The American Turkish Council and EuroAsia

by **starroute** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 6:01 pm

Over the last couple of months, I've done a little looking into the American Turkish Council because of Sibel Edmonds drawing attention to it. However, the recent threads here about Eurasianism have thrown materials with which I was already familiar into a new light. I just happened upon a page at a Greek-American site which reprints an article by John Stanton -- who seems to be the major authority in this area -- with introductory and closing remarks by the site editors. <a href="http://www.grecoreport.com/American_Turkish_Council_US_Assoc.htm">www.grecoreport.com/Ameri..._Assoc.htm</a> Stanton's article says: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Pull up Net maps of Central Asia, the Caucasus, and Europe. Once you've done that, consider what political, economic and military activities (defined as US national interests) the United States has underway in those regions. It is no less than the development of a US-dominated New EuroAsia that includes the "Stans", Ukraine, Chechnya, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Belarus, Romania, Bulgaria, [The] Czech [Republic], Croatia, and Poland. Crazy? Hardly; it is a brilliant gamble. There are many compelling reasons to create a New EuroAsia with the US having the controlling interest. . . . Third, with WWII having ended a mere 60 years ago, US foreign policy is still very much in the hands of America's anti-Soviet/Chinese Cold-War Warriors. Hence, Russia-China encirclement remains part and parcel of US policy. US military outposts close to Russia and China's borders dot the landscape in the New EuroAsia. As Space Daily reported, US mobile missile defense batteries are likely to appear at these bases since CONUS based systems are doomed to failure. US military outposts will also allow quick jump off points for covert operations into Russia and China, interdiction of black market WMD and their components, and drug interdiction. Fourth, to compete against the combined economic forces of the European Union (EU), it is necessary to have a leveraging position in the New EuroAsia.<hr></blockquote> But the introductory section adds something even more interesting: <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Geopolitics, we learn, as a "scientific system," dates back to an Englishman, Halford Mackinder, a distinguished geographer, who wrote a book in 1904 titled, The Geographical Pivot of History, and another in 1918, Democratic Ideals and Reality. In these books, Mackinder argued that whichever power controlled the world's heartland -- Iraq, Iran, the Caspian Sea region, and all that vast territory east to Siberia -- controlled the world. Mackinder had a three-point proposition, which propelled German war planning in the years up to and through World War II, and which Thorndike urged Americans to take up: "Who rules East Europe commands the Heartland; "Who rules the Heartland commands the World-Island [i.e., Near East, Middle East, & Asia]; "Who rules the World-Island commands the world." Thorndike went on to discuss the pioneering work of Yale University professor Dr. Nicholas Spykman (1893 -1943), who argued that American foreign policy ought to be directed at preventing any other major world player -- whether Germany, Russia, China, or anyone else -- from controlling that region -- "no matter how friendly that power might be."<hr></blockquote> It starts to look very much as though "Eurasianism" is not a single thing but a struggle for control of the Eurasian heartland. The Russians have a major claim to dominance. The Turks (and particularlly the Turkish fascists with their dreams of Turanian supremacy) have their own claim. And the US is determined to assert control over the region by way of the 'stans.

by **Gouda** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 6:23 pm

Stanton is heavy, heavy de-population eugenic fascist. I think McGowan in one of his last newletters, points that out... NEWSLETTER #73 <a href="http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr73.html">www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr73.html</a> No time to review in Dave's newsletter if what i said is actually correct but I think I remember him nailing stanton on that.

by **starroute** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:21 pm

You sure? When I google Stanton, I find articles by him like <a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/stanton01202003.html">this one</a>, decrying racism and eugenics. He's also the co-author with Wayne Madsen of America’s Nightmare: The Presidency of George Bush II,, for whatever that's worth. Still, my post wasn't about Stanton, and his actual attitudes don't affect it one way or another. It was about the possibility that Eurasianism is a banner that various different factions are trying to claim in the competition for geopolitical supremacy -- and that this could be why we're running into so much confusion here as to who's on whose side.

by **Dreams End** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:38 am

The guy in McGowan's article is Colin Campbell, though he didn't actually write the article McGowan quotes, he simply put it into the ASPO newsletter. But back to the topic...you are surely correct... The US faction is led by Soros and his Opens Society Institutes...they have them in many countries now and he funds an entire university, central European University. His overt claim is that he wants these lands free of totalitarian rule, hence his activism. When very wealthy speculators start preaching freedom, however, the word "market" usually gets moved to the top of the list. The Russian faction is still a muddle to me. Dugin is getting lots of press, despite his occult background and overt past embracing of anti-Semitic themes. Of course, his perspective is related in New Dawn, among others. I'm not sure how real these divisions really are, but that's the lay of the land at present. Here's eurasianet, which is part of the Soros, Open Society Network: <a href="http://www.eurasianet.org/index.shtml">www.eurasianet.org/index.shtml</a> and here's Dugins "Eurasia" site: <a href="http://www.eurasia.com.ru/eurasist_vision.html">www.eurasia.com.ru/eurasist_vision.html</a> for any interested in "compare and contrast" exercises. Here's an interesting quote from national vanguard showing the American Nazi perspective on Dugin: <blockquote>Quote:<hr> For American patriots, the fall of the American empire may or may not be good news. It is natural for a patriot to want to support his government, especially when young men are sent in harm’s way, but ask yourself for whose interests our people are dying. Is it really worth the blood of patriots to protect free markets, a steady supply of oil, multiculturalism, military supremecy, and the pariah state called Israel? Others might like the idea of an American-dominated world, complete with free trade and a cosmopolitan, universal, materialist culture. We must remember that the American empire is far from “American” and our current culture and foreign policies have little to do with what is traditionally thought of as American and actually work against the best interests of the American people. Many so-called “Americans” might like to install Israel-friendly puppet regimes in all of the Middle Eastern states and are perfectly willing to sacrifice your sons and daughters to that end. However, for those Americans who dream of a patriotic America that looks after its own interests first and isn't hated by nearly the entire world, the sooner the American empire ends, the better. A new balance of power would truly be good news. <hr></blockquote> <a href="http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=2033">www.nationalvanguard.org/...hp?id=2033</a>

by **banned** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:54 am

""Who rules East Europe commands the Heartland; "Who rules the Heartland commands the World-Island [i.e., Near East, Middle East, & Asia]; "Who rules the World-Island commands the world." That almost couldn't be MORE untrue historically!

by **Gouda** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:58 am

Sorry about the mix up - it is William, not John, Stanton, I was referring to. Dave: "Several readers have written to inform me that the ASPO post quoted in Newsletter #74 was actually penned by someone named William Stanton, not Colin Campbell." William Stanton is a eugenicist fascist! Carry on....

by **dbeach** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 2:59 am

bush sr and scowcroft are pals ..scowcraft and wilson become pals... poppy o elevates wilson to Hero status and nobody connects the dots...Maybe wilson is in on the bush crimes... Bush sr sets up persons and govts for his own profit and then knocks em down when they are useless... Wilson knows it AND best watch himself cuz poppy o is the biggest four flusher in US history.. Maybe wilson is a good guy BUT my bet is running on the ruthlessenes of the queens viceroy and his many connections.. [really I think wilson is dirty BUT the thread is about that turkish council} "I remember when Bubba Clinton and Bush Sr. were doing their tsunami tour and good son Bubba slept on the floor so Poppy could have the bed. Ouch. That had to rankle Junior. Then Poppy invited Bubba up to Kennebunkport (site of Junior's DUI) to stay at his leisure. When I read that, my back went straight up. There is no way that a loadie like Junior didn't take that as an implicit criticism of everything he was and everything he'd done. Wingnutia may want to impugn Wilson shamelessly, but Poppy called him a "true American hero" and promoted him to the rank of Ambassador for the skillful way he handled himself in the midst of a very delicate and dangerous situation during the first Iraq war. Moreover -- Scowcroft loved him. Scowcroft and Wilson were chummy. They both sat on the American Turkish Council. As Wilson said in his book: We fell into an easy relationship and would banter back and forth about the new administration and its predecessors. After board meetings or other events, we'd often Metro back across town together. As the obsession with Iraq overtook many influential members of the Bush administration, our conversations turned frequently to the emerging debate on Iraq and the merits of the approach being advanced by the prowar crowd. Hallo! Wilson would pal around with Poppy's best friend and trash Junior" <a href="http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/4220">www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/4220</a>

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