Dark Vision

by **bvonahsen** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:25 am

Tuesday, April 11, 2006 Dark Vision <a href="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/">digbysblog.blogspot.com/</a> Digby's blog - found in the comments and thought it relevant here: -- " somebody asked me a question the other day.... i had other things going on. i post my response on this thread. i apologize if it rankles this board as much as such actions rankled the eschaton board. ban me if you are as censorious as duncan... concerning the ira, we know now that the brit intell services had a double at the highest levels. and this double was of a level where he would have been in a posiition to energize bombings, assassinations. subsequently, we have learned that the brit intell services had many more operatives within the ira. all of whom functioned as bombers and executioners. so as to effect their "cover" so to speak. hmmmmmmm. this sty is not getting much, if any, ink in the usa. oddly enough npr's atc did an interview with one of the doubles. it was a chilling rendition of his functioning as an assassin so as to preserve his "cover". it shouldn't take much of an imagination for you to muse on this proposition: the brit govt was running the ira. the preponderance of its bombings, murderings were done at the direction of the crown. agent provocateur actions intended to stampede the herd to accept the imposition of greater govt control. this is not unusual tactic for the crown. joseph conrad's initial novels could be regarded as history camouflaged as fiction. secret agent was a tale of the crown squelching anti-monarchist sentiments by agent provocateurism. this is often thought to be the first spy novel. he wrote another one with the same thrust...it's title escapes me for the moment. does that explain the brit intell services relationship to the ira for you satisfactorily? concerning usn seals and the training of terrorists. well, that is a black op that i stumbled into by accident. i must tell you that i knew of the oni task force 247 by that time. sy hersh had revealed the sty in 1978, i think. and joe goulden had written a book about it. though it may be forgotten, there is no question that in the early 1970's the usg was using its intell assets to arm and train terrorists in north africa[libya, algiers at the minimum]. as best as i can understand it, that program never was extinguished. reincarnated, refurbished after ed wilson became convicted and entombed at the federal dungeon in marion, illinois. the chateau d'if of federal prisons. ed became a man in an iron mask. now, i had this boyhood friend who was working for marathon oil, unbeknownst to me. in london. i was traveling into europe and the east block. succinctly, i was involved in supplying a critical component to oil industry prime movers. apparently his mom in conversation with my mom told her that her son was in london and that i should call him when i arrived in london. arriving in london, i checked into the dorchester and was shown to my favorite suite. and called my old friend. who immediately invited me to check out and move into his flat. i responded, let's meet for dinner....what's your address, i shall come up and we shall go on to dinner. he was living north of the london zoo, east of primrose hill park. now, my old friend was ostensibly an accounting auditor for marathon oil company. i sort of know what that job pays and how marathon would compensate for living expenses for that job. i can assure you, he was living in a flat that was way beyond that level. and knowing his family, he wasn't paying for it from some family wealth. he was living in a flat that in the early 1980's would have demanded the rent of close to $5,000.00/wk. 2 bedrooms, 2 baths, kitchen, dining room, large living room. approx 3,000 sq ft. exquisitely decorated[walls covered in silk, for instance]. this was no auditor for marathon. i moved from the dorchester the next day. as we caught up on the past, i discovered that he knew of my service in the usmc. and i learned that he had been in the navy, an aide to an admiral, cruising the coast of vietnam in a commintercept boat. immediately i thought him to be oni or nsa. both perhaps. i recalled that his dad had been oss in fujian province in ww2. when he told me that he had been in algiers as an auditor for marathon for 5 years before coming to london, i knew he was a us intell op. oil companies don't post amerikans overseas in one location for that length of time, normally. certainly not an "accounting auditor". clearly marathon was providing a "cover" for a us intell operative. it became more interesting....i left london and his flat for hungary. upon my return, i was informally debriefed. but i knew that i was being debriefed. and he knew that i knew. i think we are now into the days before ronnie raygun's assault on tripoli. we are having dinner at an italian joint in st john's wood. three individuals in usn uniforms enter the restaurant. seeing my friend, they come over to say hello. they know him well. i am introduced. one says, oh, this is your friend you just came back from ganz mavag. a big mistake. much hemming and hawing. they move on to another table. i ask my friend, how did he know that. he says that he must have said something out of school. hmmmmmmm. are you still in the usn, i asked him. no, i retired some years ago. several days later, i wake up one morning to find my friend in the uniform of a usn commander. i exclaim, what is this old buddy? i thought you told me that you were no longer in the usn. he replied that he had been recalled for a special op. and that he would probably not be coming back to the flat for the next few days...that he would be living at the usg facilities across from the us embassy at grosvenor square. and he departed. hmmmmmm. i decided to make some coffee. getting to the kitchen, i had to traverse the dining room. it was as if it had been deliberately left out for me. it was a book that was the roster of usn personnel in europe. the most interesting aspect of the roster was how few were in coastal or port cities. i concluded that this was a spook book. spooks operating under the cover of a usn uniform. what happened during those days that my friend moved to spook hq at grosvenor square? ronnie raygun launched f111's from lakinheath to bomb tripoli. killing gaddafi's daughter. and hundreds of others, i think. when my friend returned, i debriefed him. he admitted that it was a disgraceful action. and he admitted that he was a spook operating under the cover of the usn. still, i like the space, the location, and the price was so right. so on future visits to london, i stayed at his flat. and then there was this evening when he advised me that i was going to have to sleep on the couch. why, i responded. he answered, well there is a guy coming into visit london who needs a bed for a night. he gets yours. i thought it was going to be a marathon honcho. imagine my shock when a usn seal captain appears. in uniform. full regalia. i knew these kinds of guys during my time in the corps. these guys are murderers in uniforms. he stuffs his gear and changes into civvies. we out go to dinner. he drinks too much. talks too much. i suppose that the two of them think me to be secure because of my usmc credentials. what an interesting dinner. the captain[colonel] is on his way to the isle of lewis. he is coming from algeciras, spain. from the conversation, it is revealed that this usn seal is running a terrorist[sic] training operation that is using these marathon facilities as a cover. end of this sty. but there are thousands like them out there. so it goes. albertchampion "

by **Hugh Manatee Wins** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 1:49 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr>oddly enough npr's atc did an interview with one of the doubles. it was a chilling rendition of his functioning as an assassin so as to preserve his "cover".<hr></blockquote> I heard that interview. Since NPR is a part of the Voice of America family of state-controlled media, I took it to be a lesson to flinchy Americans on how nasty the world is and that being the nastiest one of all was the Right and American thing to do. Hence the need for our own Gestapo terrorists and torturers. Dirty Harry stands on John Wayne's grave and scowls.

by **blanc** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:46 am

isle of lewis = sra

by **friend catcher** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:57 am

An ex army officer I knew who has since died, said news of a bomb detonating in Ireland could elicit the genuine response of " one of ours or theirs". They also maintained a trophy collection of photographs ie dead IRA and torture scenes etc which Gerry Adams recently commented on in the Guardian, can't locate the interview just now. Many in the military saw NI as a training ground as much as a real conflict and hosted foreign forces for counter intelligence training. I never rated the tactics of mainland bombing as effective or intelligent (within the crazy logic of ' terrorism') as the state could absorb and use huge casualties for it's own purposes, and did. The change of tactics to bombing the physical centre of capital ie. the financial district of london produced results in a very short space of time at the tail end of the Major (remember him) govt. Many foreign financial institutions located in the city threatened a pull out which for an economy based on financial transactions and not much else would have been devestating. At the time Frankfurt was positioning itself as a rival to London as the European trading centre and this was taken as a challenge . Peace negotiations began shortly after. This was a dirty war so my brief synopsis clearly doesn't touch on most of the strands to this conflict.

by **antiaristo** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:45 am

bvonahsen, You might be interested in this. For the mainstream media it is pretty racy <blockquote>Quote:<hr>Enough of this cover-up: the Wilson plot was our Watergate It seems fantastic now, but 30 years ago there really was a plot to carry out a coup d'etat against a British prime minister<hr></blockquote> <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/Columnists/Column/0,,1731067,00.html">www.guardian.co.uk/Column...67,00.html</a> Britain ceased being a democracy in 1976 with the destabilisation of Harold Wilson. Every prime minister since then has been a placeman of the British royal family. They introduced shoot-to-kill in Northern Ireland under Callaghan, then extended it to England and Wales under Blair ("in response to September 11") None of this is sanctioned by parliament. It is all done under the auspices of the royal prerogative. The Treason Felony Act. You can read more about how it operates on this thread <a href="http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessageRange?topicID=3180.topic&start=1&stop=20">p216.ezboard.com/frigorou...=1&stop=20</a>

by **StarmanSkye** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:18 pm

WoW! -- Man, does THAT ever shake the brain tree; I don't know ANYTHING about UK's recent history during the 60s-70s (not that I'm very clued-in about things today) re: Wilson and his being brought-down by the intel services -- it sounds as if this may have been Johnson's retribution for Wilson not contributing even a symbolic military force to back the US's SE Asian play-- --quote Guardian article-- Prompted by CIA fears that Wilson was a Soviet agent - put in place after the KGB had, the spooks believed, poisoned Hugh Gaitskell, the previous Labour leader - these MI5 men burgled the homes of the prime minister's aides, bugged their phones and spread black, anti-Wilson propaganda throughout the media. They tried to pin all kinds of nonsense on him: that his devoted political secretary, Marcia Williams, posed a threat to national security; that he was a closet IRA sympathiser. --end quote-- MI5 HAD to know whether Wilson was a KGB mole -- it seems more like the US-UK linked defense complex via Pentagon and CIA spooks induced MI5 to plant the Soviet agent meme as cover to destabilize his admin. and compell his voluntary resignation, and from then-on making sure to maneuver and install hand-picked PMs that would fall-into-line and support the US's Realpolitic hardline policies. In this, the influence of UK defense companies and City of London financial empire had to play a commanding role, bypassing the public's tenuous handle on democratic institutions -- which as we understand has since devolved to investing more into perpetuating the story-myth of enlightened self-rule than strengthening democratic institutions. Certainly, an enlightening peek behind the scenes here -- would maybe useful (surely appreciated) if someone might tease-out and reveal the added significance of this tidbit. The comparison with Watergate -- well, was Nixon REALLY the popular People's choice for President? I think he was more a partner of the military-industrial complex which brought Johnson to power via the Mafia-CIA coup. Nixon served his masters well, but when the morass of war and the cognitive-dissonance of Vietnam War's contradictions became too great he was sacrificed as the designated patsy through the stage-managed stunt of Nixon's metaphorical falling (well, he was pushed) on the Watergate-sword of his own making (again, he had a lot of hidden help). The loose parallel here with Wilson (VERY loose) is a hidden Palace coup -- power behind the scenes. Nixon's fall-from-grace was a stage-play designed to fool the rubes into thinking the 'system' was working perfectly as designed -- legislative and judicial oversight reigned-in and self-corrected an intolerable abuse of executive power, a ruler who was disconnected from the public's will and that misused, misinterpreted and discounted good intelligence to pursue a very dangerous, single-track agenda (Christ, that sounds like TODAY!) -- well, the overwhelming anti-war public sentiment showed the true PTB that they overplayed their hand and lost control of the media and the message -- they fumbled the information-war's dominant story-line re: preventing the Communist falling-domino threat was honorable and 'right', and the just-war was winnable. The 'public' didn't really learn that much -- or if they did, they soon learned to 'forget' (well, again, they/we had a lotta help.) It seems EVERY place the US engaged in dirty covert ops becomes a defacto declaration (and site) of deferred wars. Da public has just gotta get a handle on the overwhelming hypocrisy and contradictions of foreign policy that underlies the fact the US state is NOT a functioning democracy. Starman

by **antiaristo** » Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:01 pm

Starman, I agree with you about the analogy being loose. There is a much better analogy, but Freedland is not stupid, and he did not want to go there. The Kennedy assassination. You lost your democracy when they blew his brains out in 1963. We lost our democracy when Wilson got it in 1976. The very same person was the intellectual author of both coups. Have you forgotten the MI6 man with the umbrella?

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