explosives (13). <br><br>What's really intriguing is that ABC's 20/20 (14), the New York Post (15), and the New Jersey Bergen Record (16) all clearly and unambiguously reported that a white van with Israelis was intercepted on a ramp near Route 3, which leads directly to the Lincoln Tunnel. <br><br>But the Jerusalem Post, Israeli National News (Arutz Sheva) (17), and Yediot America (1<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> , all reported, just as clearly and unambiguously, that a white van with Israelis was stopped on a ramp leading to the George Washington Bridge, which is several miles north of the Lincoln Tunnel.<br><br>It appears as if there may actually have been two white vans involved, one stopped on each crossing. This would not only explain the conflicting reports as to the actual location of the arrests, but would also explain how so many credible eye-witnesses all saw celebrating "middle-easterners" in a white van in so many different locations. It also explains why the New York Post and Steve Gordon (lawyer for the 5 Israelis) originally described how three Israelis were arrested but later increased the total to five. <br>Perhaps one van was meant to drop off a bomb while the other was meant to pick up the first set of drivers while re-crossing back into New Jersey? If a van was to be used as a parked time-bomb on the GW Bridge, then certainly the drivers would need to have a "get-away van" to pick them up and escape. And notice how the van (or vans) stayed away from the third major crossing -the Holland Tunnel- which was where the police had originally been directed to by that anti-Palestinian 9-1-1 "mystery caller". A classic misdirection play.<br> <br><br>From there, the story gets becomes even more suspicious. The Israelis worked for a Weehawken moving company known as Urban Moving Systems. An American employee of Urban Moving Systems told the The Record of New Jersey that a majority of his co-workers were Israelis and they were joking about the attacks.<br><br>The employee, who declined to give his name said: "I was in tears. These guys were joking and that bothered me. These guys were like, "Now America knows what we go through." (19) <br><br>A few days after the attacks, Urban Moving System's Israeli owner, Dominick Suter, dropped his business and fled the country for Israel. He was in such a hurry to flee America that some of Urban Moving System's customers were left with their furniture stranded in storage facilities (20). <br><br>It was later confirmed that the five detained Israelis were in fact Mossad agents (21). They were held in custody for 71 days before being quietly released. Some of the movers had been kept in solitary confinement for 40 days. (22)<br><br>[S]everal of the detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show after their return home. <br>Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the morning of Sept. 11, "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the event." (23)<br> <br><br>How did they know there would be an event to document on 9/11? <br><br>It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to connect the dots of the dancing Israeli Mossad agents - here's the most logical scenario:<br><br>1. The Israeli "movers" cheered the 9-11 attacks to celebrate the successful accomplishment of the greatest spy operation ever pulled off in history. <br>2. One of them, or an accomplice, then calls a 9-1-1 police dispatcher to report Palestinian bomb-makers in a white van headed for the Holland Tunnel. <br><br>3. Having thus pre-framed the Palestinians with this phone call, the Israeli bombers then head for the George Washington Bridge instead, where they will drop off their time-bomb van and escape with Urban Moving accomplices. <br><br>4. But the police react very wisely and proactively by closing off ALL bridges and tunnels instead of just the Holland Tunnel. This move inadvertently foils the Israelis' misdirection play and leads to their own capture and 40 day torture. <br><br>5. To cover up this story, the U.S. Justice Department rounds up over 1000 Arabs for minor immigration violations and places them in New York area jails. The Israelis therefore become less conspicuous as the government and media can now claim that the Israelis were just immigration violators caught in the same dragnet as many other Arabs. <br><br>6. After several months, FBI and Justice Department "higher-ups" are able to gradually push aside the local FBI agents and free the Israelis quietly.<br> <br><br>Osama bin Laden was immediately blamed for the 9-11 attacks even though he had no record of doing anything on this scale. Immediately after the Flight 11 hit WTC 1 CIA Director George Tenet said "You know, this has bin Laden's fingerprints all over it." ( 24) <br><br>The compliant mainstream media completely ignored the Israeli connection. Immediately following the 9-11 attacks the media was filled with stories linking the attacks to bin Laden. TV talking-heads, "experts", and scribblers of every stripe spoon-fed a gullible American public a steady diet of the most outrageous propaganda imaginable. <br><br>We were told that the reason bin Laden attacked the USA was because he hates our "freedom" and "democracy". The Muslims were "medieval" and they wanted to destroy us because they envied our wealth, were still bitter about the Crusades, and were offended by Britney Spears shaking her tits and ass all over the place! <br><br>But bin Laden strongly denied any role in the 9-11 attacks, and he suggested the attacks were orchestrated by Zionists. The BBC published bin Laden's statement of denial in which he said:<br><br>"I was not involved in the September 11 attacks in the United States nor did I have knowledge of the attacks. There exists a government within a government within the United States. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; to the people who want to make the present century a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity. That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks. ... The American system is totally in control of the Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States." (25) <br><br>You never heard that quote on your nightly newscast did you?<br><br>[A] number of intelligence officials have raised questions about Osama bin Laden's capabilities. "This guy sits in a cave in Afghanistan and he's running this operation?" one C.I.A. official asked. "It's so huge. He couldn't have done it alone." A senior military officer told me that because of the visas and other documentation needed to infiltrate team members into the United States a major foreign intelligence service might also have been involved. (26)<br> <br><br>To date, the only shred of "evidence" to be uncovered against bin Laden is a barely audible fuzzy amateur video that the Pentagon just happened to find "lying around" in Afghanistan. How very convenient, and how very fake. (27) <br><br>There is no evidence, be it hard or circumstantial, to link the Al Qaeda "terrorist network" to these acts of terror, but there is a mountain of evidence, both hard and circumstantial, which suggests that Zionists have been very busy framing Arabs for terror plots against America. <br><br>One last thing - at 09:40 a.m. on 9-11 it was reported that the Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine claimed responsibility for the attacks (2<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> . This claim was immediately denied by the DFLP leader Qais abu Leila who said it had always opposed "terror attacks on civilian targets, especially outside the occupied territories." (29)<br><br>9/11 CNN streamed RealVideo item mentioning a Palestinian claim of responsibility<br> <br><br>Why would a Palestinian organisation comprising of less than 500 people (30) make the suicidal move of immediately claiming responsibility for the 9-11 attacks?<br><br>Sharon and the other Israeli leaders aspire to fulfill what the goals of the political Zionist movement have been since its origin a century ago: to turn all of historic Palestine into an exclusively Jewish state. A central tenet of the Zionist ideology is expressed in the racist slogan, "A land without people for a people without a land." (31) <br><br>The implication of Palestinians in the 9-11 attacks would have handed Zionists a golden opportunity to achieve the above because all Palestinians would have been labelled terrorists.<br> <br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html">www.whatreallyhappened.co...aelis.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: the white van

Postby Qutb » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:51 pm

Eric<br><br>The original article was "slimy" and "obvious propaganda", because it was written by a "reptile", who wouldn't acknowledge the fact that the Zionist reptiles rule the world, right?<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I don't believe you<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>I couldn't give a fuck if you believe me or not, you're a Nazi piece of shit as far as I'm concerned. <p></p><i></i>
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Eric

Postby sunny » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:53 pm

I'm having trouble figuring out why it matters if Qutb is Jewish or not. "Accusing" someone of being Jewish doesn't make his arguments invalid, unless of course you have something against that particular race. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Odigo

Postby Dreams End » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:53 pm

The article linked by Sunny:<br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>Odigo says workers were warned of attack<br>By Yuval Dror<br><br>Odigo, the instant messaging service, says that two of its workers received messages two hours before the Twin Towers attack on September 11 predicting the attack would happen, and the company has been cooperating with Israeli and American law enforcement, including the FBI, in trying to find the original sender of the message predicting the attack.<br><br>Micha Macover, CEO of the company, said the two workers received the messages and immediately after the terror attack informed the company's management, which immediately contacted the Israeli security services, which brought in the FBI.<br><br>"I have no idea why the message was sent to these two workers, who don't know the sender. It may just have been someone who was joking and turned out they accidentally got it right. And I don't know if our information was useful in any of the arrests the FBI has made," said Macover. Odigo is a U.S.-based company whose headquarters are in New York, with offices in Herzliya.<br><br>As an instant messaging service, Odigo users are not limited to sending messages only to people on their "buddy" list, as is the case with ICQ, the other well-known Israeli instant messaging application.<br><br>Odigo usually zealously protects the privacy of its registered users, said Macover, but in this case the company took the initiative to provide the law enforcement services with the originating Internet Presence address of the message, so the FBI could track down the Internet Service Provider, and the actual sender of the original message. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: the white van

Postby eric144 » Mon Nov 14, 2005 12:54 pm

couldn't give a fuck if you believe me or not, you're a Nazi piece of shit as far as I'm concerned<br><br>I think you're a piece of fictional shit. No more reality than a dream. <p></p><i></i>
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