Great New Read From A Military Officer On Duty On 9/11

by **OnoI812** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:09 pm

Dbeach , Jones was saying today they independently found other military roll records and and photos of Chavez with his unit while vetting his story yesterday... but anyway... looks like Jones is already onto some fresh meat... Former Governor Jesse Ventura Questions Official 9/11 Story Goes further than ever before, cites Northwoods, Gulf of Tonkin, NORAD stand down, staged war provocations <img src="http://jonesreport.com/images/260906_ventura_poster2.jpg"/> Paul Joseph Watson & Alex Jones/Prison Planet.com | September 26 2006 <a href="http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/260906_ventura.html">www.jonesreport.com/articles/260906_ventura.html</a> Former Minnesota Governor, actor and wrestling star Jesse Ventura has publicly questioned the official version of events behind 9/11 and gone further than ever before in citing Operation Northwoods and the Gulf of Tonkin as examples of how the government has planned and carried out staged war provocations in the past. Ventura has temporarily left his Baja Mexico surfing lifestyle to lend support to Texas gubernatorial candidate Kinky Friedman. At a press conference yesterday Ventura said that the Republicans and Democrats were "destroying our country" and its political process. Sporting a beard and dreadlocks, the former Vietnam veteran also criticized the Iraq war. Alex Jones and his film crew were able to set up a last minute interview with Ventura at a San Antonio restaurant after his appearance before a packed house at UTSA. Ventura first stated that he had many unanswered questions about 9/11. The former Governor cited Operation Northwoods, a 1963 Joint Chiefs of Staff plan to stage terror attacks and kill American citizens to start a war with Cuba, as an example of how the U.S. government wanted to kill its own people and blame it on foreign enemies to justify war. Ventura found it painful, having dutifully served himself, that elements within the government would go to such barbaric and deceitful lengths to con its own populace into supporting militarism. Ventura then raised the issue of the Gulf of Tonkin, citing recently released declassified information confirming that American ships were never attacked and the incident was manufactured in order to provide the entree to the Vietnam war. This was particularly unpalatable for Ventura because he joined as a Navy Seal on September 11 1969, fought in Vietnam and lost many friends there. Ventura asked that if the U.S. government were prepared to stage such a gargantuan historical event in terms of its significance in leading a nation to war then, why they would they refrain from doing so again today? Ventura also highlighted 9/11 itself in contrasting the lax response of NORAD air defense to the four commercial airliners on 9/11 compared with the immediate interception of golfer Payne Stewart's Lear Jet in October 1999. Ventura said that the argument that Americans should give up liberty in exchange for security in the war on terror was horrible and that government should never be trusted. He encouraged Americans to be skeptical of anything the government claims in light of their past duplicity. Ventura seemed visibly upset during the interview, calling the American public apathetic, seemingly wanting to say more, and was very cynical that any real investigation would take place having already witnessed the 9/11 Commission's whitewash. Ventura had previously aired his skepticism of the official version of events on Jay Leno and elaborated on a 2004 radio show but the former Governor went further than ever before during this interview. Clips of the interview will be posted tonight and tomorrow for free. Watch this space. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=onoi812>OnoI812</A> at: 9/26/06 4:11 pm

by **darkbeforedawn** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:50 pm

I wonder if he is too much of a "hippy" to rock any boats? Wish someone who is still gov. somewhere had enough guts to say this stuff...

by **dugoboy** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 7:50 pm

<a href="http://prisonplanet.com/articles/September2006/260906_b_Clarifies.htm" target="top">Lauro Chavez Clarifies Points For His Critics</a> Prisonplanet | September 26 2006 Lauro Chavez sent us an email today clarifying some issues that have been raised since he appeared on the Alex Jones show on Monday: Hey Kevin, Nila Sagadevan spoke to me early today and asked if I could lay to rest some false claims being made against me. He asked if I bullet-ize them, if you’d post them on your site – under my article I presume. I’m not sure, but just contact him if you have any questions. Thanks a lot Kevin, and tell Alex that it was a pleasure to be on his show again. Let me know if I can be of any further help. Things people are questioning: My letter was in no way intended to be my “Whistle blowing” statement. - First let me start with telling everyone, that this letter, was a rant to the chief editor of the Cincinnati Post, Mr. Robert White. I sent it to him, after reading an article posted there called “1 in 3 believes in 911 conspiracy”. To which they proceed to debunk us good American people who know for a fact something about 911 does not add up. Mr. White never responded to my email. Again, it was a rant that included both fact from my time in the Army, facts I have learned from my extensive research on this topic, and my opinions. I’ve been asked to sign an affidavit, and I will, once I review it with my attorney. My DD214 – not signed on block 22 - Honestly I don’t have an answer for this, but there are many different versions of the 214 – and if you google image search for that, you’ll see what I mean. Secondly, I think that his typed signature was considered “signed”. It is my official 214. Couldn’t find records of him ever being at CENTCOM. - Easy – the issue here is that the military will not release personnel information without federal authority. Even then it’s difficult to get. So, I would expect you couldn’t find any military public records on me. If you do, let me know so I can sue them. Stating that the SCIF was an underground bunker - I used the best dumbed down terms I could to describe this to Mr. White. So, I said “basically an underground bunker”. Read carefully people, the word “basically” is there. The SCIF, the main SCIF at CENTCOM is not underground. It is just lower than ground level and is fortified. You also have to have had a TopSecret clearance to get access. Not having an Afghan Service Ribbon listed on my 214 – NOTE: I don’t have a Combat action Badge either. - Reason for this, is that upon my return from Afghanistan , I opted for a chapter 13 discharge. Which is an early release from service for higher education. It states that a person with an acceptance letter from an accredited university can be released from active duty up to 6 months prior than the original ETS (End Term of Service). So, I gave up the medals for an early release from the service. I’m entitled to them, and if I wanted them, all I have to do is send a letter to the Army Personnel office to update my 214 and send me the medals. Honestly I don’t care – it’s just a piece of plastic. How did I know Cheney was in charge of NORAD, prior to it becoming public? - Easy, in the Army and whole of the DoD there is a thing called chain of command. Every solider is supposed to be aware of who his superiors are. When Cheney was announced to be taking over NORAD, the CoC was updated and passed out to all of us. This, I’m sure, was prior to the public release of this information. There were many military friends of mine, at the time, that questioned this action. Why don’t I remember the names of the Air Force liaison that verbally confirmed there was an order to stand down on the scrambling of jets to intercept the hijacked planes? - Well, it’s been like over 5 years, I don’t remember everyone – do you remember who you went to high school with? Heck, I have a hard time remembering names of people when I meet them. There were over 2,500 military personnel at CENTCOM during my time there. We were given verbal confirmation by this Colonel, that NORAD received stand-down orders. Meaning, planes were to stand-down on intercepting the hijacked planes. At the time, I think we were just glad we had an answer at all. Usually, you don’t get much information, just someone shrugging their shoulders. How is it that a “mere” sergeant can associate with these high ranking people. - I love this one ;o) Well, CENTCOM “is a place to send old colonels to die” as they say. It’s a very lush, comfy, command for people to play out the rest of their time before they get to retire. Lots and lots of generals, colonels, admirals, etc are stationed at CENTCOM. That place was crawling with rank – I was one of only 6 sergeants in the whole command. Yes, we had some higher enlisted people, SFC, SSG, Chiefs, and Master Chiefs, but E5 and below were few and far between. To get stationed at CENTCOM was a privilege in the Army – that was like one of the best places to get sent. An Air Force Base in Florida , on the coast, are you kidding me – who wouldn’t want to go there. The on base housing is right on the beach. I had to re-enlist to get that assignment. I came from FT Hood Texas , which was my prior duty station. I re-enlisted to get MacDill. Where was the letter posted in the Cincinnati Post? - Well, it was never posted to my knowledge. I sent Mr. White that letter and he never sent me a thank you, and F-You, or anything. I never got a response at all. So, to my knowledge it’s not posted. I bet he wished he posted it now. doesnt USCENTCOM only participates in exercises in the Middle East? - This is simply not true. Their main focus is undoubtedly the Middle East , however, they support conus (Country Side) exercises all the time. Honestly, again this comes back to the amount of people at the command. There were many people who had never even been in the SCIF – there are tons of people who stay in their office and never leave except to go to the restroom or leave for the day. Just because someone says that, means they didn’t know what all the different directorates did. CENTCOM has many departments, from Psychological Operations, Military Intelligence, including Linguists, and many, many Liaisons to other DoD Commands. Lauro "LJ" Chavez ___________________________________________ "BushCo aren't incompetent...they are Complicit!" -Me "Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act" -George Orwell "When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it - always." -Mahatma GandhiEdited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dugoboy@rigorousintuition>dugoboy</A> <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://www.geocities.com/orcthrasher/files/images/Qn38113.gif" BORDER=0> at: 9/26/06 5:58 pm

by **dbeach** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 9:14 pm

<a href="http://www.911blogger.com/node/3178#comment">www.911blogger.com/node/3178#comment</a> Chavez says he received a Chapter 13 to attend college or school.. That is called an early out to attend college Chapter 13 is for "Unsatisfactory Performance" "The form that SGT Chavez posted is the DD214 Form 1, also known as the "short form". There are 7 parts of the 214, with each part going to a different agency (VA, Archives, etc). The "short forms" do not have the bottom portion of the 214 that includes the discharge information. The DD214 Form 4, aka "long form" will contain the information on his discharge. I'd be interested to see the long form. A Chapter 13 discharge is not to attend school. A chapter 13 is "unsatisfactory performance". Basically a failure to meet military standards, but not doing anything so bad as to warrant a more severe action. Without that official's signature the 214 is not an official document. So if SGT Alvarez reads this I highly recommend he contacts McDill AFB and try and have his 214 corrected." <a href="http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:4FJAYSjZLukJ:www.objector.org/helpingout/Helpingoutchapters/13_Unsat_Perf.pdf+Chapter+13+military+discharge&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1">72.14.207.104/search?q=ca...=clnk&cd=1</a> "Chapter 13 - Unsatisfactory Performance. A servicemember may be talented and intelligent, but performing poorly because he orshe can not adapt to military life. Each Service has its own guidelines for factors thatconstitute unsatisfactory performance, including:Ω Failure to perform assigned duties properly.Ω A progressively downward trend in performance ratings.Ω Failure to demonstrate leadership potential" "My DD214 – not signed on block 22 - Honestly I don’t have an answer for this, but there are many different versions of the 214 – and if you google image search for that, you’ll see what I mean. Secondly, I think that his typed signature was considered “signed”. It is my official 214. " dbeach:I have Never in 35 yrs seen an unsigned by an officer or NCOIC DD-214 Its a hugely important document. "Not having an Afghan Service Ribbon listed on my 214 – NOTE: I don’t have a Combat action Badge either. - Reason for this, is that upon my return from Afghanistan , I opted for a chapter 13 discharge. Which is an early release from service for higher education. It states that a person with an acceptance letter from an accredited university can be released from active duty up to 6 months prior than the original ETS (End Term of Service). So, I gave up the medals for an early release from the service. I’m entitled to them, and if I wanted them, all I have to do is send a letter to the Army Personnel office to update my 214 and send me the medals. Honestly I don’t care – it’s just a piece of plastic." dbeach:However Chavez has waited over 4 yrs to get his discharge amended to show foreign service.. I am offended by his remarks about the value of medals.Many frauds refer to combat medals as unimportant or of no value. and comabat Vets recognize their value as more than plastic.. PS they are not made of plastic

by **OnoI812** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:15 pm

Thanks for the clarifications D

by **sln70** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:17 pm

Lauro Chavez is male. A guy. He's got cojones. Now, I'm new here, but I'm wondering what type of community this is if many of you are ready to brush someone off simply because you feel that his writing style is "grade five"-esque. The guy was non-comm in the military, for goodness sakes.

by **sln70** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:24 pm

hello again. My bad. Like I said, I'm new. I didn't see that there were four other pages in this story until .. well until it was too late. ignore my previous illumination on the gender of Chavez. and BTW - it *is* suspicious that the name is Chavez, being that if this is disinfo it would kinda kill two birds with one stone.

by **dugoboy** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:32 pm

holy crap what did jesse ventura do to himself?? <img src="http://www.jonesreport.com/images/260906jesse.jpg" style="border:0;"/> "Sporting a beard and dreadlocks, the former Vietnam veteran also criticized the Iraq war." ___________________________________________ "BushCo aren't incompetent...they are Complicit!" -Me "Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act" -George Orwell "When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall. Think of it - always." -Mahatma GandhiEdited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=dugoboy@rigorousintuition>dugoboy</A> <IMG HEIGHT=10 WIDTH=10 SRC="http://www.geocities.com/orcthrasher/files/images/Qn38113.gif" BORDER=0> at: 9/26/06 8:33 pm

by **dbeach** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 10:41 pm

I think Chavez Chavez and Jessi V chip area all candy distractions. <a href="http://www.911blogger.com/node/3195">www.911blogger.com/node/3195</a> a blogger listed this at 911 blogger.com "Wow! That Lauro guy has a lot of amazing connections... And he's not just one, he's ten whistleblowers in one person! One friend who is the Colonel boss of the Army Corps of Engineers. One acquaintance who is in the Pentagon and with whom he talks over a secure line. One close friend is into demolitions. He himself is a computer and communications expert. He's the only Sergeant working in the Central Command (everybody else is higher rank). He is a very close personal servant to a general, fixing+maintaining that guy's computers, in office as well as at home. He reads a page of a secret document detailing the 9/11 wargames. He is deployed into Afghanistan only 2 weeks later, flown into Kabul airport in under fire. He works there to run the communication systems of the psy op specialists. He personally does shifts guarding the big oil pipeline there. He personally has experience with explosives. He has personally seen secret developments in a military research lab re. stealth flying drones. He's seen a military exercise using holographic technology to display a giant image over the sky of Afghanistan. His DD214 didn't even need a signature -- that's how important he was. Impressive!""

by **greencrow0** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 11:21 pm

so...where are all the mea culpas from those who cried "fake?" gc

by **OnoI812** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 6:24 am

Dbeach, did you read the post script from the Cathy who did the interview in your 911blogger link? A bit of a PS Thanks, GeorgeWashington, for your vote of confidence. I took a risk. The kid *seemed* real. I'm pretty good at figuring out the fakers. One thing that made me think he very well could be telling the truth is that he didn't try to push anything on me. I tested him on a couple of areas, wanting to see if he was going to try to sway me to believing something I did not already... and he didn't do it. Yeah, like, ya know, I did eliminate a lot of those. I left a lot in because, well, it seemed dis-ingenuine to play with someone's normal way of speaking. Plus... Honestly? The guy is sharp, but he's not high brow. I wanted to give the reader a feel for the person he appears to be... Not at all like the other intell guys I have known (who are usually very well-spoken). I made a judgment call on him. He also said more personal things... which I kept off the record, but they were things that I have never known a gvmt employee say before (and I know a lot of them, living in the DC area). My track record is fairly good. I have only been fooled once by someone... but that was a long time ago. My money's on the kid being legit. But like anything, time will tell. Submitted by Cathy Garger  -------------------- Not sure what that says about 9/11blogger's reputation? Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=onoi812>OnoI812</A> at: 9/27/06 4:28 am

by **dbeach** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:36 am

Ono Yes read the whole sorry mess still seems llike mind flowers to me PSS he is no longer a government employee IF indeed he isworking in private sector..then again MAYBE he isa govtmny employee for the alpphabet squads too many errors on that DD-214 which is the MOST important document of ANY Vet. How much slack ya wanna cut this guy??? BTW anybody ever see the DD-214 of a certain middle aged dude from Crawford TX? Its all part of Chavez month in la la land. next will be governors or former governors month then there is ALWAYS retired generals month???

by **greencrow0** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:58 am

The closest thing to the Lauro Chavez story is the Jessie McBeth story...both young 'soldiers' caught over their heads and learning stuff they didn't want to know... both having suspect military records.... Maybe this IS a psy-ops...afte all...whatever DID happen to Jessie McBeth...never proved or disproved. The idea is a limited hang out by 'nobodies' to take the heat off the higher up somebodies. This is just an idea to put into the mix. gc

by **dbeach** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 10:03 am

"The idea is a limited hang out by 'nobodies' to take the heat off the higher up somebodies." meanwhile the bushies are threatening Syria and ramming yet more police state legislation through CONgress

by **dbeach** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 8:35 pm

sorry to beat on this again it would appear that the DD-214 has been manipulated the pixels were superimposed hope that is the correct assessment..it looks forged I have found a few wanna be's and frauds before and he sure looks wanna and fraud.. <a href="http://www.911blogger.com/node/3221#comment">www.911blogger.com/node/3221#comment</a> <a href="http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=64837">forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=64837</a> "I'm not sure if anyone else caught this, but ComfortablyNumb, on the British 9/11 Truth forums, discovered evidence of crude doctoring of Chavez's discharge document posted on InfoWars: <a href="http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/LChavez_214.pdf">www.infowars.com/articles...ez_214.pdf</a> The times in section 14 are tampered with: <a href="http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/vi...?p=26433#26433">www.nineeleven.co.uk/boar...6433#26433</a> I've saved a copy of the PDF from the InfoWars site, in case they decide to correct it. I'm not sure I'd be ready to jump all over tampering just yet. It seems plain to me that it was digitally manipulated post-scan. In the crudest manner possible. Further, the pixel pattern of the "4" in "4 YRS" is identical to the pixel pattern of the "4" in "74B20". Looks like that character was copy-and-pasted too. Yeah, you can see the edge of the "B", too. The "7" in "7 MOS" was taken from "74B20" as well. "

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