BYU Physics professor thinks bombs, not planes, toppled

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BYU Physics professor thinks bombs, not planes, toppled

Postby st4 » Fri Nov 11, 2005 10:51 am

From the Desert Morning News <br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Thursday, November 10, 2005<br><br>Y. professor thinks bombs, not planes, toppled WTC<br><br>By Elaine Jarvik<br>Deseret Morning News</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"It is quite plausible that explosives were pre-planted in all three <br>(WTC) buildings," BYU physics professor Steven E. Jones says.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--></strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br><br> The physics of 9/11 — including how fast and symmetrically one of the World Trade Center buildings fell — prove that official explanations of the collapses are wrong, says a Brigham Young University physics professor.<br><br> In fact, it's likely that there were "pre-positioned explosives" in all three buildings at ground zero, says Steven E. Jones.<br><br> In a paper posted online Tuesday and accepted for peer-reviewed publication next year, Jones adds his voice to those of previous skeptics, including the authors of the Web site www.wtc7.net, whose research Jones quotes. Jones' article can be found at www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html .<br><br>"It is quite plausible that explosives were pre-planted in all three (WTC) buildings," BYU physics professor Steven E. Jones says.<br><br> Jones, who conducts research in fusion and solar energy at BYU, is calling for an independent, international scientific investigation "guided not by politicized notions and constraints but rather by observations and calculations.<br><br> "It is quite plausible that explosives were pre-planted in all three buildings and set off after the two plane crashes — which were actually a diversion tactic," he writes. "Muslims are (probably) not to blame for bringing down the WTC buildings after all," Jones writes.<br><br> As for speculation about who might have planted the explosives, Jones said, "I don't usually go there. There's no point in doing that until we do the scientific investigation."<br><br> Previous investigations, including those of FEMA, the 9/11 Commission and NIST (the National Institutes of Standards and Technology), ignore the physics and chemistry of what happened on Sept. 11, 2001, to the Twin Towers and the 47-story building known as WTC 7, he says. The official explanation — that fires caused structural damage that caused the buildings to collapse — can't be backed up by either testing or history, he says.<br><br> Jones acknowledges that there have been "junk science" conspiracy theories about what happened on 9/11, but "the explosive demolition hypothesis better satisfies tests of repeatability and parsimony and therefore is not 'junk science.' "<br><br> In a 9,000-word article that Jones says will be published in the book "The Hidden History of 9/11," by Elsevier, Jones offers these arguments:<br><br> • The three buildings collapsed nearly symmetrically, falling down into their footprints, a phenomenon associated with "controlled demolition" — and even then it's very difficult, he says. "Why would terrorists undertake straight-down collapses of WTC-7 and the Towers when 'toppling over' falls would require much less work and would do much more damage in downtown Manhattan?" Jones asks. "And where would they obtain the necessary skills and access to the buildings for a symmetrical implosion anyway? The 'symmetry data' emphasized here, along with other data, provide strong evidence for an 'inside' job."<br><br> • No steel-frame building, before or after the WTC buildings, has ever collapsed due to fire. But explosives can effectively sever steel columns, he says.<br><br> • WTC 7, which was not hit by hijacked planes, collapsed in 6.6 seconds, just .6 of a second longer than it would take an object dropped from the roof to hit the ground. "Where is the delay that must be expected due to conservation of momentum, one of the foundational laws of physics?" he asks. "That is, as upper-falling floors strike lower floors — and intact steel support columns — the fall must be significantly impeded by the impacted mass. . . . How do the upper floors fall so quickly, then, and still conserve momentum in the collapsing buildings?" The paradox, he says, "is easily resolved by the explosive demolition hypothesis, whereby explosives quickly removed lower-floor material, including steel support columns, and allow near free-fall-speed collapses." These observations were not analyzed by FEMA, NIST nor the 9/11 Commission, he says.<br><br> • With non-explosive-caused collapse there would typically be a piling up of shattering concrete. But most of the material in the towers was converted to flour-like powder while the buildings were falling, he says. "How can we understand this strange behavior, without explosives? Remarkable, amazing — and demanding scrutiny since the U.S. government-funded reports failed to analyze this phenomenon."<br><br> • Horizontal puffs of smoke, known as squibs, were observed proceeding up the side the building, a phenomenon common when pre-positioned explosives are used to demolish buildings, he says.<br><br> • Steel supports were "partly evaporated," but it would require temperatures near 5,000 degrees Fahrenheit to evaporate steel — and neither office materials nor diesel fuel can generate temperatures that hot. Fires caused by jet fuel from the hijacked planes lasted at most a few minutes, and office material fires would burn out within about 20 minutes in any given location, he says.<br><br> • Molten metal found in the debris of the World Trade Center may have been the result of a high-temperature reaction of a commonly used explosive such as thermite, he says. Buildings not felled by explosives "have insufficient directed energy to result in melting of large quantities of metal," Jones says.<br><br> • Multiple loud explosions in rapid sequence were reported by numerous observers in and near the towers, and these explosions occurred far below the region where the planes struck, he says.<br><br> Jones says he became interested in the physics of the WTC collapse after attending a talk last spring given by a woman who had had a near-death experience. The woman mentioned in passing that "if you think the World Trade Center buildings came down just due to fire, you have a lot of surprises ahead of you," Jones remembers, at which point "everyone around me started applauding."<br> Following several months of study, he presented his findings at a talk at BYU in September.<br><br> Jones says he would like the government to release 6,899 photographs and 6,977 segments of video footage for "independent scrutiny." He would also like to analyze a small sample of the molten metal found at Ground Zero.<br><br><br>© 2005 Deseret News Publishing Company<br><br>Link to article:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635160132,00.html">deseretnews.com/dn/view/0...32,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Thanks to DZ over at 911Blogger.com for the heads up on this:<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.911blogger.com/2005/11/steven-e-jones-brigham-young-physics.html[/quote">www.911blogger.com/2005/1...tml[/quote</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END-->] <p></p><i></i>
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Re: BYU Physics professor thinks bombs, not planes, toppled

Postby Iroquois » Fri Nov 11, 2005 10:55 am

You beat me to it, st4 <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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hahahaha

Postby st4 » Fri Nov 11, 2005 10:59 am

<!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :b --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/tongue.gif ALT=":b"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <br><br>Let's hope some other mainstream news outlets pick up on it. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: BYU Physics professor thinks bombs, not planes, toppled

Postby OnoI812 » Fri Nov 11, 2005 11:47 am

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>The woman mentioned in passing that "if you think the World Trade Center buildings came down just due to fire, you have a lot of surprises ahead of you," Jones remembers, at which point "everyone around me started applauding."<br>Following several months of study, he presented his findings at a talk at BYU in September.<br><br>Jones says he would like the government to release 6,899 photographs and 6,977 segments of video footage for "independent scrutiny." He would also like to analyze a small sample of the molten metal found at Ground Zero.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>This part shows he has no grasp on how far the rabbit hole goes down. He'll never get to see any evidence from the gov that can be used to make them look bad...He knows not what he's dealing with.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: BYU Physics professor thinks bombs, not planes, toppled

Postby Qutb » Fri Nov 11, 2005 2:32 pm

Yawn, the same old nonsense. I'll cut and paste my response from the CD thread:<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Jones is a physics guy who doesn't even try to understand the basics of structural engineering. Instead, he invokes the second law of thermodynamics etc. (and quotes Christopher Bollyn, go figure). It's just a repetition of the same tired old arguments. For instance, he repeats the fallacy that the antenna begins to drop before the north tower collapses. It doesn't, it's the stories above the floor where collpase initiates that tilt, as is clearly seen in photos from other angles. FEMA were apparently fooled by this optical illusion, which is perhaps an indication that their investigation was extremely sloppy. NIST got it right.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>He also says that NIST didn't address the apparent "fall" of the antenna, which means that he probably hasn't even read the report. <br><br>Christ, he even argues that the "squibs" (jets of air) are evidence of explosives, without considering the obvious explanation that when the towers collapse, the air in the entire building is compressed through ventilator shafts, elevator shafts and stairwells. And without explaining how demolition charges that cut steel is supposed to create powerful jets of air mixed with pulverized concrete. Jones has either been taking too much acid, or this is a disinfo initiative. I'm willing to bet Mr. Jones is soon going to team up with Dr. Griffin, and they'll go on a speaking tour together, persuading even more 9/11 skeptics of their disinformation.<br><br>If it isn't disinfo, and he's actually being honest about this, this level of sloppiness is difficult to undertsand. He doesn't seem to know the first thing about engineering, he can't have watched the videos of CD he's linking to very closely, I doubt he's even read the NIST report, and he doesn't show any willingness to understand how the design of the towers contributed to how they fell. "The fire created structural damage", uh, no Mr. Jones, the planes crashing into the towers created structural damage, and the subsequent fires weakened the structure in the same area. <br><br>Is this the best the CD side can do? <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :lol --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/laugh.gif ALT=":lol"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: BYU Physics professor thinks bombs, not planes, toppled

Postby manxkat » Fri Nov 11, 2005 3:33 pm

Great to see this professor making this case. The imploding politics of Bush and The Neocons might just be making it easier for more reputable scientists to step forward with their opinions on this. My guess is, if that happens, the overwhelming majority will be VERY suspicious of the official story. There's momentum in uncovering what really happened on 9/11. That's a good thing regardless of whether the controlled demolition hypothesis is proven or not.<br><br>If 9/11 truth does finally make it into the mainstream, however, I do believe these revelations will shake the foundations of "reality" in this country. It will be a painful first step in waking up the sheeple, but a necessary one. How can we move forward otherwise?<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: BYU Physics professor thinks bombs, not planes, toppled

Postby FourthBase » Fri Nov 11, 2005 3:36 pm

If Qutb doesn't think that WTC7 was CD, then he has no credibility with me. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: BYU Physics professor thinks bombs, not planes, toppled

Postby manxkat » Fri Nov 11, 2005 3:48 pm

Another crumb of hope: RawStory.com actually has this story in their headlines. I've been reading that site for a long time now, and it's rare for them to put up a 9/11 article that questions the official version. I've forwarded the story and link to Buzzflash.com as well. These lefty news sites have been very negligent, in my opinion, in questioning the official story. Maybe that's changing and the momentum will really start to pick up. Maybe. I'm not placing any bets though. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: BYU Physics professor thinks bombs, not planes, toppled

Postby nomo » Fri Nov 11, 2005 3:50 pm

Ok, so this guy specializes in fusion and solar energy, his sources for his papers are the armchair "experts" at wtc7.net, and all of the sudden he's now an expert on controlled demolition?<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>No wonder that science in this country is a joke.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Never mind that he's not bringing any new arguments to the table, just the same old recycled talking points.<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: BYU Physics professor thinks bombs, not planes, toppled

Postby nomo » Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:15 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> If Qutb doesn't think that WTC7 was CD, then he has no credibility with me.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>So credibility to you is determined by whether someone thinks the same as you do? That's not very rigorous. How about basing credibility on the facts brought to the table?<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Prof. Jones

Postby st4 » Fri Nov 11, 2005 4:30 pm

This story has legs. CBS News has reported on this too:<br><br><br>BYU Forms New Theory About 9/11 Attacks<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_314234334.html">kutv.com/topstories/local...34334.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>© MMV, CBS Broadcasting <br><br><br>The Prof. was on a radio show today and sounded like he knows his shite. I'll post the MP3 when it arrives. <p></p><i></i>
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Hmmm...

Postby Jerky » Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:02 pm

"This story has legs. CBS News has reported on this too:"<br><br>Which pretty much guarantees that it's disinfo. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Hmmm...

Postby nomo » Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:07 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr> "This story has legs. CBS News has reported on this too:"<br><br>Which pretty much guarantees that it's disinfo.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Beautifully done, too. So people will start questioning the official story, <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>as they should</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END-->, but as soon as they figure out that CD is bogus, they will dismiss everything else you tell them. <br><br>Way to go, prof Jones.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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The Prof

Postby st4 » Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:09 pm

Did you listen to the Prof. today? He sounded like he had integrity to me. I think he's for real. I also think his speaking out will encourage others to speak out too. <p></p><i></i>
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Postby st4 » Fri Nov 11, 2005 5:10 pm

That was to jerky btw. <p></p><i></i>
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