we're responsible if we preach 9/11 truth above other things

[pixeltarian]

If the governments of the US and England perpetrated the events of 9/11 (and the 7/7 bombings), the biggest tragedy is that the many people will hold the preaching of injustice regarding these events in the highest regard. This means that the believer of such conspiracies (true or not) have been given the impossible job of convincing the majority to believe and take action against something so flamboyant and severe, that the feasibility becomes less viable every day that the masses remain unconvinced. The pursuit of justice in the matter of these most tragic events will call out the most passionate and zealous of all to attempt to educate people on this truth. This could be an intentional neutralization of threats on the part of the government, effectively erasing all injustice within the system past, present and future. This is because the people that comprise the biggest threats to government are fighting an event that has eclipsed all past, present and future injustice (save another horrendous event). The most passionate opposer has effectively become a slave to a government mandate to fight something impossible to win against within his/her current paradigm.

The task of convincing people that their own government has killed many of their own people for selfish gain is rejected by the common ethos that permeates the US. If we are to convince anyone of anything we should fight the smallest battle we can think of. If people cannot motivated to take action against the smallest (ergo, the most believable and acceptable) infraction, how would it be feasible to convince someone to take action against such a sinister and cataclysmic event?

Right now the most important thing to do is reverse small scale injustices within our system. Thought I do not think it will be successful because the most zealous and unyielding are wasting time fighting the war unsuccessfully, and not the battles which will enlighten the common man in order to amass a formidable army. Then perhaps we will be ready to take on something large scale.

[stickdog99]

micromanifesto

[pixeltarian]

micromanifesto

yeah. looks like it's just me and you though...

[Joe Hillshoist]

pixeltarian, good thoughts, I agree with you completely.

Especially this:

The most passionate opposer has effectively become a slave to a government mandate to fight something impossible to win against within his/her current paradigm.

[Arabesque]

I disagree, with some reservation.

If you examine virtually any aspect of this Bush administration, the degree of criminality is unprecedented. I believe in a big picture approach, so in this sense I would agree with what you are saying, but the fact is that the Iraq War was a war of aggression and sold to the public with disinformation.

The anthrax attacks are in the news, and lo and behold who did they blame? Al Qaeda? Iraq? None of these people have the capability to even make anthrax. The anthrax came from U.S. labs and this is now admitted. They are attempting (without much credibility) to blame an insider for the attacks. It isn't fooling those of us who are critical.

The 9/11 wars (the constant refrain: "remember 9/11") have led to many deaths and according to some estimates 1 million dead civilians. It is not a stretch to look at crimes such as these and then look back at the justification for all if it: 9/11.

You don't spread "democracy" with a gun. Wars of aggression are for imperialistic goals. If regime change was all that was necessary in Iraq, why are we still there? Why are we occupying this country? Why are bases being built near the oil routes? Why did Dick Cheney discuss oil routes in Iraq before 9/11 in secret and illegal meetings? Why are so many members of PNAC and the Bush administration tied to the oil industry?

Looking at the big picture can only give you the answers you are looking for. Any kind of limited discussion will not get you to the full truth.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

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Looking at the big picture can only give you the answers you are looking for. Any kind of limited discussion will not get you to the full truth.

You need to provide to people both a Big Picture framework and a clear understanding of the nuanced details.

For instance, something like JFK or 9/11 is not carried out by some monolithic entity called "the government." An atmosphere is created that prepares all involved to exploit whatever happens 'just in case' something happens. More of a "who will rid me of this priest"-dynamic that finally gets put into play during a likely opportunity, like during a live-fly NORAD military excercise for multiple hijacked planes crashed into buildings.
Then a few key people can be new on the job that day along with some other security stripping details and - tada! - an internal coup that nobody can admit to outloud.

What guarantees the commission of the crime is an enforced mainstream media psyops network that will not tell the public anything that might interfere with military recruiting or social cohesion around the government and its corporate partners.

So the same cover-up system that worked for WTC '93, OKCity, and TWA800 was there acting as a get-away car for whoever deigned to plan and execute 9/11.

Thus the perps, probably a rogue cabal of alphabet agency and military contractor uber-elites, knew they could blow up those three WTC buildings to maximize the theater while destroying SEC records and the cover-up system would do what it does, control the investigation and the reporting, just like the murders of JFK, MLK, and RFK.

That CIA media umbrella is a CRITICAL part of the crime and so critical to the public's understanding how such things can be done without NPR or MSNBC telling them about it.