"From 'Spy' to Psychotic...

[Gouda]

The links Starman provided led to a lot of information. I had a little time to look through some of it - indications point to this woman being in over her head, wheeled and dealed by vultures, chewed up and spat out - She even refers to herself as a "useful idiot" in a NYT article posted below. Very interestingly, in that article, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>her brother mentions that Susan knew about 911 advance!</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> All this raises more questions than provides answers. <br><br>Lots of stuff: <br><br>* Starman posted the link to Daniel Pipe's Middle East Intelligence Bulletin (Jointly published by the United States Committee for a Free Lebanon and the Middle East Forum) They obviously saw use for her story to discredit the Clinton administration and to begin the demonization of Syria (how's that for advance planning?!). Though why did she use MEIB to publish her deposition? Perhaps they were the only jerks willing to help her, and she was indeed sincere in getting the message out. They note: "She has agreed to publish her email address, slndau@aol.com, along with this deposition so that journalists, researchers and others interested in learning more about this issue can contact her." <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.meib.org/articles/0007_me2.htm">www.meib.org/articles/0007_me2.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>* After the spy charges and her arrest, her family (Card) and former employers (congresspersons!) deny ever knowing her: <br>"US charges woman 'spy for Saddam'"<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3502776.stm">news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world...502776.stm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>* In fact, it is reported that <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>Andy Card turns her in!</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->: <br>"Former journalist charged with spying for Iraq"<br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://s-r.com/newstrack-news-story.asp?date=031204&ID=s1498511">s-r.com/newstrack-news-st...D=s1498511</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>WASHINGTON -- A distant cousin of White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card was charged Thursday with working for the Iraqi Intelligence Service, after Card turned her in to the FBI for contacting him in the weeks before the war allegedly on behalf of Saddam Hussein's regime…<br><br>The indictment alleges that Lindauer left a letter outside the home of an unidentified U.S. official on Jan. 8, 2003, outlining her extensive contacts with the Iraqi dictator's government in what authorities described as an "attempt to influence United States foreign policy."<br><br>Two federal law enforcement sources, speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed the home was Card's.<hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> *Finally, the NYT paints her as a smart but nutty, useful idiot & paranoid to the extreme. (Prepping us for later news that she is indefinitely incarcerated in an asylum?) Her contact from Lockerbie days, Dr. Fuisz, is also interviewed, and in my opinion, a deeply suspect character: <br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/29/magazine/29LINDHAUER.html?ex=1140325200&en=cef0f586b3f6893d&ei=5070">www.nytimes.com/2004/08/2...3d&ei=5070</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.florida-cracker.org/archives/001336.html">www.florida-cracker.org/a...01336.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>Select outtakes:<br><!--EZCODE QUOTE START--><blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>- <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>In a moment of crisis, it seemed, having just been fingerprinted and charged with betraying her country, Lindauer was acting the way a person might act in a dream, blurting out the constituent parts of her fractured reality into a waiting microphone.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>- <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>'U.S. intelligence knew what I was doing,'' she said when I asked her about the precise nature of her contacts with the Libyans and the Iraqis. ''You see, the thing is, it's very hard to have these relationships, and so, when you have them, there are people who are very interested in the fact that you have them, who also want something from them, too.'</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>- <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>A year and a half earlier, Lindauer contacted Andrew Card, the White House chief of staff, with letters containing what purported to be secret diplomatic communiques from the government of Iraq to the incoming Bush administration. Lindauer reached out to Card, she explained, because he is a distant cousin on her father's side of the family. She said she believed that the fate of the world depended on the sensitive communications she dropped on the doorstep of his house in suburban Virginia.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>- <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>One of Lindauer's earliest notes was left at Card's home on Dec. 23, 2000, a decade after sanctions were imposed on Iraq and a month before George W. Bush took office. Along with some of the transcripts of her wiretapped conversations, Lindauer gave me this letter to support her contention that she was working as a ''back channel'' between the governments of Iraq and the United States. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>The letter was addressed to Vice President-elect Cheney,</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>- NYTimespeak: <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>It is possible that Lindauer's account is delusional. It is also possible that Lindauer's account is accurate.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>- <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>For her part, Lindauer says that she enjoyed leading a double life, working for liberals during the day and hanging out with conservatives interested in counterterrorism at night.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>- <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Lindauer's decision to drive to New York and visit the Libyans, she says, was also motivated in part by her deep personal faith in God, ''the all-powerful, all-encompassing spirit'' that she had known since she was a child. After adolescent years of drug use and casual sex, she says, she found God again during the weekends she spent at the Victory Bible Camp in Alaska. The God she found there was not partial to any religious philosophy.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>- On Dr. Fuisz: <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>A dark-haired, handsome man with a soigne charm, Fuisz, 64, who went to Georgetown Medical School and did postgraduate work in medicine at Harvard, <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>was trained as a psychiatrist and has more than 200 patents listed under his name.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> According to its Web site, Kosmos Pharma specializes in making oral-drug-delivery systems. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>He has also run a modeling agency for Russian women </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->and worked briefly in the White House under Lyndon Johnson. During the 70's and 80's, he says, he did business around the world -- in the Middle East, the Eastern bloc, the Soviet Union.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>- <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>''I'd put it this way,'' Fuisz explained, cupping his palms like a collector presenting a rare species for inspection. ''She's daft enough that we could be sitting here, like we are now, and she might see a parrot fly in the window, flap its wings and land right here on the table,'' he said. ''But she's also smart enough not to necessarily say anything about it.''</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>- <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>''I am deeply proud of my expertise on international conflict resolution, and my regrettably extraordinary gift for counterterrorism,'' Lindauer wrote in a letter addressed to President-elect Bush on Dec. 22, 2000. ''I have identified a dozen bombings before they happened with a high degree of accuracy and a number of assassination attempts on world leaders.''</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br>- <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em><!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>John Lindauer, Susan's younger brother</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->, is used to his sister's unlikely stories -- about dating Arab arms dealers and late-night attempts on her life and her contacts with the C.I.A. A Harvard graduate, and now a successful commercial and music-video director in Los Angeles, he says he thinks that a strain of playacting and deception runs in his family...<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>One conversation John had with his sister in the summer of 2001 stuck in his mind for a different reason. ''So she goes, 'Listen, the gulf war isn't over,''' he told me over dinner at a sushi place on the Sunset Strip. '''There are plans in effect right now. They will be raining down on us from the skies.''' His sister told him that Lower Manhattan would be destroyed. ''And I was like, Yeah, whatever,'' he continued. When he woke up six weeks later to the news that two planes had crashed into the twin towers, and watched as ash settled on the window ledge of his sublet in Brooklyn, he had a dislocating sense of having his reality replaced by Susan's strange world -- an experience he would have again when he learned that his sister had been arrested by the F.B.I.</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->...Parke Godfrey, a close friend of Lindauer's for the last 15 years, is a professor of computer science at York University in Ontario. He says that Lindauer warned him not to take a job at N.Y.U. the summer before the Sept. 11 attacks. <!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong>That Lindauer's outlandish predictions actually came true, Godfrey suggests, further encouraged the exalted sense of personal mission that brought her to Washington in the first place.<br>- </strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--></em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><hr></blockquote><!--EZCODE QUOTE END--> ***<br>A bunch of links: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://www.jbfields3.com/journal/landlady/ll.htm">www.jbfields3.com/journal...ady/ll.htm</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br>By the way, her letter to Card, which we can read at: <!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://jayspolitics.blogspot.com/2006/02/susan-lindauer.html">jayspolitics.blogspot.com...dauer.html</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br>in hindight, is pretty damning in itself re: the administration's conspiracy to conquer Iraq no matter what. Also, who is this Jay guy, former Peace Corps and State Dept? A neighbor? <p></p><i>Edited by: <A HREF=http://p216.ezboard.com/brigorousintuition.showUserPublicProfile?gid=gouda@rigorousintuition>Gouda</A> at: 2/17/06 8:20 am<br></i>

[havanagila]

the more I read, the more it becomes likely this is MC, the split loyalties, the deft/smart, the context ...it sounds so familiar, it seems there's a new female prototype for this kind of operations (counterintel/political). There's a gender issue as well, emerging from between the lines. i hope she has legal representation and that whoever it is, knows something about MC. She didn't seem to have nice neighbours (from the accounts...)..which reminds me I just noticed a new neighbor in my floor, not next to my flat, but the one after. a young, solitaire, military types looking guy. under another situation, i'd be looking at him with some anticipation...(another unattached person, seems roughly my age). too bad.<br>anyway, i'll have to consider tin foils now :-). <p></p><i></i>

[havanagila]

another though of the newspeak involved in this case. she was probably - semi or un consciously - spying, if at all, against Iraw, FOR the usa or even another country, certainly not for Iraq, and then she is being<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> charged with espionage</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END-->. how clever, in a brutal way. this is becoming more prevalent, that brazen newspeak, not the usual lies, but 180 degrees lies, that leave the decent people with their mouth wide open. (same as the FMSF...leaves you just too stunned to respond, the audacity). <br>--<br>however, another thought. where are the people of the USA? this is quite a clear case of framing, and violation of civil rights...one would expect the minimum drill, protests, petitions etc. thing is, that since she is not a "clean" case, the human rights orgs don't want to get into it. that's too bad, cause it looks like it could be a precedent. In israel, I suppose in a case like that the left would gloss over the wierd stuff and make her a "peace hero" and rally the case all over, with bumper stickers etc. that's another good way to deal with it, although ideally the entire scam should be brought to light. <p></p><i></i>

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[Hugh Manatee Wins]

I'm bringing this back to the front page because someone posting at RI recently suggested that he/she had also been punished for something with a trip to a mental hospital.<br><br>Are whistleblowers getting imprisoned in psychiatric wards?<br><br>Claude Allen at the White House just got mysterious credit card fraud charges and faces 15 years in jail.<br><br>Is computer hacking the new way of discrediting people? <p></p><i></i>

[sunny]

When this subject first came up, I remembered a short news item on broadcast news in the '80's that caught my eye at the time- namely that Pentagon whistleblowers were being committed to mental institutions. Several people were making the charge. I didn't post about it when the thread first started because I couldn't find any info. I do so now only to make the point that this tactic isn't new. <p></p><i></i>

[Avalon]

Not meaning to hijack the thread with an off-topic post, but I'm answering a question Havanagila asked here that I hadn't seen before, about herbal use for PMS.<br><br>Susun Weed is an herbalist that I and many others respect. She has written a lot about womens' health issues, and her website is rich with wisdom from Susun and her associates.<br><br>As always, the fine print about medical advice from anyone online (Susun's version): <!--EZCODE ITALIC START--><em>Disclaimer: This information is shared with the understanding that you accept responsibility for your own health and well-being. The results of any treatment can not always be anticipated and never guaranteed. Consult your inner guidance, knowledgeable friends, and trained healers in addition to the writings here.</em><!--EZCODE ITALIC END--><br><br><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK START--><a href="http://susunweed.com/">susunweed.com/</a><!--EZCODE AUTOLINK END--><br><br> <p></p><i></i>

[havanagilla]

thanks ! bookmarked and I will read it. I am thinking of starting a little garden for herbs to cut the expenses of additives and such. this seems like a good source.<br>In the meantime, we are having big alert for avian flu here, I panicked a bit and threw all the chicken meat I had in the fridge. any<!--EZCODE BOLD START--><strong> herbal insights on avian flu ?</strong><!--EZCODE BOLD END--> <p></p><i></i>