What is the meaning of Steven Jone's "antisemitism"

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What is the meaning of Steven Jone's "antisemitism"

Postby darkbeforedawn » Wed Sep 20, 2006 10:58 am

I thought it bizarre that Jones brought up the topic of the "international banking cartel" in direct connection with two Jewish names. I also wonder about the article posted at scholars for truth stating Israel will attack Iran if we do not. Is this deliberate disinfo discrediting strategy for the truth movement?<br> <br>Thursday, September 14, 2006 <br> BYU's Jones denies bias<br>By Tad Walch<br>Deseret Morning News <br> PROVO — Stung by what he said are false accusations of anti-Semitism, Brigham Young University physics professor Steven Jones said Wednesday he has decided to stop talking about who might have been behind what he has alleged was government involvement in the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.<br> "That's what I've resolved for the future, even when pushed," Jones told the Deseret Morning News. "I'll stick with the science, thank you."<br> Jones began last year to research the physics behind the way the World Trade Center towers fell. Disturbed by the remarkable speed with which they fell and emboldened by his own experiments on ground zero materials, he developed a hypothesis that the collapse of the towers was aided by pre-positioned demolition charges. He later began to say the charges must have been set by a group inside the U.S. government.<br> BYU placed Jones on paid leave last week, in part for what it called "the increasingly speculative and accusatory nature of these statements by Dr. Jones."<br> The action came two days after Jones appeared on KUER-FM 90.1's respected news talk show "Radio West." On the show, he said it appeared responsibility for the attacks rested with Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle and an "international banking cartel."<br> The statement drew immediate response from Jews who said they were offended because references to international banking have for decades been used by anti-Semitic groups as codespeak to blame Jews for various problems. Hitler often blamed "international financiers" for Germany's debt after World War I.<br> A spokesman for the Anti-Defamation League said he will recommend in a committee meeting tomorrow that the ADL send a letter to BYU complaining about the comments and expressing concern that such comments might be made by Jones in his classes. BYU relieved Jones of his teaching load this semester while it conducts a formal review of his research and statements.<br> "Wow, I don't know if he could be any clearer," said Jonathan Bernstein, regional director of the Anti-Defamation League for California, Utah and Hawaii. "This is the language we hear from David Duke and other hatemongers who want to scapegoat Jews."<br> Jones was flummoxed by the accusation, saying he was "startled" when told the phrase carried anti-Semitic overtones. He wasn't sure where he got the phrase because he was referring to the work of Webster Tarpley, a historian and member of the Scholars for 9/11 Truth, a group co-founded by Jones. Tarpley refers only to a shadowy, rogue network, not to international bankers.<br> "I'll name them as Tarpley names them," Jones said on KUER. "Wolfowitz and Perle, in particular — they do happen to be neocons — but there is a much larger group behind these (attacks) which is the international banking cartel which controls trillions of dollars and which has an interest in controlling countries in the Middle East which are not under their control."<br> Jones said his reference to international banking might have been influenced by Cleon Skousen, a former BYU instructor and author who claimed international bankers were behind the rise of communism and fascism. Jones shared his research on 9/11 at Skousen's home in the fall of 2005 before Skousen died.<br> Jones said he regrets talking about who might have been behind the attacks and from now on will leave that investigation to Tarpley and other members of the self-named "9/11 truth movement." "In the past, numerous times I deferred to those experts," Jones said. "This time I said, in my opinion, (Tarpley's) right. But I also think that's way outside the research I specialize in. I think it's smarter to leave the tasks of who should be investigated to those who specialize in those things."<br> Instead, he'll concentrate on his research about evidence from ground zero and the intriguing, unsettled questions about why the third World Trade Center building, Building Seven, fell later on Sept. 11 without being struck by a plane. A report by the National Institute of Standards and Technology is due early next year.<br> Jones contends measurements he took of a sample of the molten metal found under all three buildings show it is not aluminum from the planes nor structural steel.<br> "I can be proven wrong," Jones said. "I accept that. But whoever does it will have to explain this molten metal to me, and especially all the barium found. That's nasty stuff that's not going to be used in a building."<br> Jones said he doesn't blame Jews for the attacks.<br> "I had no idea this would be some sort of codespeak for anti-Semitism," Jones said. "It is not right to link such a group to Jews."<br> Salt Lake Valley resident Scott Klepper said Jones' statements were hurtful. "As a Jew, I view Jones' unsubstantiated conclusion as an affront to the Jewish community, to BYU and to real researchers and academics."<br><br><br>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br> RSS feed for this page + Daily index <br><br>© 2006 Deseret News Publishing Company <br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: What is the meaning of Steven Jone's "antisemitism&

Postby xsic bastardx » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:07 pm

And yet anoter Anti Semetic Witch hunt on the RI Board.<br><br><br>Quit walkin on fuckin eggshells people. It's OK to insinuate Zionist/Jewish envolvment with Big Banks because the fucking record of Such is a mile long. Anyone care to debate me and we can talk about the Federal Reserve, The Rothschilds and how the Bank of England loaned Hitler 30 million in the Early thirites and Re-armored his army for Genocide and the onset of WWII.<br><br><br>Cowards hide behind reasons not to question events or history. <p></p><i></i>
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This is predictable bullshit. Discrediting attack on Jones.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:18 pm

Steven Jones has just found out how The Beast fights back.<br>Now that Steven Jones' physics work threatens the neocon bogus War on Terra all the usual tactics will be deployed to character assassinate the man by implying he's an anti-semitic wacko.<br><br>So the Israelis have released the ADL on his ass.<br><br>Don't fall for the "codespeak" accusation by the ADL. So anyone who points at "international bankers" is pointing at Jews, hunh? <br>Gee, I guess only 'hateful kooks' talk about Big Money's role in steering nations and war-profiteering!<br><br>yeah...right.<br><br>The ADL even denies that Prescott Bush helped finance the Nazis, ok? And the ADL works closely with CIA and American police departments and helps target political dissidents with the 'anti-semitic' smear, not that they don't get some genuine articles, too.<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.adl.org/Internet_Rumors/Archive.htm">www.adl.org/Internet_Rumors/Archive.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Prescott Bush's Alleged Nazi "Ties", 12/16/03<br>Rumors about the alleged Nazi "ties" of the late Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, are untenable and politically motivated.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.adl.org/Internet_Rumors/prescott.htm">www.adl.org/Internet_Rumors/prescott.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> Prescott Bush's Alleged Nazi "Ties"<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br><br>Tuesday, December 16, 2003<br> <br>Rumors about the alleged Nazi "ties" of the late Prescott Bush, the grandfather of President George W. Bush, have circulated widely through the Internet in recent years. These charges are untenable and politically motivated.<br><br>Despite some early financial dealings between Prescott Bush and a Nazi industrialist named Fritz Thyssen (who was arrested by the Nazi regime in 1938 and imprisoned during the war), Prescott Bush was neither a Nazi nor a Nazi sympathizer.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>Here's the ADL on the 'Bilderberg Myth.' You'll see what the ADL's tactic is, anyone who points where they shouldn't is "anti-semitic."<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.adl.org/rumors/bilderberg.asp">www.adl.org/rumors/bilderberg.asp</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> <!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Debunking the Bilderberg Myth<br><br>ADL has received inquiries about conspiracy theories regarding the Bilderberg group, a legitimate business entity with ties to Europe and America. The following information from the ADL's Civil Rights Information Center debunks a recurring myth, circulated via the Internet, that the group is part of a conspiracy to promote a "new world order" under their control.<br><br>Deriving its name from the Dutch hotel where it first met in 1954, the Bilderberg group is an actual, legitimate entity whose members consist of approximately 100 influential European and American figures in politics, business and academia who meet annually to discuss and advocate political, diplomatic and economic policies.<br><br>Various far-right extremists and conspiracy theorists, however, charge that the group is a shadowy force seeking to control world events, exerting allegedly dominating powers of international influence to promote a "new world order" under their control. The extremists claim that Presidential candidates of both major U.S. political parties are controlled by the Bilderberg group; among those often mentioned in such conspiracy-oriented propaganda are David Rockefeller, the Clintons and Henry Kissinger. Other Bilderberg leaders are said to be members of the Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations -- groups which themselves are often central players in far-right conspiracy theories of secret efforts at domination of the world's political and financial institutions and the press. Such charges about the Bilderberg group were a regular feature in The Spotlight, the recently-defunct weekly tabloid of the far-right, anti-Semitic Liberty Lobby.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>CIA shill Chip Berlet also specializes in calling anyone who has the goods on the CIA - Bush Crime Family - Council on Foreign Relations cabal a 'right-wing hate-mongering conspiracist.'<br><br>And Chip gets around a lot. You'll read him eventually in a magazine you thought was smarter than to fall for his bullshit.<br><br><br> <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=hughmanateewins>Hugh Manatee Wins</A> at: 9/20/06 10:50 am<br></i>
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Re: This is predictable bullshit. Discrediting attack on Jon

Postby Dreams End » Wed Sep 20, 2006 12:51 pm

<br><br>Hugh...you need to figure out analytically what your position is here. You are all over the board on this. It's the same thing McGovern is doing only more blatant. You attack McGovern (correctly) and give Jones a pass. In fact, is this even the same Hugh who's been posting here recently?<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>So the Israelis have released the ADL on his ass.<br><br>Don't fall for the "codespeak" accusation by the ADL. So anyone who points at "international bankers" is pointing at Jews, hunh?<br>Gee, I guess only 'hateful kooks' talk about Big Money's role in steering nations and war-profiteering!<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>I think, Hugh, that you need to stop speaking about "fascism" till you go learn its history. Here's a quiz. Whom did Hitler blame for the destruction of Germany? See Mein Kempf for the answer.<br><br>You well know that there's abig difference between talking about "Big Money's role in steering nations..." and a conspiracy of international financiers whose Jewish agents planned and executed 9/11. <br><br>Hitler used this same language. Here is a line from a radio speech:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><br>If the international finance-Jewry inside and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations into a world war yet again, then the outcome will not be the victory of Jewry, but rather the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!         <hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END-->        <!--EZCODE LINK START--><a href="http://www.holocaust-history.org/der-ewige-jude/hitler-19390130.shtml">link</a><!--EZCODE LINK END--> <p></p><i></i>
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DE, hanging Jones on the Hitler hook is a bit of a stretch.

Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:23 pm

I believe I just read that <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Jones mentioned two neocon names, Perle and Wolfowitz</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, and so have many of us who are against the neocon's US-Israeli atrocity alliance.<br><br>That doesn't make us anti-semitic Nazis. How obvious is that?<br><br>Good heavens, this board has spent lots of time outlining how the psychic barbed wire of accusations of 'anti-semitism' is effectively placed around political opponents of both the US and Israel.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Both things are true. There is genuine anti-semitism and the accusation is used as a weapon. And I think it is a weapon here.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong><br>This is why I showed the inconsistency of the ADL regarding Nazi supporters like Prescott Bush.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>So that is consistent with my analysis and not "all over the place."<br><br>And I'm not sure why your own take on my take is so one-dimensional. So there. lol.<br><br>I still haven't read your articles on spook infiltration of the left but I'm looking forward to it. I love your writing style even when I disagree with you, DE. But later tonight. Gotta head for the world-wide-world now. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: DE, hanging Jones on the Hitler hook is a bit of a stret

Postby Dreams End » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:29 pm

It's not that he "mentioned" two neocons...stop playing games. He "mentioned" them as fronting for an international cabal of bankers.<br><br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Jones is a hack

Postby nomo » Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:57 pm

I just don't understand why anyone would lend credence to this Jones character anyway. I mean, a Mormon nuclear physicist pontificating about "controlled demolition" -- based on nothing but the same old grainy pictures we've seen a thousand times?<br><br>So now this "messiah" of the 9/11 "truth" movement turns out to be a anti-Semite. Wow. I'm surprised. <!--EZCODE EMOTICON START :rolleyes --><img src=http://www.ezboard.com/images/emoticons/eyes.gif ALT=":rolleyes"><!--EZCODE EMOTICON END--> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: Jones is a hack

Postby darkbeforedawn » Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:23 pm

I wonder what, Nomo, you think it takes to become just another one of those nuclear physicst hacks. You know, not much. Just an IQ probably equal to three of yours and 10 years of focused disciplined training. Then, let's see, another 10 devoted to publishing original research always under intense peer scrutiny. But other than that he's just another you know, idiot and who doesn't know his ass from yours. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: What is the meaning of Steven Jone's "antisemitism&

Postby OnoI812 » Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:38 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>based on nothing but the same old grainy pictures we've seen a thousand times?</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><br>Wow, just wow<br><br>can't believe this was posted here. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: What is the meaning of Steven Jone's "antisemitism&

Postby dude h homeslice ix » Wed Sep 20, 2006 2:54 pm

well?<br><br>im tired of looking at the goddamn pictures too!<br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3390733082467388648&q=webster+tarpley+9%2F11+issue&hl=en">video.google.com/videopla...ssue&hl=en</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br><br>scroll to 34:00 and watch a few. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: This is predictable bullshit. Discrediting attack on Jon

Postby Qutb » Wed Sep 20, 2006 4:56 pm

<!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>"Now that Steven Jones' physics work threatens the neocon bogus War on Terra"</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>Delusional. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: This is predictable bullshit. Discrediting attack on Jon

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:32 pm

Does anyone here actually believe that what Jones said was anything but the impolitic speculations of an academic speaking outside his field of expertise?<br><br>If I say that I think Wolfowitz and Pearl and the World Bank system are all corrupt and evil, does that make me a Hitler-loving bigot? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: This is predictable bullshit. Discrediting attack on Jon

Postby dude h homeslice ix » Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:09 pm

so what if he is jewish? wolfowitz is the head of the world bank, man! i dont care if hes a fundamentalist zoroastrian cross-dresser, if he aint the head of an international banking cabal, who the fuck is?!? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: This is predictable bullshit. Discrediting attack on Jon

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Wed Sep 20, 2006 7:53 pm

ot - Its ironic that the last head of the world bank had "wolf" in his surname too. <p></p><i></i>
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Truly Excellent Video Dude.

Postby slimmouse » Wed Sep 20, 2006 8:17 pm

<br> video.google.com/videopla...ssue&hl=en<br><br> Truly excellent video Dude.<br><br> Thanks a lot. More compulsive viewing from the excellent Webster Tarpley. <p></p><i></i>
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