by Qutb » Thu Apr 13, 2006 9:38 am
"Investigators"... New Kid asked whether any "investigator" of the Pentagon crash claims to be convinced flight 77 hit it. The thing is, there's no way of determining that based on the information that is available to us on the Internet. And that's the only information that is available to all those so-called investigators. For what it's worth, the real investigators have come to the conclusion that it was. That includes the forensic folks who identified the DNA of almost all the passengers.<br><br>The information warriors of the World Wide Web don't have access to the DNA, of course, just as they don't have access to a lot of other relevant information. That's just the way it is. That means that, for all we know, these people may have been in on the conspiracy and the DNA never really identified. And so on. We're free to theorize about all the missing (to us) pieces, and put them together any way we want. That theorizing is not going to enhance our knowledge in any way, though.<br><br>No evidence is available to us that can corroborate the claim that Hani piloted that plane. Asking "tell me who piloted the plane" as some here indignantly do, is just silly. None of us have any way of knowing. To deduce from that epistemological point that the plane was guided by GPS, or that it wans't flight 77, is just a meltdown of logic.<br><br>I get an "internal server error" when trying to open Cooperativeresearch right now, but there's one line of speculation I've found interesting. When the list of suspected hijackers was made public on September 13, Hani's name was not among them. Instead, there was a guy named "Mansear Khaled" or something like that. This was replaced with "Hani Hanjour" by the time the names were published in writing. Now I don't remember how close a similarity it was, but that name bore at least some resemblance to the name of a Pakistani Air Force fighter pilot who apparently lived with Atta & co in Hamburg for a while.<br><br>That would perhaps be a more likely pilot than Hani. Maybe Hani wasn't even on the plane, maybe his role was that of a decoy (like Moussaoui?). That would beg the question of what happened to him, of course. Gitmo? A dungeon in Romania?<br><br>Maybe, maybe. Or maybe he was on the plane, but not behind the stick. Just speculation, and as such doesn't enhance our knowledge one bit. My point is, I don't understand why people jump to the most radical and far-out speculations based only on gaps in the publically available evidence. This type of syllogism is particular to post-modern conspiratological reasoning: it can't be proven, with the evidence available on the Internet, that it didn't happen this way, therefore it probably happened this way.<br><br>I think it's nearly conclusively proven that flights 175, 11 and 93 were in fact hijacked. No one is going to convince me that those phone calls were all fake. That's tinfoil hat nuttery, in my opinion. There's also the cockpit voice recording from flight 93, recently played to the jury in the Moussaoui case for emotional effect (which is probably exactly the kind of use they had saved it for). <br><br>New Kid is probably of the opinion that it's hopelessly naive to think that those conniving bastards don't have the technology to fake the voice of someone's wife or son, to which my response will be "yawn".<br><br>As for flight 77, there was only two persons that did communicate with the outside world, and many don't consider Barbara Olsen or her husband reliable witnesses. However, flight attendant Renee May <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.faqs.org/docs/911/911Report-26.html" target="top">also</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> made a call, to her mother in Las Vegas:<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>At 9:12, Renee May called her mother, Nancy May, in Las Vegas. She said her flight was being hijacked by <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>six individuals</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> who had moved them to the<br>rear of the plane. She asked her mother to alert American Airlines. Nancy May and her husband promptly did so.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>Six individuals, that's interesting by the way. That's one more than the "official story" says there were. Like, say, a Pakistani Air Force fighter pilot? Or some other highly skilled pilot?<br><br><!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.911myths.com/html/barbara_olson.html" target="top">Here's</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> 911Myths' page on the flight 77 phone calls. <p></p><i></i>
