by anotherdrew » Mon Sep 25, 2006 4:03 am
one thing I've wondered, making a thermite reaction isn't too hard. What was explained to me was that you could take aluminum from a soda/beer can, tear it into thin strips and mix it in with a lot of smallish rusted iron, like chopped up rusted nails, that you could extra rust a bit after chopping up; then to start the mixture reacting, just add some regular high heat source.<br>So what I'm wondering is... could a thermite reaction possibly have developed spontaneously in the collapse due to the aluminum/steel construction, which Tom-Scott Gordon talks about in the 'galvanic corrosion' line of thinking. "...aluminum had not yet been tested as a combination-layered structural material in this type of application." So this might be a way the reaction could have started, in the heat of the initial fires, a thermite-type reaction could have started between the steel-aluminum and all the oxidising steel, then the hot molten reaction mass would have dripped down over more of the column starting up the reaction in other areas.<br>---<br>hmmm well, look here:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Fireball from Aluminum Grinding Dust<br><br>Date: September 21, 2001<br><br>Identifier: 2001-RL-HNF-0036<br><br>Lessons Learned Statement:<br>Aluminum grinding dust can create a serious explosive fire hazard when it is mixed with steel or iron grinding dust.<br><br>Discussion of Activities:<br>A safety coordinator at the Esso Oil Company plant in Longford, Australia, was using a belt grinder in his home workshop to smooth the edge of a hacksaw cut on a 2" length of 1.5" angle iron. He had been grinding for about 1.5 to 2 minutes when there was a loud "THUMP" accompanied by an approximately 2-foot diameter brilliant yellow orange fireball. The fireball lasted no more than 1 second and then completely extinguished itself. It completely enveloped the machine, his hands to half way up his forearms, and the front of his torso.<br><br>Injuries included deep second-degree burns to about 60% of the victim's left hand and 50% of his right hand and first degree burns to his neck, chin, cheeks, lips, and the end of his nose. The right cuff of his shirt was smoldering, his face felt a burning sensation, and he could hear the front of his hair sizzling. Nothing on the bench was burning. A few streaks of white powder were deposited on the bench top and on a few items lying on the bench. The workshop was filled with dense white smoke with very little odor. His fingers and the ends of his thumbs escaped relatively unscathed as they were protected from the heat flash. He was wearing glasses, which protected his eyes. He also lost half his moustache, one of his eyebrows, and about 1 inch off the front of his hair. His eyelashes were curled by the heat but not singed. The burns to his face were caused solely by radiant heat, as the fireball did not come that high.<br><br>Analysis:<br>A few days before the event, the man's son had ground the heads off about twelve aluminum pop rivets. Finely divided aluminum mixed with finely divided ferrous oxide (the black powder residue from grinding steel) produced a compound called thermite. Thermite is used to fill incendiary bombs and is used commercially to weld large steel items. It burns at approximately 3500C (6300F), hence the extensive burns from such a short exposure time.<br><br>Recommended actions:<br>The victim recommended that the manufacturer of the grinding wheel should include a very strong warning about the dangers posed by grinding steel after having ground aluminum. That warning should include precautions to thoroughly clean the grinding machine of all aluminum dust before grinding iron or steel.<br>@<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.hanford.gov/rl/?page=542&parent=506">www.hanford.gov/rl/?page=...parent=506</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Also, thermate-th3, in addition to some (~2%) sodium, has quite a bit barium nitrate ~23%, so samples showing sodium, should also reveal some barium oxides. Barium peroxide for one, which - can be used as a catalyst to start an aluminothermic reaction.<br><br>Oh and one thing used to 'debunk' Jones is saying that he doesn't mention finding any barium. Here's a quote from Jones, "I can be proven wrong, I accept that. But whoever does it will have to explain this molten metal to me, and <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>especially all the barium found</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. That's nasty stuff that's not going to be used in a building."<br><br>So, taken all together, some well placed thermate-th3, might well combine with all the aluminum/steel composite metal in the support columns, leting the reaction feed and grow using the very meterial it was melting and destroying. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=anotherdrew>anotherdrew</A> at: 9/25/06 3:37 am<br></i>
