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9/11 for truth activist reviews Stones Film

Postby 4911 » Tue Aug 01, 2006 7:45 am

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2006/07/26/18291754.php">www.indybay.org/newsitems...291754.php</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Having gotten an invitation to an advance screening of Oliver Stone’s latest film ‘World Trade Center’ in San Francisco last week, I gladly took up the offer to see this much-anticipated film.<br><br>As a 9/11 Truth activist and I was going to take a decidedly different approach in reviewing the film than other sources. Instead of analyzing the acting, the plot or by speculating on how well it would do at the box office, I instead was going to look at the film for clues that Oliver Stone was aware of problems with the official story and, hopefully, enlighten the viewing audience in his cinematic narrative. Was the Oliver Stone that politically transformed a generation by exposing us to an alternative understanding of the way the world works, like he did in ‘JFK’, still out there? Would he mention Building 7, the explosions heard by rescue personnel going off within the building and other strange anomalies? This is what I had my eyes and ears out for.<br><br>The film is based on a true story of two Port Authority policemen, Police Chief John McCloughlin (played by Nicholas Cage), and Rookie William Jimeno (played by Michael Pena) and depicts their harrowing story on 9/11. After a brief introduction to their families, we soon follows the two officers through their routine morning foot patrol, and just a short while later, into to an earth shattering chaos that happens when the planes hit the towers.<br><br>After calls for the evacuation of the towers, Port Authority Chief McCloughlin rushes to organize a team of officers to assist people who are trying to get out of the building. As the team of volunteers moves through Tower 2, one can hear the very audible sound of explosives going off all around them. The rookie Jimeno comments on these sounds only to be told by McCloughlin, “Don’t Think, Just Move.” Sound familiar?<br><br>Soon, the explosions get more powerful and with a terrible roar Tower 1 comes crashing down leaving the two men buried in the concourse elevator shaft, along with their dead, or soon to be dead, colleagues.<br><br>(I would like to stop here in the narrative and give Stone credit for emphasizing the explosions. They were very noticeable and corroborate eyewitness testimony by emergency personnel. 1 point for Stone.)<br><br>The drama continues to unfold with interspersed sounds of explosions and another harrowing escape from death as Tower 2 falls down with a crashing roar around the pinned men. After both towers fall, there is an inexplicable scene of more explosions, coupled with hissing sounds and then a scene from Dante’s Hell — flaming boulders fall and molten steel pours on the men to their astonished horror. Once again, the rookie screams in puzzlement and frustration as to what could cause such a thing to happen.<br><br>(Here I believe that Stone trying to convey a termite reaction on steel. Another point if he was. (See Stephen E. Jones paper on Thermite and the World Trade Center buildings at <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.scholarsfor911truth.org/">www.scholarsfor911truth.org/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Unfortunately, the officers do not get a reprieve from the horror as many hours later they are rocked once again as Building 7 comes crashing down near them. Here Stone shows a TV news clip, you know that frontal shot of the building that looks like an unmistakable demolition. The puzzled faces on the port Authority officers at headquarters as they view this scene on the television conveys just how incredulous the thought this event was.<br><br>(Another point for Stone for showing that Building 7 clip coupled with the incredulous faces of the officers. See WTC7.net for video clip. 3 points in total so far for Stone for showing obvious anomalies in the official story.)<br><br>But, having acknowledged that there were attempts of daring on Stone’s part with this film, I am also aware that some of these clues might be too subtle for those who bought hook, line and sinker the official story. The critical details of the explosions and the melting steel (something a regular carbon-based fire cannot do) and Building 7’s collapse tends to get lost by the intense human drama and dialogue unfolding on the screen.<br><br>To sum it up, Stone not only did a good job in relating the story of these men and for conveying the emotional and psychological trauma that occurred to them and their families, but for also conveying the message that there are problems with the official story. By emphasizing the explosions, showing the collapse of Building 7 and implying Thermite usage, I believe that he was trying to wake people up to these important issues.<br><br>My friend, however, felt that Stone did not go far enough in exposing the evidence and was generally disappointed with the film.<br><br>But, in all probability, Stone’s hands were tied as he is basically talking about an event were the perpetrations are still in charge and a studio (Paramount) who did not want to be too adventurous. There was probably only so far he could go.<br><br>I know I am being presumptuous by assuming Stone is a disbeliever of the official story of 9/11, but I believe he has giving us enough cinematic clues to conclude that is the case. Will the audience notice is the question.<br><br>The movie ends with Dave Karnes (Michael Shannon), a retired Marine who helped rescue the officers saying, “This must be avenged… if only we are brave enough to do so.”<br><br>That is a good question. 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Re: 9/11 for truth activist reviews Stones Film

Postby xsic bastardx » Tue Aug 01, 2006 8:15 am

<br> <br>Well I am glad to hear at least he put WTC 7 in the film, which is quite suprising. However I think it signals where Oliver is at with 9/11 truth.<br><br>The things we can prove.<br><br>I think the thermite is also pretty cool but I won't say more till I see it for myself. I need to see how it's portrayed for myself.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: 9/11 for truth activist reviews Stones Film

Postby 4911 » Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:35 am

Well, since he purportadly put those events in there, it might be the wisest thing to do. If hed go in blazing with what most viewers see as conspiracy theories he wouldnt ever get off the ground with the audience. This way, he gets his foot in the door.<br><br>This is way more than I expected from seeing the trailer. The trailer looks like your typical bunch of hollywood emotional manipulation garbage. <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 8/1/06 9:36 am<br></i>
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Sez the cover of Newsweek:

Postby yathrib » Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:07 pm

"The Controversial Director Chooses Courage Over Conspiracy in 'World Trade Center'"<br><br>Sez Yathrib:<br><br>"Aaaaaaarrrrrggggh!"<br><br>But seriously, I guess he played it safe, and anyone is capable of reading whatever they want to into it. I guess I don't have the courage to the specious cover stories of our beloved illegitimate leaders. Back to my Cowardly Conspiracy COrner...<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Slow down

Postby Sarutama » Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:09 pm

I think its a bit of a stretch for this reviewer to say the molten steel is Stones way of talking about thermite. There has never been a denial in the official story, to my knowledge, that steel melted in the WTC.<br><br>What here implies thermite? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Mystery explosions and molten steel

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Tue Aug 01, 2006 12:55 pm

While some can applaud Stone for getting these key details into what is otherwise an emotional rollercoaster ride akin to The Poseidon Adventure, the problem with mixed messages is that they serve to reinforce conventional myths, not dispel them.<br><br>It takes strong and repeated emphasis of the truth to bail out the flood of lies which have displaced rational and critical thinking in this country.<br><br>The movie can serve as a litmus test by showing which publications are holding up the myth and which are willing to emphasize 'inconvenient truths.' <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Mystery explosions and molten steel

Postby dbeach » Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:52 pm

2 movies starring Cage .<br><br><br>National Tresure in 2004<br><br>WTC 2006<br><br>3 points for Stone<br><br>Any for Cage<br><br>or its just more jollywood propaganda <p></p><i></i>
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Didnt all movies used to have a trailer ?

Postby slimmouse » Tue Aug 01, 2006 6:57 pm

<br><br> Didnt all movies used to have a trailer.<br><br> Dare I suggest Who Killed John O Neill ? <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START 8) --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/glasses.gif ALT="8)"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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footage

Postby 4911 » Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:41 pm

<!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tk6s17wimKc&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fprisonplanet%2Ecom%2Farticles%2Faugust2006%2F010806worldtradecenter%2Ehtm">www.youtube.com/watch?v=T...nter%2Ehtm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>heres some of whats discussed in the article, a film excerpt.<br><br><br>Strangely enough, I dont hear any of these bombs go off in the Naudet Brothers Film. I dont think Ive heard a successive series of explosions like that. Thats about 10 or 11 evenly timed explosions Stones got going off. I dont think I heard that even in the video of the guy who had a videocamera on a tripod watching the thing for the last half hour from across the river. (Though I do recall some eyewitnesses on the street claiming there were "bombs going off everywhere" at some point) I wonder when this was supposed to be taking place...heres the Naudet Bros excerpt<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA3cxoqSLVU&mode=related&search=">www.youtube.com/watch?v=s...ed&search=</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=4911>4911</A> at: 8/1/06 9:04 pm<br></i>
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trailer

Postby 4911 » Tue Aug 01, 2006 10:48 pm

here it is Slim,<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTqqggSVgG0&mode=related&search=">www.youtube.com/watch?v=x...ed&search=</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Cage is sincere - TOO sincere

Postby trachys » Wed Aug 02, 2006 12:54 pm

dbeach I give Cage 1 point for "Lords of War" and -10 for "Captian Corelli's Mandolin." Ugh was it bad <p></p><i></i>
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