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Re: A New Pearl Harbor

Postby FourthBase » Fri Aug 25, 2006 6:51 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>I do, yes. If you had asked me a year ago, the answer would have been no.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :eek --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eek.gif ALT=":eek"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Where's the ignore button?<br>I don't want to read another post by Qutb. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby orz » Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:14 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>9-11 must out and that will stop them in their tracks.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> If you really believe that will EVER happen then They have already won... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: je

Postby darkbeforedawn » Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:08 pm

two years ago would you have believed that over 30% of the puglic would come to question the official version? Would you have believed that a branch of LE Monde would headline 9-11 truth? The unbelievable is happening. Millions of Americans have watched Loose Change (not that I think it is so great) and more are watching every day. So Orz WHO has "won"? Is it about winning? I am just sick to death of all the lies.... <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Jeff's view of CD as a wedge issue.

Postby isachar » Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:48 pm

That last pic screams bloody murder. A veritable waterfall of molten metal. Wow. That and the other pic Jones has called attention to of the firefighter atop a pile of smouldering twisted wreckage shortly after the collapse that shows an obviously melted piece of a vertical steel member approx 3/4 - 1' thick of melted steel. Together, those two pics are worth close to 3,000 felony murder convictions. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: New 911 Documentary

Postby isachar » Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:25 pm

This could be a welcome respite from all the 9/11 crockery being served up by the admin, the MSM and their amen apologist core (including Oliver Stone's piece of utter BS starring Nicholas Cage).<br><br>Hope to be able to see this at a screening near me.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.911pressfortruth.com/">www.911pressfortruth.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: New 911 Documentary

Postby orz » Sat Aug 26, 2006 6:46 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>two years ago would you have believed that over 30% of the puglic would come to question the official version?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br>I find it interesting how many people happily believe that most/all mainsream news is more or less total lies, but present a <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>survey</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> as irrefutable truth. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Anyway, i think the more 'mainstream' the 9/11 truth movement becomes, the less likely it is to ever have any real impact. Those in power can handle a large minority of the population getting sidetracked into neverending 'investigation' of 9/11, bickering and infighting, buying DVDs, and effortlessly discrediting the very issues they're trying to fight for in the eyes of those who aren't part of the conspiricy fan scene.<br><br>What percentage of the public think something was up with JFK assassination?! Where did that get us?<br><br>I'm sure the official version of 9/11 is all kinds of wrong/lies but really, when you come down to it, how about concentrating on the OBVIOUS, OVERT, UNASHAMEDLY ILLEGAL AND EVIL THINGS THE USA AND UK HAVE DONE AND ARE MERRILY DOING RIGHT NOW, THAT THEY AREN"T EVEN TRYING TO HIDE!?! <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :( --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/frown.gif ALT=":("><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: New 911 Documentary

Postby FourthBase » Sun Aug 27, 2006 3:09 am

You know, I was thinking...<br><br>What if the official theory posited that Al Qaeda sponsored terrorists had not only flown planes into the towers, but <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>also</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> planted massive bombs in parked vans beneath the ground floor of the towers, a la 1993?<br><br>In that case, it would <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>HARDLY</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> be "far-fetched" to theorize about bombs in the basement helping to trigger a collapse, right? Wouldn't it seem like a perfectly natural theory completely free of "conspiracy theory" stigmata?<br><br>This is the same kind of angle as pretending that the official theory posited that Al Qaeda sponsored terrorists not only hijacked the planes, but <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>also</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> hacked into some DoD or FAA computer system and ensured the plan's success by flying the planes remote control or GPS programming the planes' course into the WTC and Pentagon.<br><br>This is how I would recommend to 9/11-Truthers, use this angle (what if Al Qaeda did it?) to get past the political bullshit and focus on the logistics.<br><br>It would require abandoning for the moment any kind of "unorthodox" technology for bringing down the towers, i.e., lasers or EMP or whatever. And it would require that 9/11-Truthers utterly stop the "neat" and "fell-in-their-footprints" bullshit, and also really put the "controlled demolition" talk on hold (excepting WTC7). Because there's no fucking <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>way</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> the towers came down via <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>controlled</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> demolition, and there's no <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>point</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> in speculating about futuristic technology that we have absolutely no evidence for to back us up.<br><br>Think of ways that the towers collapse could have been facilitated via technology that could be blamed on the terrorists. In other words, if there's evidence of thermite reactions, posit that maybe the thermite was loaded by terrorists in baggage on board the planes or that a thermite reaction was accidentally triggered by the molten aluminum interacting with the WTC metals (which I still have not received a good answer for). If there's evidence of basement explosions, posit that the explosions were caused by the same people and materials as 1993.<br><br>The catch is that while positing that Al Qaeda is behind these anomalies lets the discussion fly under the radar, ultimately the fact that the authorities and their official theories <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>never</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> acknowledged the evidence and possibilities of remote control or additional WTC explosives and actually attempted to suppress them...well, that can only mean that it was an inside job. Right?<br><br>Or does anyone think that the government might co-opt that angle and start suddenly acknowledging the basement explosions etc...so long as Al Qaeda is blamed for them?<br><br>I can't figure it out.<br>But there's got to be <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>something</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> useful in that angle.<br><br>edit: You know, on second thought...About the thermite:<br>Is one of the scenarios that whoever was in the building during the power down planted thermite? How much would they have needed to plant and where? Would they have known where the planes would hit, or would they have been covering their bases?<br><br>edit2: I'm interested in what damage the 1993 bombing caused. I remember reading something that said the damage was far more extensive than publicly perceived, and that the tower's structural integrity had been put in jeopardy. Can't find that now by googling, and would appreciate any help.<br><br>edit3: I'll post whatever I can find on the '93 damage:<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.fdnewyork.com/wtc.asp">www.fdnewyork.com/wtc.asp</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The blast was centered on the B2 level. It was so intense that it caused the collapse of the steel reinforced concrete floor to the floor below (B3 level), which in turn caused more collapses. Tons of debris were piled onto the B6 level floor. A steel fire door that opens to the B2 level from a stairway from the B1 level was blown off it's hinges and embedded into a wall 35 feet away.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://webpages.shepherd.edu/RARMST01/Attack1%20Info.htm">webpages.shepherd.edu/RAR...20Info.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>After assessment of the explosive damage to the complex, it was very clear that the structural integrity of World Trade Center Tower Number One was at risk. It also appeared that the Vista Hotel would probably collapse within days if structural steel support was not in place as soon as possible. However, structural problems were not the only safety hazard.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=fourthbase>FourthBase</A> at: 8/27/06 2:08 pm<br></i>
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Re: New 911 Documentary

Postby Seamus OBlimey » Sun Aug 27, 2006 6:49 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Anyone have the link for the C-Span video?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I've just posted a link to part 1 on the video links thread, the rest is easy enough to find from there. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: How did the thermate get there?

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sun Aug 27, 2006 4:39 pm

FourthBase said-<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>In other words, if there's evidence of thermite reactions, posit that maybe the thermite was loaded by terrorists in baggage on board the planes or that a thermite reaction was accidentally triggered by the molten aluminum interacting with the WTC metals (which I still have not received a good answer for).<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>FB, has it not sunk in for you and many others that there was a massive long-term upgrade of the elevator systems in the towers for months before 9/11? <br><br>Jeff posted it here at RI and Elevator World magazine carried a feature article on the technology of the upgrade which was news in that industry because the height of the towers required proprietary technology.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.elevator-world.com/magazine/pdf/0103-002.pdf">www.elevator-world.com/ma...03-002.pdf</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>(Somebody tell John McCain, Popular Mechanics, and Richard Ben Veniste.)<br><br>There is your 'opportunity' in the means-motive-opportunity formula for determining whodunnit and how.<br><br>So Jeff, FB, and others. Still think CD is a waste of energy in exposing the excuse for the Nazi takeover? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: elevator upgrade

Postby darkbeforedawn » Sun Aug 27, 2006 4:48 pm

Hey Hugh--when I click on that "page cannot be found" If it is not too much trouble could you cut and paste? Thanks <p></p><i></i>
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Re: elevator upgrade

Postby stoneonstone » Sun Aug 27, 2006 5:17 pm

Never thought about it, but checking the background of the ACE Elevator Co. might be intriguing....<br><br><br>[cut and paste]<br> <br>Excerpt from Elevator World:Wednesday – September 12, 2001 – 2:30 P.M.<br><br>ACE Elevator<br><br>We have received a confirmed report from ACE Elevator that all ACE Elevator employees are accounted for and safe. ACE Elevator Co. was providing elevator maintenance for the WTC. They were in the middle of a modernization and had been working out of an office located on the 35th floor in the South Tower.<br><br>-- (WLocker@aol.com), September 12, 2001. <br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: How did the thermate get there?

Postby FourthBase » Sun Aug 27, 2006 5:26 pm

I never said CD (or any demolition) theory was a "waste of energy". I said that it should be further researched and discussed. There's not enough info to make any conclusions, IMO. And yet it's being paraded as Conspiracy Theory Numero Uno. There are far more compelling and conclusive aspects of 9/11 that should come first for now.<br><br>The elevator thing is very interesting.<br>I vaguely remember Jeff's post on it.<br>(Jeff, you need to make a Guide to 9/11 Part 2)<br><br>That's three opportunites, if I'm counting right:<br>- Elevator maintenance<br>- Sprinkler maintenance (remember Rocky Hammad?)<br>- Power down on 9/8 and 9/9<br><br>I'd still like to have an idea of how much thermite would have to be placed and where. Would it be all over the building? Or concentrated at the future impact zones?<br><br>p.s., I'm desperate for people here to think about the '93 bombing/Al Qaeda-CD angle. I think there's serious potential in it as a theory for us and a tactic in communicating to undecideds. I want to discuss that angle more, but I'd rather not start yet another new thread. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Elevator upgrades & ACE....

Postby stoneonstone » Sun Aug 27, 2006 5:28 pm

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Re: elevator upgrade

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Sun Aug 27, 2006 5:33 pm

404-not found?<br><br>Hell, it was there a few weeks ago and has been forever.<br><br>Somebody's been doing some clean-up work in preperation for the new Popular Mechanics disinfo project, I suspect.<br><br>FB-Sorry, I didn't mean to mischaracterize your view of CD. <br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The elevator job is the key to 9/11 along with the war games.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: elevator upgrade

Postby FourthBase » Sun Aug 27, 2006 5:40 pm

It <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>looks</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> like it could be a key, Hugh, absolutely.<br>But until there's better evidence for it being suspicious...<br>Then it's just an eye-brow-raiser. Not a march-leader.<br><br>Now if ACE turns out to have spooky connections...<br>Then we'd be getting somewhere with that.<br><br>Until then, the war games etc. belong at the head of the march.<br>That's how I see it anyway. <p></p><i></i>
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