cars were exploding for no reason at WTC on 9/11

by **maggrwaggr** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 10:47 pm

I just found this posted on DU. It's very interesting. Cars and trucks were exploding for no apparent reason 10 blocks away from the towers about the time the towers fell. FIRE PATROLMAN PAUL CURRAN At that time I went back to the north tower again, and they were stretching a line. A lot of car fires erupted. All of a sudden cars were blowing up everywhere. I went back and I helped a guy stretch a line. The guy was all by himself. I helped him stretch a line and started putting water on the car fires. I remember distinctly walking past 118 Truck. 118 Truck was parked right on West Street north of Vesey ********************************************* EMT FREDDY BURGOS When the first building came down, after the dust lifted from that one, in front of me, the other ambulances, most of them not Fire Department, private or some other ambulances, burning. FIREFIGHTER RICHARD CARLETTI Basically they wanted engines was booster tanks to come down and extinguish the car fires then going. FIREFIGHTER RONALD CIFU Even after the collapse when we were starting to relay water to the car fires. many of the firemen reported this. Lots of the cars and fire engines and ambulances parked along West HW and Vesey and Liberty exploded. <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/pages/nyregion/nyregionspecial3">www.nytimes.com/pages/nyr...onspecial3</a> / WORLD TRADE CENTER TASK FORCE INTERVIEW EMT PATRICIA ONDROVIC File No. 9 1 10048 <a href="http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/9110048.PDF">graphics8.nytimes.com/pac...110048.PDF</a> En route to the alarm, I saw the two towers burning. We parked in the middle of Vesey Street between West and the West Side Highway. My partner and I grabbed our stretcher, went to put it in the back of our vehicle, and at that time, I think it was the lobby of the building behind us blew out. Everybody started running, I didn't see him again that day. He got thrown one way, I got thrown the other way. Stuffs blowing up. So I ran back out and I started running west again on Vesey. At that point, there was a car on the corner of the West Side Highway. As I was running up Vesey, the first car blew up on me on the corner of Vessey and the West Side Highway. That set my turnout coat on fire, that set my hair on fire. I kept running. I ended up running through this park, and I couldn't even see where I was running anymore. I kept running North through North Park. As I was running up here, two or three more cars exploded on me. They weren't near any buildings at that point, they were just parked on the street. Stuff is still blowing up behind me, as I'm running. I can hear stuff exploding. I could hear rumbling, the street under me was moving like I was in an earthquake. (this was obviously when WTC2 fell). I've been in those, so I know what they feel like. It felt like an earthquake. There was no where safe to go. As I was running north in this park, and then I could start seeing again a little bit, and I just kept looking in the sky. And firemen's fireproof coats-like this ladies and socks caught fire. RONALD COYNE EMT WTC2 MY SAFETY COAT WAS ALREADY ON FIRE. MY SOCKS WERE ON FIRE I was just covered with burns and bruises and I could hardly breathe. ******** What could have caused such things? Any ideas? HEre are some photos: <a href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v256/covalentbd/Terrorist41.jpg">img.photobucket.com/album...rist41.jpg</a> <a href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v256/covalentbd/Terrorist19.jpg">img.photobucket.com/album...rist19.jpg</a> <a href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v256/covalentbd/image012.jpg">img.photobucket.com/album...age012.jpg</a> <a href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v256/covalentbd/Terrorist17.jpg">img.photobucket.com/album...rist17.jpg</a>

by **robertdreed** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:51 pm

"What could have caused such things? Any ideas?" Car bombs, is one guess. And, being in the same vicinity, that could explain either the various witness reports of "explosions" from the WTC- or they could have worked to cover for the occurence of explosions from within the buildings. Whichever it was, it does point toward the idea that the 9-11 attacks were exceeedingly well-planned and executed. I think it was avant-garde composer Karlheinz Stockhausen who compared the attacks to an artistic masterpiece. Not to make too much of that statement, since the same notion crossed my mind at the time, as well...as loathsome and ghastly as those acts were, the minds behind them crafted them very skillfully indeed. Jacques Verges entitled one of his books with the French phrase that translates to "The Beauty Of Crime."

by **banned** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:59 pm

...they may have generated a lot of heat, and that caused the gas in the cars to explode. There was also jet fuel though I've read that should have burned off. I've also read there was diesel fuel stored there for the emergency services office. I don't know if it's also possible that the shockwave alone from that many powerful explosions couldn't ignite gasoline. Wikipedia in an article mostly impenetrable to me states in its article "Explosive Material": "An explosion may occur under two general conditions: the first, unconfined, as in the open air where the pressure (atmospheric) is constant; the second, confined, as in a closed chamber where the volume is constant. The same amount of heat energy is liberated in each case, but in the unconfined explosion, a certain amount is used as work energy in pushing back the surrounding air, and therefore is lost as heat. In a confined explosion, where the explosive volume is small (such as occurs in the powder chamber of a firearm), practically all the heat of explosion is conserved as useful energy." The WTC implosions were huge and unconfined so must have released huge amounts of heat; I have never believed the fires in the "Pile" were just the fires from the floors hit by the jet fuel; in fact some of those were just about out when the towers went down, weren't they? Depending on the material used, gases released by the explosion may have mixed with gasoline and become explosive. I witnessed a couple of controlled demos in Cleveland and the closest anyone was allowed to be was on top of a building on the other side of Public Square and the observers were engulfed in a huge cloud of dust that nearly ruined my boyfriend's camera--he just got it under his coat in time. I checked a few sites for companies that do CDs (rather than 9/11 sites which are usually arguing a viewpoint) and didn't find anything pertinent. Of course, the WTC may not have been done like a commercial CD, so the kind of explosives used may not have been the same. The 9/11 people *wanted* mass casualties. They also wanted to obscure that it was CD (hence some people think the planes were just used to cover for/explain the CD). Is it also possible that there were car bombs set to go off around the WTC perimeter when the towers went down to add to the casualties and terror? Note: this is coming from someone who thinks electricity is magic. No technical knowledge WHATSOEVER. We need some chemists or engineers here!

by **robertdreed** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:21 am

A spark is required to ignite gasoline fumes, I know that much. But friction sparks could conceivably have been struck by several different means, given the circumstances. Once again, when considering these questions I come up against the wall of my own inexpertise...

by **banned** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:26 am

...car bombs, I must have been composing when you posted. Moi aussi, on the inexpertise...where are our techie here on RI? Don't tell me we got a frickin' bunch of LIBERAL ARTS MAJORS??? (History here <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"> )

by **banned** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:41 am

Once the first plane hit and it went on teevee, pretty much everybody's attention was on the Towers, right? SO if teams went around and slapped some plastique under every fourth car parked on the streets around the WTC...who'd notice? And if they did, it's New York--could be someone checking a flat tire, or if someone got too nosy--waste 'em and figure they'll be taken for a casualty of the collapse. Or, just have a team of people drive cars already wired with explosives early the morning of 9/11 and park them at intervals on surrounding streets. My view is, the state of technology is such, and the money available to the government is so vast, that whatever they WANT to do, they can. It's a waste of time to claim it can't be done just because you can't figure out how (generic you, not anyone on this board), or because mainstream experts in a field don't know how to do it or claim they don't or claim it's impossible. I sometimes wonder why we go to all the trouble to figure this stuff out, when the salient point is that they DID it and they're out to kill, imprison or enslave us all. I would hate to think that when the knock comes for us in the middle of the night, we'll still be sitting on some message board arguing about whether they could really have pulled off a CD and not got caught. This is not an academic exercise, we're fighting for our lives. If someone has a gun in my back, I'm damn sure not going to be standing there going "Hmm, lemmesee, from the shape of the barrel and muzzle, I betcha that's a .38 Colt Redhawk that the guy bought over at Izzy's on 9th Street."

by **thumperton** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 12:51 am

According to AJ 9/11 was intended to be much more spectacular than what we saw on that day.

by **banned** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:03 am

...here's what I expected to happen: East Coast targets would be WTC, Capitol Building, Pentagon, and Three Mile Island (that's where I think the one that went down in Pennsylvania was headed). Then they'd hit targets across the country--that other flight that supposedly landed in Cleveland may have been headed for either the Perry or the Davis Besse nukes, both are on Lake Erie. Others would have taken out the Sears Tower in Chicago, the Space Needle in Seattle, the Bank of America Center and Golden Gate Bridge in Frisco...you get the idea. Terror unfolding from East to West. But somebody ordered all the planes grounded and that was that. They scrubbed the one that supposedly augured in at Shanksville. I think the real plane was the other one in Cleveland. What hit the deck in Shanksville was an unarmed drone, which had been the plan all along. The cell phone calls and "let's roll" were all faked and preplanned to provide 'human interest' and a patriotic bit of twaddle to rally around. (No, I have no evidence for the latter except nobody calls their mom and says "This is Mark Bingham." Mark Bingham may be the real hero of 9/11 because he probably had a gun to his head and a speech to read and he did the one thing he thought might make people realize something was funky.

by **banned** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:05 am

...or whoever AJ is! I'd like to compare his ideas to mine!

by **maggrwaggr** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:08 am

are that some kind of state-of-the-art weaponry was being tested that day. I used to have an awesome website about top secret high-tech weaponry but it's disappeared. The military is using microwaves, electromagnetic weapons, as well as infrasound weapons (did you know a pig and a human body explode at the same frequency?) Cars just don't explode. Neither does gasoline enclosed in a gas tank. Heat alone won't do it unless it's like the surface of the sun or something, which it wasn't that day. People survived running through the exploding cars. Just bizarre as all hell.

by **robertdreed** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:15 am

"My view is, the state of technology is such, and the money available to the government is so vast, that whatever they WANT to do, they can." I resist giving them anything like that much credit. That line of thinking also presumes that 9-11 was a MIHOP inside event. But even if it was, that doesn't mean that the full resources of the DoD were available for those in the (posited) Fifth Column to exploit. It's important not to underestimate the complications inherent in hiding such an inside op from the entirety of the not-in-the-know, regularly functioning institutional structures of the Federal government. Even given the bias of government people to give those above them in the bureaucratic hierarchy a pass, it would be imperative for an inside MIHOP conspiracy to NOT do anything so out of the ordinary that it set off alarm bells- or to keep it to an absolute minimum, anyway. I'm much more inclined to give credence to the evidential tracks followed by people like Dan Hopsicker, Sander Hicks, and Dave Emory. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=robertdreed>robertdreed</A> at: 10/23/05 11:24 pm

by **banned** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:21 am

...is a possibility. I have suspected for some time that some of the explosions in Iraq attributed to car bombs or suicide bombers may be EMS triggered explosions. "BOOM BOOM BOOM oh look terrorists blowing themselves up gotta strike back." I don't want to underestimate anyone's convictions but frankly I just don't think there are that many people who are itchin' to become shredded meat, demand for BOOMs exceeds supply.

by **FourthBase** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:23 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I sometimes wonder why we go to all the trouble to figure this stuff out, when the salient point is that they DID it and they're out to kill, imprison or enslave us all. I would hate to think that when the knock comes for us in the middle of the night, we'll still be sitting on some message board arguing about whether they could really have pulled off a CD and not got caught. This is not an academic exercise, we're fighting for our lives.<hr></blockquote> Amen, banned. BTW, Did Mark Bingham really supposedly say "This is Mark Bingham" to his mother? I can't believe I didn't notice that before. Got a link? Source?

by **Gouda** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:26 am

rdr: "Whichever it was, it does point toward the idea that the 9-11 attacks were exceeedingly well-planned and executed…the minds behind them crafted them very skillfully indeed.” Banned: “My view is, the state of technology is such, and the money available to the government is so vast, that whatever they WANT to do, they can." rdr: “I resist giving them anything like that much credit." Art trumps bucks.

by **robertdreed** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 1:30 am

"I don't want to underestimate anyone's convictions but frankly I just don't think there are that many people who are itchin' to become shredded meat, demand for BOOMs exceeds supply." Keep in mind that a lot of so-called "suicide" bombers have been handcuffed to the wheel, etc. Scalar EM pulse weapons? That's a lot of precision, and a lot of energy to expend, simply to blow up a vehicle in downtown Baghdad. That's granting the fact that such weaponry even exists...mind you, as a psyops project, it's a lot easier to fake up reports of some omnipotent resistance-is-futile technology than it is to actually possess operating models. Not saying it doesn't exist- that would put me in the position of having to prove a negative. But...

cars were exploding for no reason at WTC on 9/11

cars were exploding for no reason at WTC on 9/11

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If the WTC came down due to bombs...

Re: If the WTC came down due to bombs...

Sorry rdr, didn't see you'd mentioned...

And if it was car bombs...

Re: And if it was car bombs...

Not sure who AJ is--Alex Jones?--but...

PS please give link to Alex...

My thoughts

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Yes, scalar EM weaponry...

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Re: Yes, scalar EM weaponry...

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