Interview with Fintan Dunne

by **Qutb** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:13 pm

On his own site, by co-host Kathy McMahon. <a href="http://www.breakfornews.com/">www.breakfornews.com/</a> It's the latest mp3, for Aug 8. He clarifies his position regarding his "CIA fakes". He's not implying that all those sites are run by people working for the CIA or other agancies, only that they are in effect pushing distractions that are in accordance with what the elite wants the left to be preoccupied with. I think Fintan has a lot of good points. About the London bombings, he sees them in connection with both the G8 summit and also the Live 8 concerts, which is an extremely speculative yet interesting connection of dots. His point is that the third world debt issue was getting more attention, so it was "preempted" by the elites with the whole Live 8 circus, which was then interrupted by 7/7 which brought the focus back to terrorism. I don't agree with him about everything, but it's an interesting listen and he makes many good points. Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.

by **RollickHooper** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:19 pm

My very first, gut reaction to the London bombings was that it was connected to the G8 summit--not because of Third-World debt but because global warming was getting too much attention--and it was also at that time that it hit me that it wasn't just the big oil companies but the oil-producing nations that wanted Terrorism to be bumped back to the top of the page. It seemed the easiest, most obvious answer. But since I've been reading Rigorous Intuition, I'm not so sure anymore . . .

by **jamesredford** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:31 pm

Hello, this is James Redford here. Fintan Dunne has named our own Jeff Wells as well as Alex Jones as at least in some way being dupes of the globalist elite, if not actually being on their payrole--the latter named of whom in recent times has done more than anyone to expose the crimes of the globalist elite, and to expose their New Wolrd Order plan of a one-wolrd government and one-world religion. But it's not as if Jeff Wells and Alex Jones just plucked a rabbit out of a hat. Even the persecuted Hollywood Jew and playright Mayron C. Fagan was talking about in the 1960s how the globalists would create a staged crisis between the West and the Arab countries in order to usher in the New World Order. There's only so many ways in which to take over the world. One can logically reason as to which steps must be enacted in order for this process to take place. Given the elite's goal (i.e., the earth totally ruled by the new World Leader [a.k.a. the Antichrist]), there are only so many ways of going about achieving this goal. Thus, even on atheistic terms, it is not totally surprising that so many different people have independantly been able to outline the New World Order strategy many years in advance, and hence we are here to see that their analysis was true and is continuing to be enacted. We are living in a Twilight Zone world where Tommy Thompson, the former Health and Human Services Secretary of President Bush, Jr., is out touring the country telling the school children to "get chipped." Just to let you know where I'm coming from, below is my website, which is seriously in need of updating (as a number of the links on it have gone dead): http://www.geocities.com/vonchloride/ Everything on the above website is accurate, it's just that far, far more damning information has come out since I stopped updating it. And as I already said, a number of the links on it have gone dead. As well, I've learned since that time what I now consider to be good documentary practice, which is giving all the relevant publication data for a news article (i.e., the title to the article, the publication date, the authors [if named], and the news agency), so in this manner, even if the link does go dead, people ought to be able to find the article referred to. But even so, I think many of the dead links can be revived via http://www.archive.org . But for Fintan Dunne to accuse Alex Jones of being a dupe for the New World Order is a sick joke. How many times has Fintan Dunne appeared on Alex Jones' show? Why did Fintan Dunne not say something then? And in recent times, who has educated more people about the New World Order than Alex Jones? Yes, I realize that merely being the most influential person in a movement is not evidence that they are not being manipulated or are controlled. In fact, for most supposedly anti-Establishement movements this would be evidence for it. Except in this case Alex Jones always hits hard and hits where it hurts the Establishment the most. He speaks the documented truth about the Establshment (i.e., the ruling elite), and he doesn't let off. Let me tell you something. I was born in Austin, Texas, and raised just outside of that area in a place called Leander, in the Texas hill country. I am 27 years of age now. Alex has a fire in his belly--the fire of truth. Yes, Alex does sometimes make mistakes, but he goes out of his way to correct any such mistakes (far, far more so than any mainstream media outlet). And I don't agree with some of Alex's politics: Yes, he is for total drug legalization, which is right. Yes, he is for armament of the common masses, including those just released from prison, which is right. Yes, he is for private protery rights, which definitely is right. Yes, he is for the gold standard (as opposed to the Federal Reserve), which is right. But in past years he was somewhat ambiguous on, and in recent times seems to be pretty much against, arbortion rights (which, if you had read your Rothbard, you would know stem from a woman's right of self-ownership, and hence control over her own body, including the right to evict a full-fledged human being out of her body even if that means death for said human). And lastly, and indeed most importantly, Alex Jones has been for the idea of government (i.e., a state), which is a the gravest of errors. And when I say gravest of errors, I mean to say in all of history, and indeed all of existence. It is the ultimate error which anyone anywhere in anyplace can make. It is the reason for all of our social problems now--and I really do mean that, becaue it is the truth. But even given Alex's errors concerning political theory (which he himself is not that advanced in [i.e., compared to anarcho-capitalists], even though he is far more advanced in that area than your average American or certainly indeed far more advanced than a typical Marxist professor), Alex knows the general outlines of what liberty means, and he's headed torwards that goal. For someone who can't feel the genuine emotion in Alex, to feel that he is fighting for all his might to preserve and uplift bourgeois society (which is you and me), then I don't suppose there might be much that I could say to such a person to convince them otherwise. The last paragraph reminds me to say something concerning the supposed classes according to Marx. Marx stole and bastardized the idea of social classes from the libertarians (i.e., the original liberals, i.e., the genuine liberals, before the government's court-intellectual statists bastardized the original liberal's name-sake). The below article gets into that. As Prof. Murray N. Rothbard demonstrates in the below article, free-market anarchism is completely left-wing and liberal in its origin and its goals: "Left and Right: The Prospects for Liberty" by Murray N. Rothbard, Left and Right, Spring 1965, pp. 4-22: http://www.mises.org/fullstory.aspx?control=910 http://www.mises.org/journals/lar/pdfs/1_1/1_1_2.pdf *We* are the genuine leftists and liberals. The modern-day so-called "left-wing" and "liberals" are right-wing conservatives in the original sense of those political terms (i.e., supporters of ever more government power and control). I, myself, am a crossdressing faggot--and a damn good-looking one at that. I don't tell you this to be scandalising. I tell you this because I know many of you here are caught up on false dichotomies. You've had it drilled into your soft, grey-tissues since birth that the government is here to help you, and even if you do catch on that that is a total and utter lie you think that you can still reshape government to serve the interests of liberty--or rather, mankind, as you are probably more apt to say. I've been to the highest mountain, and I've seen the peek. I've plumbled the depths of existence, and remembered it when I came back. Yes, I know what the entheogenic experience is trying to tell mankind. I've reached Godhead, like so many others who were not able to recall it. The thing is, once you come down you cannot take the experience with you. Those who have been there know what I am talking about. But the fact is that you can take it back with you--so long as you make the crucial breakthrough. That crucial breakthrough is realizing that You are God. It's just that you've split-up parcels of your consciousness and made the divided parcels of your consciousness undergo a voluntary forgetting in order so that you could experience companionship in the universe (and hence love, discovery, conversation, adventure, etc.). It's all just You. You are all that exists, has ever existed, or will ever exist. You are the totality of existence, forever and all times. Now of course the conscious portion of your presently limited viewpoint is not the totality of existence, it is just an infinitely small part of the infinitely greater consciousness of God. But at the ultimate level, you are that greater consciousness, i.e., God. You are God experiencing and discovering Yourself. So here I will list the beginning texts that one ought to read if they want to be truly knowledgeable in the science of liberty: "The Anatomy of the State" by Prof. Murray N. Rothbard: http://www.mises.org/easaran/chap3.asp "Defense Services on the Free Market" by Prof. Murray N. Rothbard: http://www.geocities.com/vonchloride/marketdefense.html "The Private Production of Defense" by Prof. Hans-Hermann Hoppe: http://www.mises.net/journals/jls/14_1/14_1_2.pdf http://www.mises.org/journals/scholar/Hoppe.pdf "Fallacies of the Public Goods Theory and the Production of Security" by Prof. Hans-Hermann Hoppe: http://www.mises.net/journals/jls/9_1/9_1_2.pdf "Police, Courts, and Laws--On the Market," from The Machinery of Freedom: Guide to a Radical Capitalism by Prof. David D. Friedman: http://www.daviddfriedman.com/Libertarian/Machinery_of_Freedom/MofF_Chapter_29.html Additionally, see the below articles concerning economics: "Economic Science and the Austrian Method" by Prof. Hans-Hermann Hoppe: http://www.mises.org/esandtam.asp "Toward a Reconstruction of Utility and Welfare Economics" by Prof. Murray N. Rothbard: http://www.mises.org/rothbard/toward.pdf Concerning the ethics of libertarian anarchism, the below book is the best book on the subject: The Ethics of Liberty by Prof. Murray N. Rothbard: http://www.mises.org/rothbard/ethics/ethics.asp ---------- To learn about the physical aspects of God: To find out what some of the world's foremost physicists--including the world's leading quantum physicist and inventor of the quantum computer--have discovered about God, please see: "Demystifying God": http://www.geocities.com/vonchloride/learngod.html And to understand why acceptence of the known laws of physics requires acceptence of the existence of God, please see: "Why the Acceptance of the Known Laws of Physics Requires Acceptance of the Omega Point (i.e., the Physicists' Technical Term for God)": http://www.geocities.com/vonchloride/physicsgod.html See also: "Theology is Now a Branch of Physics": http://www.geocities.com/vonchloride/tiplerreview.html To understand what all this means for us here and now--and how it relates to religions--please see: "Biblical Scripture which Gives Evidence of Tipler's Omega Point Theory": http://www.geocities.com/vonchloride/bibleomega.html And definitely see also: Transhumanity Interview with Frank J. Tipler, November 2, 2002: http://web.archive.org/web/20021124063944/http://transhumanism.com/2002/tipler0201.shtml Read the below excellent and very informative article by Prof. Frank J. Tipler: "The Omega Point and Christianity" by Frank Tipler, Gamma, Vol. 10, No. 2, April 2003, pp. 14-23: http://web.archive.org/web/20031113125255/http://home.worldonline.nl/~sttdc/tipler.htm For the version in German, see below: "Het Punt Omega en het christendom," Frank J. Tipler, Gamma, Jrg. 10, Nr. 2, April 2003, pp. 14-23: http://web.archive.org/web/20040205030349/http://home.worldonline.nl/~sttdc/jrg10_nr2_p1423.htm --- See also Chris Langan's Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe (i.e., the CTMU, which is on the logical necessity of God's existence), which compliments Prof. Frank Tipler's work quite well (Prof. Tipler and Chris Langan are fellows of the International Society for Complexity, Information, and Design [ISCID] along with the famous Intelligent Design scientists Michael J. Behe and William A. Dembski, and on Chris Langan's website he lists Frank Tipler's work as supporting his CTMU). Chris Langan is known as the smartest man in America, with an IQ of 195. Probably the best way to be introduced to the CTMU is by reading the "ISCID Live Moderated Chat: Christopher Langan": http://www.iscid.org/christopherlangan-chat.php Here is Christopher Langan's ISCID page: http://www.iscid.org/christopherlangan.php See the ABC News transcript of the 20/20 program done on Chris Langan: "The Smart Guy," Cynthia McFadden, 20/20 (ABC News), December 9, 1999: http://web.archive.org/web/20000818083819/http://www.abcnews.go.com/onair/2020/transcripts/2020_991209_iq_trans.html Chris was also profiled in Popular Science magazine discussing his theory of reality: "Wise Guy," John R. Quain, Popular Science, October 14, 2001: http://web.archive.org/web/20011015064515/http://www.popsci.com/science/01/10/14/brainiac/ Here is Chris Langan's ISCID paper, "The Cognitive-Theoretic Model of the Universe: A New Kind of Reality Theory": http://www.iscid.org/pcid/2002/1/2-3/langan_ctmu.php And below is Chris Langan's own website about his CTMU: http://www.ctmu.org

by **Dreams End** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:37 pm

If Fintan Dunne is as knowledgeable as he purports to be, he would know EXACTLY how most of us would perceive the posting of a list of communists in the state departm....err....CIA operatives on the internet would be received. he would also know that "agent jacketing" is a rather old and established tactic of which he will now, quite rightly, be accused. I'm sorry. I know we shouldn't throw babies out with bathwater (that's whay I use the drain, instead...so much simpler) but his "list" disgusted me and I have no intention of visiting his site.

by **Qutb** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:47 pm

Hi James Fintan doesn't believe Jones is dishonest in any way. You should listen to Dunne's interview, he does in fact say that Alex Jones is right about a lot of things, but that his style alienates and intimidates a lot of people who would potentially be interested. And that he isn't very discerning. "Tabloid" is the word he used, and I have to agree with that. That being said, I agree with you that Alex Jones shows genuine emotion! I agree that Dunne's list was silly, too. Qutb means "axis," "pole," "the center," which contains the periphery or is present in it. The qutb is a spiritual being, or function, which can reside in a human being or several human beings or a moment. It is the elusive mystery of how the divine gets delegated into the manifest world and obviously cannot be defined.

by **slimmouse** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:57 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>I agree that Dunne's list was silly, too.<hr></blockquote> I used to listen to Mr Dunne quite a lot. his break for news shows, with 'no more corporate candy floss' blablabla ( other than the neem ads) After A while however, I found myself asking the question "What is this guy actually saying ?". For me, even back then, he seemed to spend way too much of his time screaming "shill" at all the other alternative sites, whilst himself simply spinning what could at best be described as a huge ball of speculation himself, and NEVER actually drawing any conclusions of his own. This was about 6 months ago. I can also remember thinking to myself that here was a guy who was actually telling us nothing that we didnt already know, and leaving us all ( or certainly me personally )even more confused about the validity of anything we/I did. Classic spook stuff if ever I saw it I thought. Needless to say, I had to chuckle when I recently saw his CIA list. Pathetic. But then again, perhaps its just that his numbers are down.