by proldic » Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:29 pm
lilorphant: "The sense I get is that we are still sort of fighting WWII, but at what point did we switch sides?"<br><br>Answer: We never did<br><br>International capitalism, centered in the USA, birthed the Nazi movement. <br>It goes all the way back to WWI, to pick a significant point in time. <br><br>A point where we see the emergent role of the Dulles' (John F, Allen, Eleanor) as (?) "technicians".<br><br>Fact is, 75% of financing for Hitler's rise to power came from international capitalism centered in the US.<br>Reference "Trading With The Enemy" by Charles Higham, and start on a big journey. <br><br>The "liberal vs. conservative" paradigm as commonly perceived in the US is a false construct; it's really always been a class struggle, a battle between "socialism" and "capitalism". <br>Poor people have historically opted for socialism, because it meets their basic needs- food, shelter, clothing, health care. The perspective out there in the US is so slanted against socialism and Marxism that it's hard to separate what's truth from what's fiction. It's not impossible, though. If you traveled to the majority of the countries in Europe and talked to the “man in the street,” then you would have to admit that the vast majority of working-class Europeans hold deep sympathies to socialism – hence the compromise via parlimentary system by the powerful forces (corporate or otherwise) in Sweden, France, Germany, etc. creating the “social democracies” of western Europe. <br><br>A true understanding of history shows that post-WWII the majority of working-class Europeans, from Italy, to Germany, to France - even in England – overwhelmingly supported socialism and sympathized with communism. They saw first-hand how capitalism and fascism were inextricably intertwined (as Mussolini so aptly put it – "fascism is corporatism"). <br>They recognized the historical fact – recently admitted to by the NYT (buried in the book review section) – that it was Stalin and the Soviet peoples that defeated the Axis powers, not the Johnny-come-lately US (not to diminish the suffering of the families of American servicemen). <br>The bottom line is that it was the western capitalists who supported Hitler and were the hidden forces behind the Nazi party – the party of business as Hitler said. The war was fought to protect big business in Europe and the United States against a multi-national workers’ mass movement. Their goal was the de-population of the majority of Europe’s revolutionary active left. Read the most “credible” book on the Nazi movement – William F. Shirer’s Rise and Fall of Third Reich, where he shows how the holocaust was a politically motivated battle against bolshevism, and the Jews were used as a scapegoat. Shirer – the preeminent mainstream historian of the war - and certainly no communist - implies that the war and the killing machines were an attempt to destroy the imminent spread of the Russian revolution to the masses of poor people in Germany and all of Europe. The Nazis exploited German “Volk” beliefs of racial purity/cleansing (origins of eugenics), occult power nodes, manipulated latent pogram-mindsets going back generations in the Caucasus, Baltic regions, etc.. <br><br>So now we are starting to hear about the collaboration of US business w/ the Nazis. The economic dimension of this treason is being revealed to the US public: When the US was rationing oil, the capitalists were refueling German u-boats in the Caribbean. When the army was short of vital war materials, they were selling it to the Nazis - first. <br><br>The Nazi movement – the party of business - was directed by US/western business interests as a front for international fascism. America’s leading families and corporations, including Du Pont, Rockefeller, Morgan, Chase-Manhattan, GM, Standard Oil, Ford, RCA, ITT, IBM, GAF, etc. Not only did they import Nazis into the US post-war foreign policy establishment via Operation Paperclip (read the original “Blowback” by Christopher Simpson, not the Chalmers Johnson crap), US capitalist elites were actually working directly w/ the German high command during the war. This wasn’t just profit-driven war-greed, this was intense collaboration between fascist elements in the highest levels of power in both countries. Put it this way, it was well know among Germans that the Russians were hanging high-level Nazis- the U.S. were giving them jobs in the Manhattan Project. <br><br>But the truth is even darker. Western forces sponsored the ideas and minds behind the Wansee Conference (Final Solution). The US refused to prosecute Germans for war crimes during the war, and restricted immigration – turning boatloads back to Dachau. Check out Nuremburg- it was a show-trial, a farce upon the world, led by the same men in charge of vetting the best of the Nazi scientific, medical, and tactical elite for refuge in US (estimated over 10,000 Nazi war criminals living inside the US during the ‘60’s). At one point there was even the staging of a fascist coup attempt that (if actually undertaken) would have forced Roosevelt to take orders from the businessmen or face imprisonment or execution, sponsored by the Du Ponts and the Morgans. This was revealed in congressional testimony after they tried to recruit conservative General Smedley Butler. Of course it was hushed up. Regarding that plot, in the suppressed and very important book Trading With the Enemy, Charles Higham wrote: <br><br>“Roosevelt’s state of mind can scarcely be imagined. He knew that in view of the backing of high banking sources, this matter could not be dismissed as some crackpot enterprise that had no chance of success. He was well aware of the powerful forces of fascism that could easily make America an ally of the Nazis …On the other hand, he knew if that if he were to arrest the leaders of the house of Morgan and Du Pont, it would have created an unthinkable national crisis in the midst of a depression and perhaps another Wall Street crash. Not for the first or last time in his career, he was aware that there were powers greater than he in the United States.” <br>(The next dimension to the picture is that in this case FDR was himself an elite playing a role, the role of defender of the common man, while negotiating the "New Deal", not with the common man but with the same big business forces that had - purposefully- created the great depression. So this coup had the effect of a PR tactic, possibly a stage show. And the New Deal was necessary to prevent a 2nd revolution in this country, but it was a forced compromise, forced on the establishment by the agitation of the CP and the populist movements of the depression era. Rossevelt married his daughter off to a DuPont, one of his suppposed arch-enemies and coup plotters, a year later). <br><br>Whether you look into the truth behind eugenics, the Final Solution, the late-Victorian forced-famine “holocausts” of 1896-1907, the Ethiopian “Live Aid” famines, Turkey’s killing fields, Franco’s death camps, Argentina’s “dirty war” (or Pinochet’s, or Fujimori’s, or Strossner’s, or Somoza’s, or Dubaisson’s,etc.), Indonesia, East Timor, the CIA’s Khmer Rouge, Haiti’s Tonton Macoutes, or Hussein’s liquidations, you consistently see the hand of the great financial houses, the meetings in Washington, the “kill lists”, the on-the-ground intel, the NSA intercepts, the arms shipments, etc. – in other words the direct support and leadership of the trans-national capitalist powers. <br><br>The reality is that the European peoples realized that the Partisans (guerilla fighters against the Nazis) were largely communists and the “Quislings” (Nazi collaborationists) were largely businessmen. After the war, they elected thousands of Communists and communist-sympathizers to all offices at all levels, including prime ministers and mayors of major cities. Almost the whole continent - excepting Spain and Switzerland -would have gone totally Red if it hadn’t been for the intense machinations of the OSS andf the various predecessors to the CIA. Italy, France, Sweden, Holland, and Belgium at the very least would have had a significant Communist political bloc if it hadn’t been for millions of $$ poured in under the Marshall Plan and various “democracy building” schemes. <br><br>Notably, liberal philanthropist and funder of the drug policy reform movement (among many other causes) --George Soros -- began his work for the CIA and the U.S. military-industrial complex at this point by organizing anti-Communist CIA front organizations, including getting the Corsican Mafia to beat up the wives of striking dockworkers who were supporting the Communist candidate in Marseille, France. <br>They funded christian-democrats, social-democrats, - even many anarchist candidates – anything to subvert the will of the vast majority of the people and prevent the imminent election of card-carrying communists to leadership positions. <br><br> Despite all that, Communists were elected on a wholesale basis, many of them to powerful positions, and they were given (briefly) a significant voice in the construction of the new “social democracies” of western Europe – leading to the nationalization of public utilities, free public education, nationalized health care, mass transit, strong trade unions, consumer protection, 40-hour week, child labor laws, and on and on. <br><br>Essentially, much that is admired in the countries of western Europe - and here in the US – has been the result of CP struggle. Incidentally – or maybe not so incidentally – these are the very same policies that were dismantled by the IMF-sponsored oligarchs after the victory of the U.S. in the Cold War, and the very same things that provided a strong social safety net to its entire population throughout diverse regions and ethnicities, and it is the absence of those very same things that is causing the terrible conditions in the former USSR and eastern European countries. <br><br>An pretty good book on this is Dave McGowan's "Facing the F-Word".<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
