Grove's Transcript

by **pugzleyca3** » Wed May 31, 2006 12:10 am

Wow! He sure answered my email quickly and he was kind enough to attach the transcript so I didn't have to type it out myself. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)"> I hope ezboard takes this long post: Here it is: : This transmission originated on April 23, 2006; and is addressed to the Future of America : A Grand Master Chess Player can think 20 or more moves deep- in essence calculating a Googol of possibilities in his or her mind before making a move. Now, if I were to contend that I could sit down with 8 of the world’s master chess players, and using the aid of only a pencil and paper- or less- play them simultaneously, guaranteeing that I could win at least 4 out of the 8 games, and that I could repeat this feat at will, anytime… Would you bet for me, or against me? Keep that in mind. Now, what if I told you that by simply dividing the 8 expert strategists into 4 pairs, you could simply play the first player’s moves against the 3rd player, the 2nd player’s moves against the 4th, and so on, so that essentially the Grand Masters would all be playing each other, with only the illusion that you were making a mockery of their individual talent? Would it make any difference in how you perceive my abilities? Only if I disclosed how I did it, and when that disclosure was made, of course. You see, I’ve been studying illusions, but more to the point, I’ve been studying the illusionists… J. Edgar Hoover once said: “The individual is handicapped by coming face-to-face with a conspiracy so monstrous- he simply cannot believe it exists”… & he would know… as I believe that Hoover is someone who spoke from experience, not conjecture. In the spirit Hoover’s observation, I’m here to ask the question: What if such a monstrous conspiracy were broken down, processed, and then distilled into an easily comprehensible format, wherein it was effectively communicated to the audience by taking them behind the scenes- where the illusions could be easily understood by the all who wish to see, and perceived in a way that cannot be un-learned? What if the audience were shown the critical perspectives from which the illusions cease to hold any influence over their thoughts, feelings, and actions? In other words, I’m looking for someone else who sees the proverbial elephant in the middle of the room, someone who likewise senses that there’s too much not being talked about, events which affect all of our lives. That’s a major challenge that I’ve struggled with for the past several years, because I have solutions for the problems presented by the New Normalcy that has flooded our society post 9-11... But it’s next to impossible to communicate the solutions to the People, many of whom think that the illusions are indeed real. And the most horrifying reality of the illusions to which I am referring, is the pain that innocent people are suffering because so many people in our Country are congregated together in the 51st State- the State of Denial. On the other hand, I think that you probably have an idea that something is wrong; and that’s why you’re listening to this- and based on what I’m about to share, I think that you’ll feel both empowered and motivated by the overall feeling you’re left with after listening. The gravamen of what I have to share within this message outweighs any measure necessary in order to achieve a line of communication with you… So, thanks for taking the leap of faith necessary to grant me this impromptu meeting. After all, it’s not as simple as picking up the phone and calling people these days with this sort of information… because even if I had dialed your number, we wouldn’t be the only ones listening. Now, I say this not out of paranoia, but rather as a result of having been on the other side of information technology systems- and I’m familiar with how the data is collected, applied, and manipulated, and used against the American Public… and I think that more people would be interested, if only this information were to find its way to their attention. And though I wish that this message could find its way to all of the Voices, which are influential in Our Society- I’m thankful, that I’ve at least gained an audience with someone of influence, someone who has demonstrated a sincere interest in helping the Truth find its way into the Public Mind. What I’m asking for you to do is to lend me your attention and hear me through to the end, and if you do, I think that in HindSight, you’ll see your cognitive participation in this exercise as being time well invested. The events I’ll be discussing relate to the Who, How, and Whys of September 11th, why this information is being suppressed, who’s suppressing it, and how I came to make this recording- as an escalated measure to communicate this information to the people who can use it to heal America… people like Yourself. But first, I should ask: Do you really want to know what happened on 9-11? Moving forward under the assertion, that you do: I’ve taken the liberty to write out some of what I need to say, and I’ve done this as a precautionary measure- because the relations I make herein are complicated, dangerous revelations, and I think that we have a duty to make our best efforts to be specific and precise in what we say, and the language that we use to address the topic of September 11th. What brings me here to you today is my experience- a chain of events and causal consequences- which forged a foundation… from which sprung thousands of hours of research… and has led me to many hundreds of attempts to enlist the interest of people like yourself- people who have experience and resources, but not necessarily all of the information critical to catalyzing the American People into action. I’m going to challenge you to think, and since the only thing our leaders can recommend We do to help win the War on Terror is pay higher gas prices and look the other way while they plunder Our Future, I’m here to ask that you take what I have to say to heart, because you can do something about what’s going on. You see, I’ve found that there are few people left in our society, who have a voice and corresponding influence in the public arena… and even fewer who have the perspective from which they can accurately direct those who will listen to their message. And, still, even fewer, who are willing to shoulder the consequences of making outspoken statements in a society which now frowns on people who think for themselves or raise question and concern when they see innocent people being hurt. TRACK 2 For the sake of making a formal introduction, my name is Richard Grove. I’ve been a National Security Whistleblower in two separate instances- both of which- intimately relate to the events of September 11th. It’s a pleasure to make your acquaintance, and though I regret not being there in person, I’m hoping that this medium will provide the next best thing- a direct line of communication so that you can listen to me say this in my own words, and hear it for yourself, first-hand. The chronological path I’ve mapped may seem circuitous at first, but if you listen along at the end you will find the point; because in my humble opinion- you’re It. You see, the solution is getting this information to people like you, as it is my contention that when this information is introduced to an objective mind… it is inevitable that meaningful, benevolent and constructive causalities will manifest as a result. I’m looking for leaders who can help bring together the critical resources necessary to fight the fire of Tyranny, with communication- people who can help unite those who are also aware and see the danger, so that others may be given a chance to be Free, and it’s my desire to create a forum wherein we can teach others how to do likewise. If one were to look at the events of 9-11 as a battle-wound to the body that is our Nation, the current state of our union would be this: We’ve been ambushed by a yet-unidentified enemy, we’re critically injured, but we haven’t cleaned or dressed the wound, or found who is responsible. As you’re either aware, or about to learn, We were attacked by rogue factions using elements of Our own resources against our own people, but in response, We’ve invaded sovereign nations instead of addressing our own problems here, at home. We have allowed a gangrous administration to infect all corners of the Congress, and focus on profiting from 9-11, instead of finding the real terrorists. We, the People, are responsible for letting this wound fester into a life-or-death struggle for America, and We, the People, will have to be the first ones to take the steps necessary to localize and treat the infection, and create an environment wherein true healing can begin. I’m here, because I don’t have an established forum to introduce this information to the Public Mind, but quite possibly you have resources and/or experience at your disposal to successfully progress, or even possibly accomplish, that which I have not yet been able to achieve due to my limited resources. I envision this communication as the beginning of a constructive dialogue which reveals the granular details of widely suppressed evidence pertaining to the events of 9-11 and the consequential aftermath. I chose to create this message because there are too few who are able to articulate what happened on September 11th beyond the contention that “The Official Story is a Hoax”, and there are fewer still who see that the “Official Story” is actually a prime example of psychological warfare being used to deceive the public… but most people I talk to want to leave it at that, and when I ask them: “So what then do you think happened?” the question is followed by silence, and it’s in the presence of that silence that I wonder how much people really care, if they’re not actually willing to do some researching on their own and look for themselves. Certainly I can’t be the only person who is troubled by the fact that it’s been almost 5 years, and those allegedly seeking truth are still asking the same questions as they were on September 12th 2001. TRACK 3 You may be wondering at this point, why I care so much about finding and sharing the Truth behind the events of September 11th… Well… I’ll shed some light… to begin with I experienced the New York-related events that morning first hand- and therefore my perspective and ideas about 9-11 are not based on what the Media has reported, rather they’re based on what I personally observed at “Ground Zero”, and what I’ve learned since then through my own study of the events. What’s more, I like many others, lost peers, coworkers, and friends on that horrific morning- all of whom were premeditatively murdered in cold blood, some of whom were actually working behind the scenes with me and attempting to help me blow the whistle... On what? Well, that’s the $7 Trillion Dollar Question, isn’t it? In the months preceding September 11th, I was not alone in sensing that something was amiss while I was working in the World Trade Center, but I was the only one (that I know of) to raise my voice- and in retaliation I was promptly terminated- to set an example. In many ways, it is only due to the fact that I was illegally terminated for blowing the whistle, that I am here today, alive, attempting to relate the hidden details of these events to you- & I’m doing this because the gift of consciousness should be used to save lives and improve our world, not take them and destroy it; and so this is what I can do to help those suffering at the hands of others. You see… on that particular morning, I was to present evidence, which I still possess, to my ex-coworkers at Marsh & McLennan, on the 98th floor of WTC 1- The North Tower, which exploded while I was in traffic on my way to this meeting, and I was only a few blocks north of the WTC Complex heading south on West St, just south of Canal at 8:45 AM, in the convertible with the top down. Aside from witnessing events which contradict the “Official Story”, I experienced the horror of bearing witness to a situation wherein my peers were trapped in a burning building and realizing that there was nothing that I could do to help them… As they lost hope and began to jump (in some cases hand in hand)… the flailing of their bodies as they were pulled helplessly toward the earth was almost the most disturbing part of my experience that morning. I was within 2 or 3 blocks of the North Tower when the South Tower exploded. Perhaps you can relate when I express how truly surreal it is to be trapped in an experience: wherein what you witnessed and what is shown to the world are night-and-day contrasts. For a long time after that morning, I knew that it was too risky to even engage with people who were interested- because the Media and the Administration had made it exceedingly clear that nothing but the official story would be tolerated- which meant that people who think for themselves, and/or think differently, became the new target in the birthing War on Terror. Anyone who has read the 300 + page Patriot Act can readily see that the actions being taken are for the purpose of dissolving the Constitution, deleting Constitutional Rights of privacy, speech, etc., and basically treating every American as a potential and plausible terrorist- because information is being collected on every single one of us. Giving up our Freedoms in order to attain alleged security can only result in a loss of both… And that’s why you have Halliburton building concentration camps in our backyards, and the constitution being neutered by the Patriots Act, I & II. If that’s news to you, Google on Oliver North’s REX-84 program or FEMA CAMPS, or the “civilian inmate labor program” being prepared by the Army for U.S. Citizens. It’s an unfortunate legacy that we’re all inheriting care of the current administration, which has used 9-11 as a springboard opportunity wherein trillions are spent (or lost) without question or consequence, countries are invaded without legitimate opposition and under provably contrived pretexts, and the Constitution is circumvented through coercion. Trillions of dollars of debt have been approved in addition to the loss of liberty that comes with the Patriot Act- and the combination of these remedies have produced not one legitimate investigatory outcome; be it trial by jury, victory in war, or un-objected support of domestic and foreign policies by an informed Public. Samuel Clemens said it best: “I guess the Government that robs its own people, earns the Future it is preparing for Itself”. You know, for many people out there, the whole 9-11 controversy is just too hard to think about, and that’s why it works- the Lie is simply too big for most to conceive of or realize- even in the face of so many blatantly irreconcilable contradictions- because the Theft is simply beyond their conception of what is real- so they end up reverting back to their hypocrisy-addicted habitual slothness, tuning into reality-conditioning sponsored by AIG, Lockheed Martin, or the Government Employee Insurance Company, better known as GEICO. As I’m sure you’re aware, the junk-media people consume everyday emboldens their denial, and as a result the American People have become so estranged from the Truth that they basically have to risk insanity to follow the diabolical machinations of the events to their source of origin. Fortunately, I’ve had a unique opportunity and the critical support necessary to do just that and return with the proverbial fire, if you will. TRACK 4 I’m here today to share suppressed Truths which if used re-constructively, can inspire the American People to regain their rights, freedoms, & liberties by restoring the Constitution; because the overall idea you’ll be left with is truly revolutionary. What struck me most ominously that morning was not what I saw at the top of the Towers, but what I encountered at ground level when I discovered that we were all being deceived- and by that I’m not talking about the jack-in-the-box “Islamic extremist bogeymen”- who, allegedly, successfully commandeered and drove commercial airliners into the top of the towers with military precision, I’m talking about participants who were plausibly associated with U.S. Intelligence entities, and taking non-rescue actions at the base of the towers. The specific details of what I’m alluding to I’m not going explore here, as they are far too sensitive to explore without first setting the proper context, which is outside the perimeters of this transmission. To that end, I’ll continue with a high level overview… What happened at the Top of the Towers that morning in many senses served the same purpose as a magician’s wand- the events at the top were, in part, a sick sort of diversion, to draw attention away from the events going on at and below ground level. As we all continue to learn more about this topic, we start to comprehend the grandiosity of the thefts and fraudulent transactions that took place under the umbrella of 9-11- specifically hundreds of billions of dollars worth of gold bricks which were surreptitiously liberated from their safety deposit vaults under the World Trade Center. Couple that with the realization of the verifiably true statement made by Donald Rumsfeld on September 10th 2001- wherein he announced that $2.3 trillion dollars in U.S. taxpayer funds had been misappropriated by Pentagon accountants and “lost”. Let me do a quick thought experiment with you: If I drew a line, one foot in length on a white board, and that line represented 1 million dollars, how long would a line representing a billion dollars be? What about a Trillion Dollars? The answers are 1,000 feet, and 189 miles, respectively, and keep in mind, that using 1 unit= 1 million dollars, if one dollar was = to 1 foot, a trillion dollars would be 189,000,000 miles- or in everyday terms- to the Sun, and back. My point is that when we’re talking about Trillions of Dollars missing, we’re talking about the largest crime ever committed- right in front of all of our lives and using 9-11 as the getaway vehicle- and what was stolen, was our collective Future, it’s about time we realized it. Not only did Rumsfeld’s September 10th ,2001 announcement not draw much attention then, but even today it’s widely unknown… and it’s worth mentioning here that DynCorp, which is partially responsible for the bogus Pentagon accounting, is still receiving tens of billions annually in Pentagon contracts… in other words, it’s my contention that what America doesn’t know is exactly what’s killing America, and Americans. Based on that contention- if we simply build a mechanism to restore the unrestricted flow of information to the People, the country should self-resuscitate. If a resource were created to aggregate and correlate all of the data collected by those of us who have been independently observing, documenting, and waiting for an Opportunity to come together and share; then- and likely only then- will the People have a fighting chance to realize that the war is being waged on US not “them”, them, being of course the alleged terrorists. And maybe all that is needed is someone like you to take the time to listen to someone like me, and let the Truth continue to take its course. I’m approaching you for guidance, because the nature of what I’m relating is simply impossible to communicate via the traditional mechanisms for informing the Public Mind; as in this case, the Corporate Mass Media is, either willingly or unwittingly, part of the Fraud. Without the intervention of people like yourself, who have the ability to communicate with a vast and potentially unlimited audience, there is little hope that any of what follows will be widely consumed… at least until people literally dig it up in the Future. The comprehension of what I’m sharing dissolves the foundation of rhetoric- upon which is built the justification for illegal arrests, secret police, rendition flights, torture and mass-genocidal activities- all of which add up to today’s post- 9-11 era, where the events of September 11th are used as cover for the most evil atrocities ever devised by humanity, and blithely accepted by a majority of the Public. Whether it’s Checkpoint data systems getting $4 million to rig the 2000 election to reserve the White House for the Regime In Power via Katherine Harris and Jeb Bush’s office, or the use of Anthrax Attacks to coercively pass the Patriot Act, illegal invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, the use of the Muslim community as the contemporary “Lee Harvey Oswald”, or Eliot Spitzer’s pseudo-investigations of both 9-11 and the hundreds of billions stolen in the Insurance Fraud which came soon after September 11th, involving the corporations who provided service and aid to the *real* terrorists who perpetrated the atrocities that morning. And perhaps you’re one of the few who I would not have to convince that 18 Militant Islamic Extremists with paper cutters had no control over NORAD’s planning of simultaneous exercises on 9-11, Guiliani’s participation in those exercises, or the Securacom & Kroll Associates Security experts who ordered the people in the South Tower to “return to their offices” in order to raise the death count. For me, over these years as I’ve struggled to gain audience with people like yourself- people who have the power to both Listen AND Act- the only “unanswered” question has been “who can I go to with this information, who will use it for the right purposes?”. And of course, in these types of situations there are people out there who are profiting heavily from the activities that I’m going to disclose, and without a strategic plan it’s likely that one would meet a similar fate as Mark Lombardi, William Cooper, Gary Webb, Hunter S. Thompson, or any of the hundreds of others who have been suicided post September 11th for attempting to speak their mind, so we must take care. My goal herein is to build out a faithful rendering summarizing the experiences which led me create to this exercise in communication, so that you can see the Forest for the Trees, so to speak. What you’re about to hear is probably nothing like what you’ve heard anyone else say in relation to 9-11; and arguably, that’s why so many still have unanswered questions. So, with no further a due, I’m going to relate to you an unfinished-but verifiably true- story, and I’m going to ask you to help me determine how it continues from here. TRACK 5 Here’s where I’ll begin: In 2000 I worked for a software development entity called SilverStream Software. I worked in Sales- and in October of that year I won the largest client in company history, which soon thereafter led to the acquisition of SilverStream by Novell. In contextual hindsight, and considering the audience, my Gordon Gekko was a client named Marsh & McLennan. Marsh is the world’s largest Insurance Brokerage. You might also recall that Marsh was located right below Cantor Fitzgerald in the North Tower, and approximately 295 Marsh employees were murdered that morning along with the other innocent victims and employees who either “knew too much”, or “too little” about their chosen work environment. SilverStream’s technology was on the cutting edge of internet solutions, offering software to web-enable the critical business functions of Fortune 500 companies- basically integrating and making available on the web the disparate legacy applications and mainframes while simultaneously streamlining workflow and traditional paper processes, with an end result being a lower cost of operation and more efficient transactions- because inefficiencies such as people were being taken out of the loop. And here’s where it gets interesting… SilverStream had built internet transactional and trading platforms for Merrill Lynch, Deutsche Bank, Banker’s Trust, Alex Brown, Morgan Stanley; to name a few. I was responsible for these accounts at one time or another. Coincidently, several of these companies purchased space in the World Trade Center and simultaneously completed disaster-recovery and business continuance implementations just prior to 9-11. And hopefully, you’re already somewhat familiar with the roles that these financial institutions played on 9-11, and if you include Marsh & McLennan, and another client of mine in 2001, AIG, on the list: you pretty much have the major players involved in the financial aspect of the 9-11 fraudulent trading activity. You might also have noticed the hidden information regarding Marsh on the bottom half of the screen approximately 6 ½ minutes into Loose Change. I didn’t realize the scope of these connections myself, until about a month after 9-11, when I read Mike Ruppert’s article on the Criminal Insider Trading that took place on September 11th. Ruppert’s contentions are accurate to a great degree; but it’s also important that one separate his documented facts from his peak oil theories. Now I mention in this in passing only because it has everything to do with the Gas Prices these days, and since people are now pawning their possessions to fill their tanks, I figured I’d mention it in case you’re interested. You see, whether or not Oil is truly a fossil fuel (and therefore depleteable) or is actually abiotic (and therefore regenerative) is up for debate; however, I agree that oil is used to exert a measure of control on populations- and to that end, you may want to check out a book called the “Deep Hot Biosphere” sometime, as it explains that oil is not a fossil fuel, and not in danger of running out. But I digress… If you’re interested in researching what I just mentioned about the financial institutions involved, just Google “Buzzy Krongard + A.B. Brown”, and you’ll see the connections to our Intelligence Community. Getting back on track… Let me tell you what Marsh was up to… In 2000 SilverStream was contracted by Marsh to provide a technological solution beyond what we had done for any of the above-named companies; insofar as it would be used to electronically connect Marsh to its major business partners via internet portals, for the purpose of creating “paperless transactions” and expediting revenue and renewal cycles, and built from the ground up at the client’s site. SilverStream provided a specific type of connectivity that was used to link AIG and Marsh & McLennan- the first two commercial companies on the planet to employ this type of transaction- and in fact Marsh was presented with something called the ACORD Award in the summer of 2001 for being the first Commercial Corporation to do so… and what you should take away from that is this: it means that no other companies were doing this type of transaction, so the question in your mind should be- what then were Marsh and AIG doing, and why did they need to leverage technologies that no other commercial entity on the face of the earth needed to conduct business? Due to the nature of the Marsh.com Project, when I closed the deal in October of 2000, no product was delivered, per se- but the fact that my company did not have a “product” to “sell”, did not present a challenge to SilverStream, whose executives invented a way to take over a million dollars from Marsh up-front, before we had even started to build the project on-site inside of the North Tower. Once securing the contract, SilverStream then stationed approximately 30-40 developers at Marsh, and this team was led by 2-3 managers, with whom I liaised to ensure delivery of the “solution” that was promised. The development team regularly worked late into the night if not all night, and sometimes worked 7 days a week in order to adhere to Marsh’s indicated pre-Sept 11 deadline. Now, while I was good friends with a few of the developers, many of these developers I did not know, not even as acquaintances. I do however; have documents which reflect the names of many of these people, and their corresponding timesheets. I first noticed fiscal anomalies with respect to the Marsh.com project, when I was in a meeting on the 98th floor in October of 2000 with a gentleman named Gary Lasko. Gary was Marsh’s North American Chief Information Officer, and that particular afternoon a colleague and I helped him identify about $10,000,000 in suspicious purchase orders- after I recognized that certain vendors were deceiving Marsh, and specifically appeared to be selling Marsh large quantities of hardware that were not necessary- as this was later confirmed by Gary. In the Spring of 2001, I was negotiating a $5 million license renewal and services contract with Gary, to complete Marsh’s list of requirements for the Marsh.com project. Simultaneous to my efforts to close this deal, I was concerned that SilverStream was over-billing Marsh… to the tune of $7 million or more. I brought my concerns up to executives inside of SilverStream, and I was urged to keep quiet and mind my own business. I went to an executive at Marsh, and he advised me to do likewise… but THEN I mentioned it to a few executives at Marsh who I could trust- like Gary Lasko…and Kathryn Lee, Ken Rice, Richard Breuhardt, John Ueltzhoeffer- people who became likewise concerned that something untoward was going on. The concerned colleagues I just mentioned, were murdered on September 11th, and the executives who expressed dismay at my concerns, are alive and free today because of it. I feel that it’s no coincidence, as the Marsh Executive who urged me to drop my line of inquiry made sure that his personnel, who I just mentioned, were in the office bright and early for a global conference call before the staff meeting upon which I was to intrude… a conference call which I was informed this executive in question conducted but attended from the safety of his Upper West Side apartment. Although I’m getting ahead of myself again... I will mention that the executive in question, whose name I will not disclose here, is intimately affiliated with the Council on Foreign Relations… On June 4, 2001, I sent an email to members of my sales team, asking whether or not they were likewise concerned that apparently SilverStream was billing Marsh millions of dollars above and beyond the numbers we were being paid commissions on… therefore, either we were being denied our rightful commission, or SilverStream was defrauding Marsh… That same day, I attained the verbal approval from Gary Lasko’s people that SilverStream would be getting the next leg of the Marsh phase II contract. I telephoned my boss and gave him the good news, and he called his supervisor, the VP of Sales- a man named John Judge. The commission on this pending sale would plausibly grant me the opportunity to leave SilverStream and start a life of my own, as it would have been a payday worth well over $1,000,000.00. On June 5, 2001… the very nest Morning… Judge flies to New York, and hides behind the door in my boss’s office… then I’m lured in there under false pretenses, and terminated on the spot- and what’s more… Judge took it upon himself to share with me how much he enjoyed flying in just to see the look on my face. From that point on I was encouraged to keep quiet about what I knew, and to take some time off; so I did. I flew to Cabo San Lucas and purchased some vacation property, and I forgot all about SilverStream; I even considered staying there, but thankfully I didn’t. TRACK 6 So here’s where it starts to get a little more unusual, because suffice it to say, a great deal of pressure had to be applied to redirect my life of leisure to where I stand today, speaking to you like this. In August of 2001, I was in Boston, and after being rushed to two different hospitals, I had emergency surgery which I’m told saved my life. Oddly enough, During my state of recovery, in late August, the Chief Financial Officer from SilverStream offered to pay me $9999.99 to sign a contract, and one of the last requirements of that contract was that I not mention this contract or what led to it to anyone. He also tells me that he wants to offer more, but anything over 10 grand has to be reported to the board of directors. Interesting, right? So, despite agreeing to this contract at the time, I decided in hindsight that it was suspicious… the whole scenario… and though it took me couple of weeks to recover from surgery; as my mind cleared I felt that I needed to go back to my colleagues at Marsh and at least apprise them of my concerns- because they were the ones being lied to everyday, and they were the ones still working there. A colleague inside of Marsh arranged for me to attend a staff meeting, which would be on break at the time of my arrival, where I would then re-enter into the meeting along with others who were likewise concerned about the illicit fiscal activities. Our intent was to openly question the suspiciously unconcerned executive who seemed to be at the center of the controversial secrecy. The man, who was to be confronted, is the same Marsh Exe-cutive who conveniently did not go to the World Trade Center that morning; the same man who told me to look the other way, the same man who is currently in a partnership with a Council on Foreign Relations member. It think that there’s a conflict of interest here. Before I move on, to some other important topics and experiences, I’d like to share some insight into the Who, How, and Why of September 11th: Without getting into the sordid details like why the towers were brought down through Controlled Demolition, and making the connections between the associated risks and costs of the asbestos removal to the infamous decision made by the terrorists to take a money-losing operation and turn it into a money-making never-ending war, I’ll offer this sample: First I would note that L. Paul Jerry Bremer, who was in charge of the Coalition Reconstruction element of the post-9 11 Hegelian plan being carried out in Iraq; used to work for Heinz Kissinger, known to the public as Henry. Bremer was also the one to announce the capture of Saddam Hussein, and was responsible for approximately 10 billion dollars unaccounted for in Iraq Reconstruction Money- which was donated by way of U.S. Taxpayer’s blood, sweat, and tears. In fact, I’ve seen the accounting protocols- or rather lack thereof- that went on in Iraq; it’s a complete fraud of the American Taxpayers… open unguarded flatbed trucks with bricks of Billions of U.S. Dollars out in the open, driving around without anyone keeping track of where the money was going, or who was receiving it… But here’s what you probably don’t know- L. Paul Bremer’s last gig before capitalizing on the Iraq War was at Marsh & McLennan, where “Jerry” was the CEO of Marsh’s Risk Management collective. It’s interesting that nobody else has noticed that Marsh was at the heart of 9-11, and despite being woven into almost every aspect of the events- few question Marsh’s role in any of it. Secondly, I would note that Stewart AFB, in New Windsor, New York is used as a hub for importation of illicit drugs, using our Military Assets as cover. Coincidently, Stewart happens to be the simultaneous crossing point of 2 hijacked airliners on 9-11, and also the approximate location of where the transponders were switched. Stewart AFB was previously known as the base where the Iran Hostages, were returned after 444 days and the October Surprise, this predated but is not unrelated to the Iran Contra fraud... Interestingly, Stewart AFB is the only airport of its kind, in that it was privatized for secret purposes. This privatization was executed in part by George Pataki, and Eliot Spitzer. In 1999 Pataki signed a 99-year lease (ala Silverstein), and in 2000 Spitzer privatized it for “special” use. Spitzer, of course, is the attorney general of New York, a supposed real life crime fighter. I wish that were true, but I ask you to take a look for yourself, and judge the evidence: Spitzer allegedly investigates 9-11: but no real progress is made Simultaneous to this, Spitzer allegedly investigates the post 9-11 AIG, Marsh Insurance Scheme; wherein hundreds of billions of dollars were skimmed from fattened insurance quotes- it is my contention that the technology my ex-employer provided was fundamental to the perpetration of this scheme. Spitzer’s investigation finds AIG guilty, yet only penalized them $ 1 billion- less than 1% of what they stole, and of that $ 1 billion, Marsh & McLennan had to pay $800,000,000 of it. Compare that to the recent JP Morgan penalty of $425 million for committing IPO frauds related to the .bom, I .com boom, which as of 2003 more than 300 companies admitted to participating in the fraud… with “no adverse affects on our financial results” according to a JP Morgan spokesperson. Very interesting… AIG is the world’s largest Insurance company. When I looked into why AIG and Marsh were getting off the hook, I found a nightmare scenario; and to share that with someone who can understand what it amounts to is something that I’ve worked these past several years to do. You see, It goes like this, but in reverse: In response to Spitzer’s investigation… Marsh appoints a new CEO, and that alone struck me as a little strange, because of the history behind the investigation, so I did some digging… and since you’ll never guess what I found, I’ll share it with you. Eliot Spitzer was investigating Marsh, and Marsh countered by replacing their CEO, with a guy named Michael Cherkasky, which on the surface seems harmless enough, there’s nothing going on here… unless you’re a fan of history. You see, AIG CEO Maurice “Hammerin’ Hank” Greenberg, who coincidentally was also the former chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, and his 2 sons: Jeff and Evan- who were coincidentally the CEOs of the major insurance entities Marsh & McLennan and ACE Insurance respectively- were creatively managing their fiscal assets- as well as the public representation of those assets. When Spitzer’s investigation ramped up, Hank took a golden parachute of hundreds of millions (beyond the fraud) from AIG, and Jeff stepped down from his post at Marsh and McLennan… but other than that, nothing changed, it was just the right foot switching to the left, and the progress of the fraud continues, now with the support of Law Enforcement. To offer a little contextual History, AIG was founded by OSS operative Cornelius V. Starr (2 R’s), the uncle of Clinton’s friend Kenneth Starr. AIG was created for and is currently a front which provides cover for intelligence community illicit operations. In 2001, AIG owned a Risk Management firm called Kroll Associates. Kroll played a major role in the events of September 11th, and continues to this day to enable events like the 7-7 and 7-21 bombings in the London Tube system… they then go on TV and provide “expert” counterterrorism testimony to the goldfish at home tuned into FoxNews and the like. While Kroll provided the necessary operational capability, in part, for what was perpetrated; AIG and Marsh were focused on participating in both short and long-term money schemes. Kroll’s Jerome Hauer (a long time personal friend of ex-FBI Counterterrorism & Osama bin Laden expert John O’Neill) hired O’Neill as head of security for the WTC. Kroll had also managed the bunker in WTC 7 for Guiliani, and Kroll’s board of directors shared one peculiar member in common with AIG; that being Frank G. Wisner Jr., son of OSS co-Founder Frank Wisner. I won’t go into the history of the OSS, Reinhard Gehlen, or the Council on Foreign Relations / Dulles affiliation with its creation, but I can recommend an excellent book, wherein its relevance is comprehensively documented; the title you’re looking for is: The Old Boys: The American Elite and the Origins of the CIA by Burton Hersh (and printed in 1992). Given the long and distinguished list of residents of the buildings which allegedly fell from fire that day, and the fact that many suspicious trades took place on 9-11- amidst the destruction of Enron Evidence, and the offices of the Secret Service, IRS, CIA, and Guiliani’s Office of Emergency Management bunker on the 23rd floor of WTC 7- just to name a few-, the question here to be asked is Qui Bono? Hundreds of billions in fraudulent transactions took place just prior to the buildings being pulled down on 9-11- not including what I mentioned about Marsh and AIG previously- these transactions which capitalized on the destruction of fellow human beings were also in part facilitated by Marsh & McLennan. I know this because they were captured on hard-drives found in the rubble at Ground Zero… a German Company called Convar recovered the information on these drives. Where is it today? That’s a good question… Google “Convar + Kroll”, and you’ll see that Kroll coincidently purchased Convar in June of 2002… to ensure that the evidence never reaches the Public Mind, or to you. On July 8, 2004, Kroll Associates was sold to Marsh and McLennan. I would mention at this point that Kroll Associates also provides protection, I mean, Kidnap and Ransom coverage for major corporations and their executives- and employs ex-and-current Intelligence Operatives, as well as ex-Scotland Yard, and freelance mercenaries. Kroll is at the heart of 9-11, though it’s but a sub-aspect of many other superimposed actions and operative details that took place on that day. Like Francis Bacon used to say: Here’s the Rub; Kroll CEO Michael Cherkasky was appointed CEO of Marsh & McLennan (the world’s biggest insurance broker). In case you’re not getting the point, just do a little homework… TRACK 7 What you’ll find is that Guiliani, Spitzer, Cherkasky, Patrick Fitzgerald, Louis Freeh, and a few other names you’d recognize, all used to work for New York District Attorney Robert Morgenthau; and if one were to investigate the history of these particular men- in contrast to the events of 9-11, the fraudulent transactions of 9-11, and destruction of evidence from Ground Zero- one might readily ascertain that these men- though separated geographically, are still very much conspiring behind the scenes. To further demonstrate my contention, I’ll offer suppressed evidence of the February 1993 World Trade Center bombing: A man was instructed by the FBI to place a bomb in the underground parking garage of the North Tower, by parking a van laden with military-grade explosives next to a specific column- said man was suspicious that he was being used, and therefore recorded hundreds of hours of audio, wherein he captured the FBI instructing him to do everything that I’ve just alluded to. It doesn’t matter if you believe me, see if you believe yourself when you look it up: just type in three simple words: “Salem + WTC + Recording”, what you’ll find is… Emid Ali Salem, was FBI informant who used hidden microphones given to him by Federal Bureau of Investigation agents to record his conversations with rogue agents of the bureau. A Los Angeles Times article on October 28, 1993 revealed to shocked readers details of FBI involvement in the terrorist act. But America doesn’t read… yet. Why haven’t you heard of this before? Good question. It’s easy enough to google it to find out, but for sake of continuity, Louis Freeh and Patrick Fitzgerald participated in the cover-up, which, as usual, was perpetrated under the veil of an alleged “investigation”. You might also notice that Fitzgerald has his hands full these days, but few are aware that some sources cite that upwards of 100 clandestine operatives under the supervision of Valerie Plame who were murdered as a direct result of her cover being blown- admittedly by the current administration- and one might wonder how anyone could keep something like that a Secret. I’d suggest that interested parties inquire with Patrick Fitzgerald, or possibly Judith Miller could tell you… she spent 85 days in prison, maybe she knows something about the cover-up. I would also note the date of her arrest, July 8th, 2005. In any case, now that the President has admitted he was the one who declassified the information on Ms. Plame, whether or not it was a security leak it a moot point; in fact, it was an act of Treason, because in doing so, clandestine agents covers were also blown- and people who trusted in his leadership and were sworn to protect us, died at the hands of enemies of the United States of America, because of him- all for some political defense against other Lies that the Administration told to deceive America into becoming a Dictatorial Empire. I think that it’s time that we all took a deep look to see whose actions exactly, in fact, are providing aid to the terrorists… don’t you? More to the point, Eliot Spitzer was brought into the New York City DA’s Office years ago by Michael Cherkasky, who also happens to be a major contributor to Spitzer’s campaign. Who’s running for New York Governor? Eliot Spitzer. Who’s Spitzer allegedly investigating? Marsh & McLennan, whose CEO is Michael Cherkasky. There’s a lot more I could share, but right now I think that I should continue to build out the context of how and why I know what I know… as I think that in this case, how I found out is as important as what I eventually found. By the end of the week following September 11th, I was on a plane to San Francisco, to meet with a potential employer who entertained me on September 7th at Windows on the World, in the North Tower. I was interested in working for this company, because they too were involved, as SilverStream was, in the realm of providing cutting-edge internet technology to financial institutions. Despite the fact that SilverStream had terminated me in retaliation, the same Chief Financial Officer who attempted to buy my silence, actively sought to prevent my securing new employment by threatening to sue my potential employer, and with that, I was back at square one. TRACK 8 At the time of 9-11, I was renting a duplex on the upper west side Manhattan, and I had 2 roommates: one Pakistani, and one Indian; both were British citizens. I knew them because the Pakistani gentleman was a client of SilverStream; and was the Head of Emerging Technology for Deutsche Bank. He led me into a company called Panacya (PANACYA), where I started work in November 2001 as the Director of Sales for Financial Services. At the time, Deutsche Bank was in the midst of a project called “Blue Sky”, which had a budget of approximately $200 million dollars, and Panacya was one of the technologies in contention for part of the contract. The Panacya product- called “b@ware”- was the confluence between artificial intelligence and systems monitoring software, whereby it could be applied to observe a given environment and actually learn in a variety of ways- either through learned behavior based on observation and interaction, or encapsulated instructions conditioned by an authoritative source. This learning and real-time observation was then compared against both real-time and historical information; the function of performance of course being dependent on the validity of the history which the software references to make its decisions. Based on these premises, the software could be applied to a system wherein it begins to learn; and parallel agents remotely observe the environment, share information in a peer to peer manner, and acclimate- both as a group and individually- to become a virtually decentralized network, which produces quality intelligence. When the software agent matures, it is said to graduate, and in that state it can actively & accurately predict critical events BEFORE THEY OCCUR; and has the ability to take preemptive action, either learned or conditioned behaviors, to prevent critical events from affecting clients or transactions. Of course, if the agent is cut off from its authoritative components, it can only collect and store information, until it reconnects with the authoritative engine whereby action can be taken. Allow me restate that: The software gives the user the ability to predict critical events in the applied environment: BEFORE THEY OCCUR, for the purpose of taking pre-emptive action. In simplest terms, the Panacya product could be applied to any information technology architecture, monitor every aspect of that architecture, actively learn, and then consistently predict pending crashes- so that they could be fixed before they occurred and costly downtime was encountered. Here’s the practical use: Let’s say a client of mine, Fidelity, processes $500,000,000 worth of transactions on a particular server per hour. What is the cost of that server being down for an hour, or a day? How much is it worth to a Corporation to be able to prevent losing $500,000,000 worth of transactions? ...and that’s just the savings realized from preventing one hour of downtime. I would also ask the question: If software this powerful is being openly offered commercially, are we to believe that our intelligence community doesn’t have software at least this powerful? –and under that supposition- that they indeed do- is it not fair to assume that the intelligence community was at the very least aware of some sort of impending critical event prior to 9-11? After all, in hindsight, the Administration itself has offered forth numerous memos and warnings that were received prior to 9-11… In fact, in many instances, these memos and/or warnings were used as a basis of action by the current Administration… but unfortunately for the American People, the actions taken were not to warn the People of impending danger, but rather to capitalize on the tragedy- as the fraudulent transactions can be tracked back to intelligence community executives responsible for the protection of our own country. I would also mention at this point, that the information technology systems used by our intelligence community became a virtual scapegoat post-9-11… under the guise of “intelligence failures”, wherein they claimed that 9-11 was a result of the intelligence agencies allegedly not being able to effectively share information across organizations. In fact, the information systems and software tasked with preserving the security of our country, performed without fail, as all of the “failures” were choreographed and contrived so as to present the illusion which served as the propulsion mechanism through which the intelligence community could be brought under the control of one man- by creating a position called Director of National Intelligence- a position currently occupied by John Negroponte… just look him up in Wikipedia if you’re not making the connection between the position of DNI and the 9-11 Commission recommendations. Lastly on this topic I would mention that the FBI recently had a $250 million software project to integrate their systems, and interestingly, like many projects of its kind, it was suspiciously cancelled- but only after receiving approval and funding. Where does all the money go? TRACK 9 Hopefully that will sink in, if it hasn’t already. But I’ll move on… Panacya was developed at Annapolis, in the Naval Yard. Their office at the time of my being there was on the border of Fort George G. Meade, MD, which of course is the National Security Agency; and the current Chief Technology Officer of Panacya is an NSA operative. As you probably know, the NSA is not just the one building in MD, it’s numerous private companies like Computer Sciences Corporation and DynCorp, to whom much of the processing of the data collected on the public is outsourced by the NSA… you could even say to ensure plausible denial…. so in actuality, I’m sure it’s not a shock to you if I relate that there are many companies through which the Intelligence Community operates; and like for instance AIG, these companies in some cases are household names and openly traded on the stock market. I was at Panacya for about a year and a half, and I learned a lot about what the software industry was *REALLY* about. I worked with guys from NASA, JPL, & Oak Ridge… in other words, real-life rocket scientists; guys who, for instance, worked on the recent Mars missions… guys who held multiple patents on some highly interesting and profound ideas. And it’s worth mentioning that the NSA doesn’t have a “secret relationship” with AT&T, GTE, and all of the other telephone companies- because they are the telephone companies; and there’s a 1996 regulation wherein approximately $10 billion of U.S. Taxpayer money was used to modernize and upgrade the NSA’s ability to monitor, process, and/or record each and every single telephone interaction that goes on anywhere in the country- to say the least. Also worth mentioning: a Panacya-like product is used to analyze and determine RISK by processing the aforementioned calls in context of other data collected. In a face-to-face meeting, I would be happy to explain the variety of ways that rogue corporations collect, analyzes, profile, archive, and sell, the private information of Americans, but for that, I’ll need a white-board, some colored markers, and your undivided attention- because it’s a brilliant plan to protect the people- right up to the point where it is misused by rogue forces to undermine the Constitution and the Privacy rights of Americans. One of my mentors at this time, was the creator of key components of the Panacya Artificial Intelligence and learning engine- a man who also participated in the creation of something called the relational Database as part of a government Project called “ORACLE”. His work on Fuzzy Logic is evolutionary, and his book: Beyond Humanity: CyberEvolution and Future Minds- was used by Steve Spielberg in defining the futuristic environment of the Film A.i. Needless to say, it was about this time while working at Panacya that I was starting to figure out the nuts and bolts of what 9-11 really was, as well as how and why it was perpetrated. You see, on the morning of 9-11 I witnessed activities involving vehicles- which I identified as being Intelligence-related entities. I base this instant association on the fact that when I worked in McLean, Virginia in 1998, before moving to New York City in 1999; I knew of vehicles, identically disguised as those that I saw being used at Ground Zero. Specifically, an identical counterpart of one of the vehicles, used to be stationed at the gate of the Central Intelligence Agency, during times of heightened terrorist awareness in the Washington, D.C. area. For me, it became obvious, only a few moments after the South Tower explosion, that the personnel and vehicles I was observing at Ground Zero were not there to help rescue people. But I’m getting off-topic… the bottom line is that I saw enough that morning before the South Tower explosion to be suspicious… and what I saw occur during and after the South Tower explosion was enough to know that I had no control over the situation- and that entities much more powerful than me were in control of whatever was going on. Likewise to the aforementioned identification of clandestine vehicles, without the revelations which were revealed to me by my work at Panacya, I would never have been able to solve the puzzle of 9-11 or understand what the Solution meant. Interestingly enough, I had managed to assemble a comprehensive picture of why 9-11 was launched- without suffering any visible adverse consequences… and that came to a swift end within hours of saving the last files necessary, from my perspective, to demonstrate that the Official Story was really an Official Lie. I had created a model wherein I connected the various aspects of the participants and profiteers of 9-11, and this model was comprehensive in nature. It was so comprehensive, that when I searched on the final entities involved, I apparently unwittingly identified myself to those who surely do not want to be publicly known. Unfortunately, those who I was monitoring and investigating with relation to the 9-11 money laundering, finally caught on that I was on the inside; because I too was being monitored. I was using Company resources for personal research, and by that I mean that I was repurposing information systems during my free time… that’s not to say that I wasn’t doing my job- I was; but the result was the same. I had made waves, those waves were picked up by elements of the Intelligence Community, and I was apparently marked as a threat of some sort. On December 24, 2002 my apartment was burglarized, and by this time I was living with my current fiancée, in NYC, but we were spending Christmas in CT. When we returned on the 27th, everything seemed fine, and then I started to notice odd things missing; and most peculiar about the situation was that the only items that were missing, were items which were hidden, items only a professional could find… and indeed had. Once we secured the apartment, we called the police and filed a report. At the time, I had let my insurance lapse, so there was no insurance to collect; and besides, some of the items taken weren’t exactly things you list on your insurance policy, but let’s suffice to say that when someone invades your home and steals your measures of security and your research only, it sends a message that it wasn’t a normal burglary. That, and the fact that there was easily $100,000 worth of fence-able loot lying around the apartment, but the only items taken were items which pertained to my investigation of 9-11… my company laptop, my video camera (which I had with me on the morning of September 11th), my global cell phone, and all of my disaster-recovery copies of my data… well, almost all of them. Nevertheless, whoever removed these assets now had copies of all of my research, all of my email, all of my telephone records, and the names of all of my family, friends, acquaintances, and business colleagues. Couple that with the fact that the NYPD detectives confirmed that the perpetrators apparently used keys- which made it even more unusual and unsettling- as if it were possibly a sneak-and-peek search of sorts. The NYPD detectives that visited numerous times mentioned that it might be something beyond their realm, and advised me that I should leave certain details out of my report. Perhaps someone with Patriot Act Authority went to my landlord who helped them gain entry. Interestingly enough, when we were forced into exodus in 2003, the same landlord saw fit to cheat us out of our $7000 security deposit. Ironically, he admitted it to this on tape; and was knowingly defrauding us openly. Why would he take such an opportunity and kick us when we were down, after I had paid him over $100,000 in rent during my stay in New York? Possibly because he knew that due to the nature of the situation, every opportunity was being explored to financially break me, and so he was just doing his part to serve the terrorists. It was only days after the surreptitious invasion and theft, that on January 16th 2003 I was terminated by Panacya- probably in no small part due to what was found on the devices that were removed from my apartment. I would also offer that I had plausibly ruffled some feathers when I refused to progress what started out as an 8-figure deal with General Electric, who was interested in predicting the future, at least with respect to their information systems environment. I was asked by Panacya Executives to misrepresent our financial viability, and make certain guarantees to GE which went against my better judgment. You see, the sources of Panacya’s funding were kept secret (at least from me); and believe me, I tried to find out who was funding this operation because it was a mess- and I naively thought that the investors would care about so much money being wasted daily by non-revenue producing tasks. In any case, my reluctance to blatantly lie to GE’s top executives was the reason- in my mind at the time- for my untimely and unwarranted termination; as I did not verify the NSA affiliations with Panacya until after my termination. TRACK 10 Coincidently, simultaneous to my 2nd unexpected termination, my financial viability was now being brought into question. It started with American Express. Although I had a verbal agreement with them to pay in full the expenses which I had been left hanging with after an abrupt termination, my account was closed; and they called for me to pay off my card, in full, immediately. I had a contract with a human and I was being told that a computer made the most recent decision… Though I had spent several hundred thousand dollars with American Express since relocating to New York City, and had accrued almost half-a-million Amex Miles; I was disavowed, and no person was to blame… again, the “computer” was being used as the scapegoat- because if it were an honest mistake, it would have been corrected- not used as the convenient reason to coercively attempt to force my silence. Why would American Express alienate a client in good standing, and then become aggressive in response? At this point I didn’t even know what I had done, but I was starting to suspect that all of these events were connected by something I did not yet fully comprehend. American Express applied pressure from multiple angles- even going to the length of having elite black card members call me with threats, or with opportunities to entrap me... What had I stumbled upon? American Express and its creditors altered my credit rating, and like that I was out. MBNA and Citibank then followed suit and closed my accounts using similar tactics. And as the ultimate irony (at the time) all those who black-listed me were involved in the 9-11 frauds which I’d documented on some level- perhaps upon inspection of my research they decided that they should no longer lend me money to further my efforts… you see, at this time, I was using money borrowed from them to fund my research into 9-11, and how they profited from 9-11, seemed like a fair deal- apparently, they disagreed. As coincidence would have it, you might notice that Louis Freeh, is the current Chairman of Mercedes Benz North America, or MBNA- and John Deutch, former Director of Central Intelligence, is currently on the board of Citibank- and both financial entities are associated with events before-during-and after 9-11. At this point, I stepped back to look at the landscape of what was going on- because I had obviously fallen behind the curve somehow, and I needed to figure out a way to skip ahead. So I used the opportunity provided by yet another unexpected unemployment, and used the time to design a Future of my own; one which was independent of the greed of others. While I had a large savings at that time, it was being rapidly depleted due to standing obligations that remained from my life in sales; but also at the time, it seemed much more important to me, to find out what was going on, rather than to cling to material possessions. So I started selling off my assets to counter the weight of my obligations, just in case. I continued researching what was going on in the world around me, and observed how rogue corporate engagement is dis-integrating our Society; and in response to what I learned I designed several different business plans- both for profit and not for profit entities; which operate in a complimentary relationship- one organization’s profits are used to fund the other organization’s philanthropic ventures- whether it be public education and entertainment, child and adult literacy services, reintegration of the homeless into Society, or ad hoc financial support for those in need… All of these entities were designed to compliment for-profit media and entertainment business model components, and

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Wed May 31, 2006 12:50 am

Great! I just crossposted this over to progressiveindependent.com where Mr. Grove is posting as 8thEstate. <a href="http://www.progressiveindependent.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=28696">www.progressiveindependen...c_id=28696</a> That website only takes shorter posts so I had to put it in three parts with just a few paragraphs in the third part. Off it goes to the world. World peace any second now...right?

by **pugzleyca3** » Wed May 31, 2006 12:52 am

Surely peace will reign at some point in time! Mr. Grove will be here shortly to talk to us. <img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/smile.gif ALT=":)">

by **Sweejak** » Wed May 31, 2006 1:21 am

pdf file. <a href="http://www.h-files.hraunfjord.org/Kolokol/Robert-Andrew-Grove.pdf">www.h-files.hraunfjord.or...-Grove.pdf</a>

by **FourthBase** » Wed May 31, 2006 2:45 am

Tell him to be more succinct with the facts.

by **twister12** » Wed May 31, 2006 5:02 am

Watched the first 15 minutes of the video, but finished with reading the transcript. (I could read faster than listen) Interesting. Very interesting. Some comments - delivery, diction is excellent. Almost too good! (Something about the word choices strikes me as almost NLP, imho) Could maintain interest in reader or listener for longer by interjecting more summarizing facts in long introduction. I also was impressed at his command of not only the basic circumstances, but of many, many small details, such as the tremendous amount of costs at stake in WTC complex due to asbestos liability (and potential abatement, thus resulting in lowered bldg values) could have played into Silverstein's motive (but miss the potential connection to the Bronfman (Edgar and Peter) empire and the World Jewish Congress) Oh, and to keep things consistent, here's a little fact correction to the claim that WTC1 and 2 broke ground on 9/11/71: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>The groundbreaking for North Tower (WTC1) was on April 4, 1966 followed by the erection of the structural steel starting in August of 1968. By the end of 1970 the first tenants had moved into the 110-story Tower (at 1,368-feet (ft) it was then the tallest building in the world) topped with a 360-ft transmitting antennae. By early 1972 the 110-story South Tower (WTC2) was completed with a height of 1362 ft. The ribbon cutting ceremony was held on April 4, 1973 (FEMA, 2002).<hr></blockquote> Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=twister12@rigorousintuition>twister12</A> at: 5/31/06 3:05 am

by **Qutb** » Wed May 31, 2006 7:14 am

I listened to his audio presentation too. Sounds like a synthesis of every 9/11-related theory that has appeared on the internet. Anyone remember Karl Schwarz? He was going to come forward with definitive proof that the south tower was hit by a Boeing 737 and not a 767... he's been awfully quiet lately.

by **TroubleFunk** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 5:50 pm

Because I want to know more, I am bumping this. Has anyone heard any more, or have any thoughts on what they read? It was a damn good read. Infuriating. I promise not to do this often.

by **slimmouse** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:09 pm

All I have to say really. Money money money, and of course, it would be fascinating to look at the masonic connections of these players. But when I see the Ghoul in the thick of all of this in Groves analysis, I know this guy is on the right track. Rudolph Gulyiani KBE.

by **pugzleyca3** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:27 pm

Troublefunk, I believe this is just about right, what Grove wrote here. Some faces have been pasted onto the normally invisible gang of criminals. I want to see more of this happening. If Grove knows this, then there must be a hell of a lot more people out there who know just as much or more. We need an inside traitor to come out. And I do not mean inside trader, either. But, this will probably never happen because we're not talking about poor people who work their way to the top. We're talking about intergenerational rich. I have to wonder how they train their children to carry on their crimes thoughout the decades, after they are gone. The PTB, that is.

by **Sweejak** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:29 pm

My understanding is he is on his way to Chicago for the ... I think it's a 9-11 convention.

by **dugoboy** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:33 pm

at the risk of self promotion, maybe read this thread i started a couple hours ago: <a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=4568.topic">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...4568.topic</a> ___________________________________________ "BUSHCO aren't incompetent...they are COMPLICIT."

by **isachar** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:39 pm

This is all very interesting. I was aware of most of what Grove has referred to but for the links with EMC and Marshal/McLenahan (sp?). Mr. Grove seems to be the Zelig of 911. This is not to say I am challenging his legitimacy, but he does, by his report, have a way or cropping up in the thick of things time and again. It would be fairly simple to establish his bona fides to document his employment links to many of the key players he says he worked for pre and post-911. Or, he might be able to post a link to a court that would confirm the filing of certain legal proceedings or administrative procedures in which he has been involved. This would be the first step in exploring his story - that is to simply validate who he is and that he was employed by the firms/agencies he indicates. One thing that is puzzling to me is his knack for getting hired by certain employers despite his history of being a "trouble-maker". I'd like to hear more and invite him to continue posting here. Much of what he says conforms to my own conclusions regarding the general outlines of the 911 hoax and this nation's subsequent descent into a klepto corporate fascist state. As to getting his story out, if validated, it certainly needs consolidating. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=isachar>isachar</A> at: 6/1/06 6:01 pm

by **pugzleyca3** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:47 pm

I just bumped a post to the top, where there are some more docs. you can look at. I don't know if you saw them or not. I'm still sifting through all this, there is a truckload of information here to dig through. Needs a lot of condensation and clarity. Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=pugzleyca3>pugzleyca3</A> at: 6/1/06 4:48 pm

by **TroubleFunk** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:54 pm

Thanks Pugzley. It all rings quite true to me, as well. It would be inspirational if he would simply demonstrate, publically BUT in a safe place for him (I hope he is being Gods' own kinda careful), how to backdoor the Sarbanes/Oxley software as he describes. Instant validity, instant smoking gun.... Without lifting a finger he hasn't already lifted. Instant uproar/distraction for the PTB, a reprieve for the rest of us.

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Re: because

Re: Sounds like the real deal to me.

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