hijacker linked to U.S. defense contractor

[operator kos]

A friend and I uncovered this a while ago, but I don't know if it's been made known to folks on this forum...

We all know by now that many of the alleged hijackers made no efforts to conceal their identities or activities as they moved about the country before 9/11, even though a number of them were already on terrorist watch lists, or were being closely monitored by programs like Able Danger. This point is really hammered home by a document*1 from the Zacharias Moussaoui trial where there is a listing of real name usages by various hijackers. Among these, which I find quite hilarious, is the fact that Atta's e-mail address was mohamedatta@hotmail.com. Ziad Jarrah likewise used his real name, ziadjarrah@ab.com. This latter e-mail address raises further curious questions: ab.com is the domain for Rockwell Automation, a major U.S. defense contractor. web.archive.org*2 confirms that ab.com has been Rockwell Automation's web domain since at least 1996. You can't just sign up for an address at ab.com like you can with hotmail or yahoo... they only give them out to employees.

*1 http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution/OG00013.pdf
*2 http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://ab.com

[Jeff]

Thanks for posting that, I don't think I'd ever seen that before.

Also, welcome to the board!

[sunny]

Yes indeed, welcome to the board!

Would you consider moving this thread to the front page, in "General Discussion"? More people will see it that way.

[Jeff]

I think instead I'll post a link to it up there, to bring attention down here. It would be nice to see more activity in the subject forums.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

You can't just sign up for an address at ab.com like you can with hotmail or yahoo... they only give them out to employees.

Thanks for this and welcome to the board here in the almost untrod forum zone.

There's no evidence of any hijackers on those planes and it seems that the names we've been given were overtly running around in US military-spook culture. Just like Oswald.

Since it would be expected that citizen investigators would uncover these alleged hijacker's tracks in the alphabet agency garden as they did in the JFK shooting, perhaps this time these findings are meant to reinforce suspicion of these people and have it reinforce them as atleast being hijackers instead of the planes being commandeered remotely or by flight software.

[Col. Quisp]

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[compared2what?]

Thank you and welcome. That's very, very interesting.

[Lord Balto]

The whole problem with the FBI's instant identification of the hijackers is the same problem with their instant identification of Oswald. The feds just aren't that good. They were either in on it or someone sent them the clues they needed.

[Spoonerian]

...perhaps this time these findings are meant to reinforce suspicion of these people and have it reinforce them as atleast being hijackers instead of the planes being commandeered remotely or by flight software.

But that's like saying that the findings that Oswald was a spook were meant to reinforce that there was a shooter with a rifle in the TBD. I wonder about how important that is really.

We don't know for sure whether or not there was a shooter in the TBD, nor whether Atta and the gang actually hijacked the planes.

Whether Oswald actually fired shots or was in the coke room isn't really too important. Whether Atta actually steered the plane into the tower or was remote controlled in, isn't that important either.

But you bring up an interesting question that I don't find too much discussion about: To what extent and for what reasons do the guys who plan these things say, "Ok, in this next scene, we'll use actors from central casting and give them prominent billings and any 2-bit conspiracy-cook with a google machine will be able to easily tie them to the smelliest corners of military intelligence?

[Lord Balto]

If these are the same guys who overthrow foreign governments and assassinate foreign heads of state, as they appear to be, I'd expect them to use the same tactics and methods within the US as they use outside of it. That's just who they are and how they act and think. I doubt very much that they had any kind of major personality change when they went to work domestically. The only real addition would be to make really sure that there was someone convenient to blame: a lone nut, some brown skinned terrorists, a racist southerner. And that would have been bolted onto the operation, not developed as some kind of integral part of the plot. You need to look at the whole picture.