Dov Zahkeim: This article pulls alot of loose ends together

by **darkbeforedawn** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:25 pm

Ya know, it wasn't a big point in the book. It was maybe three sentences. And sadly, like many of my "conspiracy" books I have lent it out in my (probably futile) attempts to spread the word. But it was a point I took very much to heart and deeply hoped was not true. Since reading that sentiment--which is why Ruppert abandoned the truth movement (the belief that the media could be successful in keeping the truth from the public)--I have come to see that it does seem to be true. Mass media will not/cannot confront this issue unless completely forced as it is now, and even now continues in its dogged attempts to "debunk" the facts. Now who controls the media and why this is so-- I dunno --maybe you do?

by **FourthBase** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:31 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Also speaking of which, anyone know anything more about the Daniel Lewin the Capt of The Sayeret Matkal, Israel's Elite Anti-Hijacking Team, that Peggy Ong named as the man with the gun doing the hijacking on Fl. 11?<hr></blockquote> Hold up...WHAT? Never heard that before. Where are you getting that from? Sounds absurd.

by **Pissed Off Cabbie** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:37 pm

Where did the stolen billions from the Pentagon go? I would imagine that a great deal of it was used as hush money to keep things under wraps, and to pay for under-the-radar operations that can't be billed to the government. In the initial invasion of Iraq after 9/11, their military seemed to pull back. Word has it that some of the top brass was paid off to do so. That must have cost a pretty penny. I like how Zakheim has been involved with remote-control devices for aircraft. Imagine that.

by **FourthBase** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:56 pm

About the 2.3 trillion...It's possible for Rumsfeld to claim that instead of saying that the money was missing, that it was simply impossible to track because of an old accounting system blah blah blah.

by **rocco33** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 3:58 pm

I have a tape of reporting from the day and night of 9-11, what first came out about Fl. 11 was that stewardess Peggy Ong called on an airphone and talked to an American Airlines operator and said that "someone in first class has a gun". Daniel Lewin was in first class, which was virtually empty, with the 4 hijackers. People speculate on why the story changed about Ong's call and the guy with the gun in seat 9b, and now those tapes have been reported "destroyed", conveniently enough. Here's a good summation... <div style="text-align:center">September 11, 2001: Israeli Special-Ops Passenger Shot or Stabbed by Hijackers? An FAA memo written on the evening of 9/11, and later leaked, suggests that a man on Flight 11 was shot and killed by a gun before the plane crashed into the WTC. The “Executive Summary,” based on information relayed by a flight attendant to the American Airlines Operation Center, stated “that a passenger located in seat 10B [Satam Al Suqami] shot and killed a passenger in seat 9B [Daniel Lewin] at 9:20 am.” (Note that since Flight 11 crashed at 8:46, the time must be a typo, probably meaning 8:20). A report in Israeli newspaper Ha’aretz on September 17 identifies Lewin as a former member of the Israel Defense Force Sayeret Matkal, Israel’s most successful special-operations unit. [United Press International, 3/6/2002] Sayeret Matkal is a deep-penetration unit that has been involved in assassinations, the theft of foreign signals-intelligence materials, and the theft and destruction of foreign nuclear weaponry. Sayeret Matkal is best known for the 1976 rescue of 106 passengers at Entebbe Airport in Uganda. [New Yorker, 10/29/2001] Lewin founded Akamai, a successful computer company, and his connections to Sayeret Matkal remained hidden until the gun story became known. [Guardian, 9/15/2001] FAA and American Airline officials later deny the gun story and suggest that Lewin was probably stabbed to death instead. [United Press International, 3/6/2002; Washington Post, 3/2/2002] Officials assert that the leaked document was a “first draft,” and subsequently corrected, but declines to release the final draft, calling it “protected information.” However, an FAA official present when the memo was drafted will dispute the FAA’s claim, asserting that “[t]he document was reviewed for accuracy by a number of people in the room, including myself and a couple of managers of the operations center.” [WorldNetDaily, 3/7/2002] According to one account, Sweeney gives him the seat locations of three hijackers: 9D, 9G, and 10B. She says they are all of Middle Eastern descent, and one speaks English very well. [New York Observer, 2/11/2004] He relays that Ong said the four hijackers had come from first-class seats: 2A, 2B, 9A, and 9B. She said the wounded passenger was in seat 10B. [Boston Globe, 11/23/2001] </div> Anyways, here's a link with a compilation of mainstream links to Lewin and flight 11. <a href="http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?id=1521846767-1959">www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?id=1521846767-1959</a> Your favorite, judical-inc has some stuff on this too that's worth a look. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=rocco33>rocco33</A> at: 9/8/06 3:24 pm

by **slimmouse** » Fri Sep 08, 2006 6:38 pm

Ahh. Now I understand Photographers obsession with Betty Ong. Come back Photographer. This board misses you !

by **havanagilla** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 1:18 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>Hava is right: Dov is a criminal, and an enemy of common Israelis as much as common Americans, and we should be able to agree on that "without implicating the dead bones of the entire jewish tribe in this criminal corrupt group's crimes." But that distinction seems too fine for some, and we should ask why that is.<hr></blockquote> i don't think you'll get an answer, and there is no exculpating one. I have also noticed that there is a role for DE's "antisem-watch" function here, which is actualy along the same line of the usual "blame the jews/israel" type. in fact it is not a two sided "argument" (conflict of views), but one that has two complementary parts. I will try to explain and then will not bother with this board, perhaps except the few MC victim- buddies I have made here. While the usual israel bashers here have very keen eye as to the hidden agenda of the israeli leadership/army and their sponsors in the USA (some jews some none), - as much as Stormfront can offer, and which is why sometimes people have to shut their noses and go down that alley to find suppressed info - They, or YOU, are doing it completely without looking into the inner structure of the Israeli society with an eye of transforming it. its the ususal genocidal sentiment following what you see as insidious corruption in the leadership. then comes DE and points to the role of the scapegoating in the larger context of US politics (world politics), again, with a fixed gaze at "israel/jews" as an asbtract unit that does not merit redemption or transformation. in his mind, one has to look at how the PTB's are using the MeMe and neutralize it, whatever the conseuquences are, for that group. He couldn't care less, if we continue to get raped by the pedo's that have taken power possibly since but also before WW2, for various reasons. US democracy merits transformation, and that's about it, the rest are a permanent entities whose existence matters only as it plays in the US game. -- The words "objectify" and "instrumental" come to mind, and it is still, both sides of that "argument" are within this discourse of alienation from real people. Yes, the ptb's of this world are playing with imagery, that's their new tool. this discourse on this board has not transcended the core problem, of people being used as "icons", commercials, object, rather exotic objects at times. Holocaust for me, is people being stripped of their individuality, becoming numbers. the board here is well within the hell of post holocaust discourse, and "representation", DE included. for this reason - "otherness" on this board has to serve a limited role of allowing the projection to run wild. one cannot step out of the object which is examined by the neigh sayers (traditional racists and bashers) and the yae sayers (DE who works vigilantly to deconstruct the "Jewish icon" and fit it for his theory, on how the bad cia/oil guys have created the Jewish golem in order to throw it to the dogs, a very simplistic view of Jewish community, as well. now they are all fallguys lumped together). therefore this board is racist. therefore i see no diversity here, therefore DE makes sure no REAl blacks (welfare cheaters), Israelis (lunatics who have suffered bad relationship and should attend to mental health), etc. are actually needed here to speak for themsleves. each "otherling" has a proper white spokesman who limits their full humanity to a poster, or a comic figure. "let me speak for you...." says the advocate. This is a white supermacists club. and although there is some debate as to whether a russian jew as myself qualified as "semite" at all, it only relates to the question whether I have a right to self destruct, cause perhaps my kind are not deserving of protection from antisemitism. but not for any other, life enhancing, matter. too bad. but i guess, this club is what there is, these days. Pitty, a lot of important info is here, one has to really shut their nostrills to get it, and too bad the israeli community cannot deal with its problems and therefore someone like me has to get a sort of "protection" mixing in this crowd, saying "well, if you kill me, the antisemites will know and feast". that's a very very sad situation, or very funny, except people's real life are at stake. anyway, as to the zooloogical question coming here from some (who never saw a real jew), yes, there are israelis/jews who work with nazis, you can call them nazis too, that's ok. they are abusing my tribe as much as any other. I think it is imperative to deal with them, even if it spoils DE's idea of let's protect the jews, cause this way we interrupt the CIA's plans. Don't use people like that, don't keep people as bombs, that you send to harm another group. well, why am I saying it. obviously, this is precisely what the the business of this board is. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=havanagilla>havanagilla</A> at: 9/9/06 1:02 am

by **darkbeforedawn** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 1:41 am

"They, or YOU, are doing it completely without looking into the inner structure of the Israeli society with an eye of transforming it. its the ususal genocidal sentiment following what you see as insidious corruption in the leadership" But Hava, how can we transform the inner core of Israeli society when we are still dealing with the fact that the majority of our own countrymen are in such deep deep denial they still think IRAQ had something to do with the attack on the WTC? This was shown by a very recent poll. The "truth seekers" here are faced with a truly appalling state of ignorance at a very basic level If we are talking about "transforming" anything it has to start with transforming education-- hence media. The public here, including many of my own dearly beloved family, have been tricked, lied to, psyopped, deceived and mind controlled by this most insidious of modern fascism. I have to aim my reform at them. If I can get say one person a week to think about one issue, I feel "successful. As for transforming someone elses country? Forget it.

by **havanagilla** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 2:54 am

DBD, if you didn't lay all the crap on "another country" (indiscriminately, so) , your argument might have hanged for a while, not long. cause we are talking attitudes, and this board. "forget it" is the kind of attitude that brought your society to where its at.

by **FourthBase** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 3:23 am

Right again, hava. Let's not forget it. Please.

by **darkbeforedawn** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:16 am

My attitude is that we in the US have been lied to and deceived about Israel and its role in the middle east. "the only democracy" indeed!! For years, I bought the victim story about Palestinians for no known reason just blowing themselves up at weddings and in markets--just out of sheer barbaric hatred. For years, I was told that this was the most legitimate depository of all our foreign aid and tax dollars. I'm angry for these lies and I am frightend for the citizens of Israel. I'm angry that Zionists in our own government cynicly promoted these lies and knowingly promoted the lies about 9-11. I am not angry at the people of Israel or Jews. I don't know how to reform my own country, nevermind yours. I don't even know how to reform my former best friend who thinks that there is an arab terrorist behind every bush. (teeheepun not intended) That was my point.

by **FourthBase** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 4:42 am

No reason to just throw up your hands and "forget it", though.

by **darkbeforedawn** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 1:42 pm

FB I don't want ever to forget (and I don't think I ever said I did) that Israel is a land full of people who are victimized just like ourselves almost in the exact same manner except that the people are placed in far more danger. What I want other posters to "forget about" is the notion that I or indeed any individual, could possibly "reform" another country. Perhaps in compensating for all the lies I have swallowed about Israel for the last 30 years, I have been a little more vituperative than I should be. Isreal itself and its people are not the problem. It is the criminal elements who control the power structure there, probably aided and abetted by the criminals here. Sadly, as many have documented, the level of complicity of ordinary American citizens with these thugs, murderers, extortionists, perverts and blackmailers is really quite high. Some have called it the Stockholm Syndrom. Others say we are just greedy consciousless bastards who cannot empathize with the rest of the world we are plundering to supply us with unneeded and polluting luxuries as we squeeze the life out of their little economies. I don't know which it is--perhaps some of both. I think in Israel it is probably more just purely the Stockholm syndrom. The populace is terrorized on all sides.

by **blanc** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 1:58 pm

apologies if you took my comment to mean that I thought you anti-semetic. I don't, since I have read most of your posts for long enough to know this is not so. but judicial inc. is and has been inaccurate on a subject I know very well (not this one), and so in the article quoting it, we found careless and accidental or deliberate and intentional slur on group who is not the proper target. that is all I mean.

by **dbeach** » Sat Sep 09, 2006 5:22 pm

Thanx Blanc that is the first time {I think }that I have refernced that site judicial inc. at RI..AND THE LAST.I hastly posted it without looking at the racist and negative comments. This is the usual site I post here regarding Mr. Zacheim. Both nations the USA and Israel are planned to be sacrificed creating a chain reaction of other free nations to collapse into Total Totalitarianism .. This thread has been very upsetting for me and I would like to see the thread stay on the topic of Zacheim..or let it fade. This is the usual site I post here regarding Mr. Zacheim. <a href="http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/trillions.html">911research.wtc7.net/sept...lions.html</a> "Missing Trillions Rumsfeld Buries Admission of Missing 2+ Trillion Dollars in 9/10/01 Press Conference On September 10, 2001, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld held a press conference to disclose that over $2,000,000,000,000 in Pentagon funds could not be accounted for. Rumsfeld stated: "According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions." 1 Â Such a disclosure normally would have sparked a huge scandal. However, the commencement of the attack on New York City and Washington in the morning would assure that the story remained buried. To the trillions already missing from the coffers, an obedient Congress terrorized by anthrax attacks would add billions more in appropriations to fight the "War on Terror." The Comptroller of the Pentagon at the time of the attack was Dov Zakheim, who was appointed in May of 2001. Before becoming the Pentagon's money-manager, he was an executive at System Planning Corporation, a defense contractor specializing in electronic warfare technologies including remote-controlled aircraft systems. 2 Â 3 Â Zakheim is a member of the Project for a New American Century and participated in the creation of its 2000 position paper Rebuilding America's Defenses which called for "a New Pearl Harbor." 4 Â "

Dov Zahkeim: This article pulls alot of loose ends together

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Stockholm syndrom or what's your excuse?

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