interesting 911 theory from alternet blogger

[darkbeforedawn]

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.alternet.org/blogs/video/38944">www.alternet.org/blogs/video/38944</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>One of the GREATEST arguments for Bush complicity in 9-11 <br>Posted by: xbj on Jul 14, 2006 8:27 AM [Report this comment] <br><br>One of the GREATEST arguments for Bush complicity in 9-11 has been the Administration's relentless "screw me" attitude toward the state of Israel. What in the world could Israel be holding over the Administration's head that would be so damning and so fatal that the Administration merely goes along with anything that Israel says?<br><br>What indeed?<br><br>And what is the reason that most anti-Zionist folks hold up as Israeli government, possibly Mossad, involvement in 9-11? There is the case of the "Dancing Israelis", the young exhuberant Israeli ops that were videoing the WTC as it fell, jumping around and slapping each other on the back as if it were a wedding. Who were promptly let go by the authorites and quickly sent back to Israel. Many folks point to this as evidence of explicit Israeli involvement in 9-11.<br><br>Only one problem. If Israel was involved from the very beginning, they COULDN'T USE BUSH INVOLVEMENT AS BLACKMAIL, because they themselves would be just as implicated, just as guilty, IF THEY WERE SIMILARLY INVOLVED. No, in order to use 9-11 complicity as blackmail, THEY HAD TO BE COMPLETELY INNOCENT.<br><br>Not to mention that the Mossad and the Israeli government, on several WELL-DOCUMENTED occassions, did their absolute best to warn the Bush Administration AND the CIA that an attack was imminent, AND THEY WERE COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY IGNORED. As were all other warnings from all other countries who'd picked up similar chatter and intelligence.<br><br>It has been my assertion from the very beginning, that what the Dancing Israeli young Mossad agents were recording WAS THE END OF A VERY LONG and DAMNING TAPE SEQUENCE, one that could be used for endless blackmail against the Bush Administration. One that had ACTUAL FOOTAGE OF MARVIN BUSH'S "SECURITY" CREW PLANTING THERMITE CHARGES THROUGHOUT THE WTC. One that, like any good sting operation, had enough evidence of planning meetings and actual operations to HANG THE ENTIRE ADMINISTRATION FOR TREASON.<br><br>One has to remember that the relationship between the real government of the United States (the triumvirate of George H.W. "Poppy" Bush41, Dick Cheney, and Donald Rumsfeld) and the State of Israel and the Mossad has always been a shaky and tenous one. The Mossad knows, more than anyone else, that all Bush "allies" sooner or later end up with the proverbial knife in the back. And when they got wind of what BushCo were planning, THEY WERE FORCED, as a matter of SELF-PRESERVATION and SELF-PROTECTION, to take video OF THE ENTIRE OPERATION from START TO FINISH to COVER THEIR OWN ASSES. They had NO WAY OF KNOWING whether the Bush Administration was planning to pin this on them or on Iraq. Indeed, Sharon himself was deathly afraid of Bush assassination attempts, and had orders, upon any untimely and suspicious death, to release the tapes, copies of which he'd distributed throughout the world in locations unknown even to the Mossad. Which is why he will be kept alive indefinitely as a human vegetable, because the current Israeli government wants to keep that evidence to hold as a sword over the Administration's head INDEFINITELY.<br><br>So now YOU know. You know why the Israeli government can start a war with anyone it wants, right up to Iran itself, and the US, overstretched as it is, will be forced to finish it, this time, nuclearly because the US doesn't have the troops to finish the job any other way but total complete nuclear annihilation of as much of Iran as possible.<br><br>To which China and Russia will take great offense and retaliate against the US with everything in their nuclear AND non-conventional arsenal (which is QUITE extensive.)<br><br>Israel is going to end up blackmailing the Bush Administration into suiciding the entire United States against China and Russia, and then they're going to end up STRANDED.<br><br>UNLESS they RELEASE THOSE TAPES <p></p><i></i>

[Col Quisp]

I seriously doubt the sanity of the person who posted that comment. On the other hand, why is it that to criticize Israel is akin to blasphemy in the US?<br> <p></p><i></i>

[HMKGrey]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>On the other hand, why is it that to criticize Israel is akin to blasphemy in the US?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Not just the US, anywhere. <br><br>And we even pretty much obey that great unwritten rule here too. <br><br>Go figure. <p></p><i></i>

[bvonahsen]

This is a comment in a blog, it isn't from the blog.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"Sharon himself was deathly afraid of Bush assassination attempts, and had orders, upon any untimely and suspicious death, to release the tapes, copies of which he'd distributed throughout the world in locations unknown even to the Mossad."</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Pretty outlandish statement there, any proof for that or is it conjecture built on guesswork? <p></p><i></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>On the other hand, why is it that to criticize Israel is akin to blasphemy in the US?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Residual collective guilt for the Holocost?<br><br>To be perfectly blunt, I think they've forgotten what being victims felt like. <p>____________________<br>Oderint, dum metuant</p><i></i>

[Joe Hillshoist]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Pretty outlandish statement there, any proof for that or is it conjecture built on guesswork? <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I've got no proof. But it is interesting that Sharon seemed to be mellowing out in regard the violence against Palestine and since his death its ramped up and spread.<br><br>Good call arcadia. Not just the holocaust but general anti semetism that goes back centuries.<br><br>Re 911, I think that the Israeli may be holding a simple threat over the neocons.<br><br>Do what we want or you get no new temple.<br><br>No temple means no armageddon the way they want.<br><br>Just more wild speculation. <p></p><i></i>

[bvonahsen]

I don't think it's "wild speculation." I wouldn't put anything past the players involved but it is just speculation all the same. The theory is simple and explains alot but there is no <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>direct</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--> evidence for it. <p></p><i></i>

[Joe Hillshoist]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The theory is simple and explains alot but there is no direct evidence for it. <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I know. It is just speculation.<br><br>Done that a bit today. <p></p><i></i>

[Iroquois]

That is an interesting theory, darkbeforedawn. Still, that's a pretty nasty group of people to blackmail. So, I have to wonder how far they could really take it. Maybe not so far as the author thinks.<br><br>There's no shortage of these conspiracy theories putting Israel machinations behind the next World War that has them sitting pretty after the the major powers cancel each other out. Somehow, I don't see things working out that well for them.<br><br>I had thought more along the lines of your theory, Joe. At least, there are some who can be manipulated that way. I also believe that Egypt holds a similar card in some circles. Note that both nations are are top recipients for US aid, just an observation. <p></p><i></i>

[Et in Arcadia ego]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Not just the holocaust but general anti semetism that goes back centuries.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>To my knowledge, nearly every European country at some point in history had at least an abbreviated purging of their Jewish populations.<br><br>Including the UK. <p>____________________<br>Oderint, dum metuant</p><i></i>

[Joe Hillshoist]

The first time I ever came across anti semieism was an uncle who moved from the Fiji to the UK. He was savage in his dislike. And crass.<br><br>He's now a dedicated enemy of his bro, my Dad. I have a messed up family.<br><br>I guess I associate anti semetism with him, and he's a lazy, backstabbing, whinging wus. And he's gutless to boot.<br><br>Hello uncle "Sam" <p></p><i></i>

[Attack Ships on Fire]

The difference between an anti-semite and someone who speaks critically of Israel are night and day. It's like calling someone who speaks critically about Russia a Stalinist. If someone comes at you with the anti-semite smear, call them on it and stand your ground. There isn't one country on this planet that has a pure white track record of foreign diplomacy, and being critical of a country's FP encourages debate and thought about better ways to govern.<br><br>All that said, the OP's 911 theory sounds like it could be from Tom Clancy's next novel.<br> <p></p><i></i>

[Joe Hillshoist]

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>The difference between an anti-semite and someone who speaks critically of Israel are night and day.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Yeah I know my dickhead uncle used to make jokes along the lines of "how do you know there's a Jew living next door?"<br><br>He reuses his bog roll, washes it and dries it on the washing line."<br><br>I have never forgotten that joke, and not cos its funny or appeals to me in any way. Kind of more like being first to a MVA and seeing the mess. it sears itself in the memory.<br>So does the alienation from that uncle that I felt at that moment and ever since.<br><br>Sorry to any Jewish or non Jewish people offended by that, its a terrible joke and deserves to have never been mentioned on this site or earth. If anyone asks i will remove it.<br><br>But thats the sort of mentality I am talking about.<br><br>Criticism of Israel (as a political entity or state) and those pushing its current genocidal policy is legitimate. IMO <p></p><i></i>

[xsic bastardx]

<br> Wow. I didn't think that we were capable of having this kind of discussion here. Bravo. It is a very interesting theory, an, possible could be true. For me, Israel was part of it. Atta, or at least one of them MUST have been Mossad. Don't forget the propaganda that the Dancing Israeli's said...<br><br>"we are not your enemy, the Palestinian's are your enemy, those people who brought those buildings down are your enemy". <br><br> Israel is indeed Black mailing us, they are the whole world. From the dreaded label of being an "Anti-Semite". Dare us not question the Authority and autonomy of the Jewish People. Well, it's not about the Jewish people, no more than it was the many that perished in WWII. It's about the evil which is Zionisim and the people that manipulate events to achieve power for there own good.<br><br> We Americans are now caught up in the same lie the Jewish people have been brainwashed with. The same sense of Paranoia that they instilled in there own people is now in us. <br><br> 9/11 was a pre text for all out genocide and war in the Middle East. Watch CSPAN at 3am and see the maps that are being drawn of the Middle East. <br><br> Israel needed the "Mighty" Americans to establish a pre-text for Pre-Opt wars.....take the enemy out before the enemy gets you. Nobody can say a damn thing now because we did it first. Isreal is going to wipe Lebanon, Paelstine(what's left of it), Syria and Iran off the map by the continuation of Blackmail(for numerous others of things BESIDES the manipulation of 9/11), Brainwash us and Fuck Us till we ourselves become the Enemy in the world.<br><br> A Gigantic Fucking Pill we have to swallow is what REALLY HAPPEND in WWII. There is so much Propaganda from both sides of the fence that I honestly don't think that anyone truly knows what happend, where to whom and with what and for what reason. <br><br> <br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=xsicbastardx>xsic bastardx</A> at: 7/16/06 2:46 am<br></i>

[bvonahsen]

The way to avoid anti-semitism or any other bias is to focus on behavior and of course to take a good hard look inside ones self. Sometimes our own biases ands prejudices will color our perception of anothers' behavior. We all have them and if we make the effort we can reduce their effect on us. <br><br>Israel is not that different than any other country, they want to maximise their power and they want their citizens to be safe from harm. How any country goes about doing that is the problem. No matter if it is Israel vs Lebanon or Russia vs Chechnya, both have behaved poorly (at best). And both have vigorously defended the indefensible. <p></p><i></i>