The Price of Kinnock's Peerage

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The Price of Kinnock's Peerage

Postby antiaristo » Wed Feb 01, 2006 2:09 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr><!--EZCODE FONT START--><span style="font-size:small;">Thatcher faced disaster over son's business dealings</span><!--EZCODE FONT END--> <br><br>· Oman contract could have forced resignation <br>· Labour failed to press home its attack<br><br>Read the documents here: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 <br><br>David Leigh and Rob Evans<br>Wednesday February 1, 2006<br>The Guardian <br><br><br>Margaret Thatcher was poised to make a remarkable admission about a financial scandal involving her son which might have led to her early resignation, documents have revealed.<br>But the former prime minister never had to make the statement to the House of Commons because <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Labour failed to press home its attack over the issue.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>The undelivered speech focuses on the conduct of her son, Mark, during the Oman affair, a controversy concerning his secret financial links which dogged her premiership in the mid-1980s.<br><br>Politicians from that era say that had she made those disclosures at the time she might have been forced to resign midway through her 11-year premiership.<br><br>Inside No 10 she drafted a statement disclosing a conflict of interest over a construction deal she promoted in the Gulf state of Oman. Her son was secretly paid by the firm which got the £216m contract.<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Yet because the Labour frontbench let go their attack, the prime minister was never obliged to tell parliament</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. The scandal died away and she remained safe. Her undelivered draft remained a secret in a Whitehall dossier, until it was released to the Guardian under the Freedom of Information Act.<br><br>In the unpublished draft she admits she should not have allowed Mark to follow her around the world profiting from a British prime minister's relationships with foreign rulers. She also admits she knew that, during her official sales trip to Oman in 1981, her son was in the pay of the construction firm Cementation.<br><br>She wrote: "My son ... had a minor involvement in Cementation's efforts to obtain the university contract ... I knew ... the parent company of Cementation was one of several companies with which my son had a connection."<br><br>She also admitted that the Thatcher family deliberately kept Mark's financial interests secret. She treated her son's "business relationships" as confidential.<br><br>After inspecting the documents, one former Thatcher Foreign Office minister told the Guardian: "If [she] had declared she knew her son had a commercial interest [while visiting Oman], then I think she ... could have been forced to resign."<br><br>Lord Campbell-Savours, who as a Labour backbencher harried her over the Oman deal, recalled: "I was told by someone who knew that she considered resigning over this." She had "told cabinet members" about it.<br><br>The former chairman of the Commons public accounts committee, the Labour MP Alan Williams, said: "There would have been a major row ... it would have done her enormous damage."<br><br>The draft in the Downing St files is undated but internal evidence places it in March 1984, when the Oman furore was at its height after revelations in the Observer of Mark's secret business links. A confidential cable asks the British ambassador to assure the Sultan of Oman that "the prime minister has no present intention of using the statement and hopes that it will not be necessary to do so". The draft is heavily annotated in the handwriting of <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Robin Butler, then her private secretary, now Lord Butler of Brockwell</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. He appears to have helped her in the drafting of the more awkward passages.<br><br>Mrs Thatcher tries to portray herself as an innocent who urged the sultan to buy British but was in the dark about her son's activities. "My son is over 30 and leads his own life. He is under no obligation to reveal to me ... his personal or business affairs." <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Mark lived at No 10 at the time.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>The sultan invited Mark to join her party and she says she was surprised when the sultan offered "in confidence" to hand the entire contract immediately to the firm her son represented, with no competitive bidding. The Foreign Office said the sultan appeared to have awarded the contract purely as a "political gesture".<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>According to the papers, Mrs Thatcher concealed the sultan's private deal from her party</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, which included the ambassador, Ivor Lucas; when the latter found out about the contract he was puzzled, pointing out in a confidential telegram that a firm linked to Mark Thatcher had unexpectedly "scooped the jackpot". In London, Mrs Thatcher demanded that British officials provide unpublicised favours - from the taxpayer - to sweeten the Cementation deal. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>These included British troops at cheap rates to prop up the sultan, increased overseas aid to Oman, and pressure on a reluctant Treasury to grant soft loans to finance the contract.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--><br><br>Officials stressed that ministers had ruled that countries had to pay for military advisers in full. Mrs Thatcher scrawled on the minute: "I thoroughly disagree. This approach does us immense harm. These people are our true friends and we treat them badly by [such] trifling matters."<br><br>To get the "soft loan", Cementation executives pressured the department of trade. The DTI told the Treasury that Mrs Thatcher wished "to be informed" of the deal's progress. The Foreign Office noted her "strong interest in the project".<br><br><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The decision that taxpayers should underwrite the loans was concealed from parliament, as was the financial interest of Mark Thatcher</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. Mark Hollingsworth, Mark's biographer, said last night: "The information in these documents is extremely startling. If these facts had emerged at the time, the resulting scandal could well have swept her away."<br><br>A spokeswoman for her office said yesterday: "She does not comment on the release of papers under the Freedom of Information Act."<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/freedom/Story/0,,1699314,00.html">www.guardian.co.uk/freedo...14,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Lord Kinnock, leader of Labour at the time, will no doubt be seeking to help Gordon Brown assume the position when Blair is drummed out. I did not know that he had been so corrupt, for so long.<br><br>Robin Butler is the author of the Butler Report on the missing WMD. <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Price of Kinnock's Peerage

Postby antiaristo » Sat Feb 04, 2006 7:39 am

My God! She's still sucking at the taxpayer's tit.<br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Geoffrey Howe - the Tory minister who forced Margaret Thatcher out of No 10 - still has something special in common with his old boss, it was revealed yesterday. A gleaming luxury car and driver, provided by the taxpayer.<br>More than 15 years after leaving office, Lord Howe is one of three former senior Conservative politicians <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>still provided with a £60,000 a year official car and driver, alongside former prime ministers Lady Thatcher and Sir John Major</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://politics.guardian.co.uk/conservatives/story/0,,1702127,00.html">politics.guardian.co.uk/c...27,00.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>What's the problem, Maggie? Didn't Mark hand over your share?<br>How come YOU bailed out HIM when he got caught fomenting that coup in Equatorial Guinea?<br><br>When will anybody in the Thatcher family "stand on their own two feet", as you prescribed for the rest of us?<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Price of Kinnock's Peerage

Postby Darklo » Sat Feb 04, 2006 9:54 am

Kinnock and hife wife are complete slimeball scumbags, they have been slouching in brussels on £100k+ a year salaries, doing absolutley nothing whatsoever to clear up the corruption they were tasked to do.<br><br>They are a microcosm of an entirely corrupt system that sucks the lifeblood from the hard working people.<br><br>Kinnock, Jack Straw, Meddlesom Mandelson, Blair, Lord Falconer - they drive me nuts - how do they get away with it? <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Price of Kinnock's Peerage

Postby antiaristo » Sat Feb 04, 2006 10:33 am

Darklo,<br>Welcome to Rigirous Intuition.<br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Kinnock, Jack Straw, Meddlesom Mandelson, Blair, Lord Falconer - they drive me nuts - how do they get away with it?<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>The answer to that, as with so many other mysteries, is the Treason Felony Act, viz:<br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>3. Offences herein mentioned declared to be felonies<br>...If any person whatsoever shall, within the United Kingdom or without, compass, imagine, invent, devise or to deprive or depose our Most Gracious Lady the Queen, ...from the style, honour, or royal name of the imperial crown of the United Kingdom, or of any other of her Majesty's dominions and countries, or to levy war against her Majesty, ...within any part of the United Kingdom, in order by force or constraint to compel her... to change her... measures of counsels, or in order to put any force or constraint upon her or in order to intimidate or overawe both Houses or either House of Parliament, or to move or stir any foreigner or stranger with force to invade the United Kingdom or any other of her Majesty's dominions or countries under the obeisance of her Majesty... and such compassings, imaginations, inventions, devices, or intentions, or any of them, shall express, utter, or declare, by publishing any printing or writing, ...or by any overt act or deed, every person so offending shall be guilty of felony, and being convicted thereof shall be liable, ...to be transported beyond the seas for the term of his or her natural life.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br>As you can see, this law grants unlimited powers to our Most Gracious Lady the Queen. So long as Diana was alive Charles was not free to marry. If Charles wanted these dictatorial powers for himself he had first to be rid of his wife once and for all. I’m afraid it has all happened before (in 1936 and 1952) and not only with Henry VIII.<br><br>Then there's the attorney general's opinion on Iraq.<br><br>It goes on forever.<br><br>Which is why THE TREASON FELONY ACT MUST BE NULLIFIED.<br> <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Price of Kinnock's Peerage

Postby Darklo » Sat Feb 04, 2006 11:33 am

A common belief in the UK is that the monarchy is just a figurehead, in part I suppose becase the powers that are granted to them are never used, and if they were it would only result in a massive desire to abolish the monarchy. An own goal.<br><br>So are you suggesting that the fear of these powers is sufficient, or that their use is not reported (possibly due to D notices etc.)?<br><br>Are you also suggesting that the monarchy has ultimate power over the UK that they excerise? Personally I find that hard to believe, for a start they are just not bright enough.<br><br>If you are saying that elements of the government can use these laws for control, without reference to the monarch, then I might agree with that but still doesnt answer why I never have seen it used (although I may have missed all the incidences). <p></p><i></i>
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Re: The Price of Kinnock's Peerage

Postby antiaristo » Sat Feb 04, 2006 12:40 pm

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Are you also suggesting that the monarchy has ultimate power over the UK that they excerise? Personally I find that hard to believe, for a start they are just not bright enough.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>It is always a mistake to underestimate your enemy.<br>That is EXACTLY what I am stating. Not suggesting, but stating.<br><br>Victoria, Mary of Teck, Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon.<br>The greatest criminal minds in history.<br><br>Unfortunately we have ALL been brainwashed by the ritual.<br><br>Once you get past that brainwashing everything falls into place. Nothing special about me. But they ATTACKED me. They gave me a reason to work out what the fuck was going on. When I read about the Guardian challenge to the Act, everything, as I say, fell into place.<br><br>The point is she can do ANYTHING, and it is illegal to stop her. She can, and does, murder. And it is illegal to stop her.<br><br>Everyone plays the game "I don't know nuffin', mate" for that very reason.I'm lucky. I was a dual national (Irish/British) until I repudiated the Crown. So now I'm just Irish, and LEGALLY she can't touch me.<br><br>If you want, read the stuff in Data Dump (Please Do Not Post and Second Batch 2002-2004) <p></p><i></i>
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Lord and Lady Howe

Postby antiaristo » Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:45 am

<!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Geoffrey Howe - the Tory minister who forced Margaret Thatcher out of No 10 - still has something special in common with his old boss, it was revealed yesterday. A gleaming luxury car and driver, provided by the taxpayer.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><br>The focus of the story was Geoffrey Howe, not Thatcher. I suppose former Prime Ministers are allocated this perk for life. But the story was wondering why Howe as well?<br><br>I think I have the answer. If you look over on the Vampire of Finance thread and scroll down to my letter to Jowell, you will see that I copied Elspeth Howe. Here's why<br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Cut violence on TV and videos, say ministers<br>By Philip Johnston and George Jones <br>Wednesday 6 November 1996<br><br>SIGNIFICANT cuts in the levels of violence on television and home videos were demanded by the Government last night.<br><br>Ministers widened the moral debate prompted by Frances Lawrence, widow of the murdered London headmaster, to place pressure on programme makers, distributors and censors to consider afresh the impact of screen violence on children.<br><br>They opened a campaign on three fronts in response to "a mood of considerable public concern". Whitehall sources said this had been "given voice" by Mrs Lawrence's recent appeal.<br><br>Virginia Bottomley, National Heritage Secretary, said she wanted urgent talks with Sir Christopher Bland, chairman of the BBC Board of Governors, Sir George Russell, chairman of the Independent Television Commission and Lady Howe, chairman of the Broadcasting Standards Council, to discuss proposals to protect children and others from television violence.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/htmlContent.jhtml?html=/archive/1996/11/06/nvid06.html">www.portal.telegraph.co.u...vid06.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br> <br><br><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>Monday, January 25, 1999 Published at 16:58 GMT <br><br><br>Entertainment<br><br>Watchdog to attack Channel 5 <br><br>The BSC doesn't like what Channel 5 is giving viewers <br><br>The Broadcasting Standards Commission is to criticise Channel 5 for its policy of showing erotic programmes late at night. <br>The watchdog's chairman Lady Howe is expected to condemn the channel's use of sexually explicit material for its own sake on free-to-air television in a statement on Thursday. <br><br>She will add such material should only be shown on subscription channels, with explicit scenes on mainstream services restricted to documentaries and drama "within a dramatic or informative context".<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/262593.stm">news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/enter...262593.stm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>She was Chairman of the Broadcast Standards Council. That's one of the regulators rolled into Ofcom four years ago.<br><br> <p></p><i></i>
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